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Started by KatelynBG, August 15, 2015, 03:36:09 PM

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Jacqueline

Suzi

You may be on to something there.

However, be careful not to make a passive aggressive  thing. It would be easy to become that. Truly stay out of love and dedication to your vows? Try to keep the door open?

The difficulty is it leaves you fully open to the possible pain. However, I don't see that there is much of a choice unless you can put yourself second and cope. However, the question for your wife and future child would be how living with the person who is coping is? Is that something you are willing and able to do? Is that what they will want? Dysphoria and coping is both draining and creates some pretty negative reactions.

Communication is key. However, only if she wants it too.

Good luck, I hope it becomes more clear. There just seem to be only so many ways it could go with only one person making the effort.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
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KatelynBG

Quote from: suzifrommd on August 17, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
I hear you.

Can you leave it up to her? I.e. stay with her to help with the pregnancy until she throws you out, but refuse to keep your issues about gender to yourself. Dress, do HRT, work on your voice, anything you would do to prepare for your transition. If she doesn't want you, if it's more important for you to be out of the house than to help her, she can make that choice.

Hmm I hadn't thought of this. My gut says the second she catches wind of anything, she'll toss me out anyway. But maybe this is in some way a way to go. The other side of it is, I know I need to do things to alleviate the dysphoria, like dressing, getting rid of body hair. What if I get to a point where I am happy but not fully transitioned and I just tossed my family away for that, a situation my wife may have decided to stay for. Suzi's idea actually sheds that worry because I'm not the one deciding when enough is enough.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: KatelynBG on August 17, 2015, 04:28:18 PM
Suzi's idea actually sheds that worry because I'm not the one deciding when enough is enough.

Well, it's what I did. I thought there was a chance she would get used to my being that way and we could work out a way to make a good marriage out of it. But it took only a few months before she asked me for a divorce. It was a rough time in my life, but at least I never had thoughts that I abandoned my family.
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sparrow

My wife was more or less in control for the first year or two.  I lived in a state of shame, guilt, depression, dysphoria, oppression.  She lived in a state of fear and anxiety at the unknown.  Her forcing the closet door shut did ZERO good for her, and hurt me a huge amount.

When I took control and responsibility over my own actions, she started to see what was really going on, and the fear of the unknown evaporated.  She's started to say "I'm not a lesbian, I'm a monogamist, and my person is transgendered."
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JoanneB

Shame, guilt, and depression are great motivators to want to crawl back into your shell. For my  first few years on this road I had plenty of WTF am I doing??? meltdowns. Often in response to something about my wife, the overall emotional strain, causing even more depression in her, some off-handed comment. I'd grab on to anything to convince myself it was all the stupidest thing I ever did.

Through it all, in spite of her feelings, my wife, my reality therapist always said "Don't even think about stopping!". She would rather see me happy and alive then depressed and maybe dead. For her was seeing me finally blossom in a real, somewhat self actualized human. Something she always knew was in me
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KatelynBG

Nothing like a sick child to distract from dysphoria. My 5 year old has seen 3 ERS and her primary care for a mystery abdominal pain. She needed her daddy these past 2 days.
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LizK

Quote from: KatelynBG on August 17, 2015, 02:19:13 PM
I honestly want out now. I love her, but she can't handle this and stay with me. At the same time, she's pregnant, that's terrible timing. I can't just up and toss out 14 years of love right when she needs me the most. I feel like I'm staying out  of obligation and that adds a whole new layer of guilt and resentment.

Hi KatelynBG
I have been following this post from the start and one of the things I hear you saying repeatedly is that you have told your wife but she choose to ignore it. I told my wife 1 year before we were married (29yrs ago) I was a crossdresser and it has made very little difference in the long run because she ignored it and thought because I wasn't either talking about it or doing it then it must have gone away or not be a big deal. I have to take some responsibility for this because I have not been clear enough with her explaining what it means to me, again it was a situation where I have been learning as I go along. I really do believe that She still thinks that this therapist I am seeing is going to "cure" me by providing some kind of "magic" solution despite talking to her about the treatment model of making the body fit the gender to relieve the Dysphoria. Maybe I cannot bring myself to tell her that I really want to transition because if I don't it will kill me, I think its because I am fearful that she will dismiss what I have told her and not take it seriously like she has in the past.

If you are going to make this work for you as well as her and your child you are going to need to be clear and concise with your wife so that she is in no doubt about how you feel and how this impacts her and you. This will impact the entire family and maybe even worse if you don't deal with it. You can bury it, deny it, hide it, disguise it, run from it, loathe and detest it but it will never go away. It is not an easy thing for most wives to accept. But telling you she doesn't want to talk about it for 6 months is basically telling you to be quiet and suffer in silence till I am ready to listen...Love doesn't make ultimatums.

Sarah T
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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KatelynBG

My therapist has honed in on the spousal question as well. We spent the full hour talking about my relationship. She told me to calm down and let myself discover my feelings and long term desires.
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KatelynBG

Another wifely discussion. I explained that the therapist has confirmed a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that the only known form of treatment is to change the body to match the mind's image. I explained that it's not so simple for me because my wife and kids are everything in my life. She started to lose it and asked if I am like Bruce Jenner. I said I admire Caitlyn's courage but she's different than me. She asked me if I wanted to transition. I said, in a different time and place I probably would but that I wasn't sure losing my loved ones would make it worth it. She didn't like that answer and said, I need you to decide right now, me or transition.

And........ I........ really..... wanted.... to.... say.... transition..... it was right there, my heart was beating in my chest, I was sweating. All these forbidden dreams just waiting for me reach out and grasp them. The word was right on the tip of my tongue. I waited a half second too long and my beautiful 5 year old poked her head around the corner and said "I love you daddy." I physically felt my hopes and dreams collapsing in front of me. Looking into her big blue eyes I thought of all the good times we will have as a family and turned to my wife and said "I choose you."
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Dena

It is your decision and only you can make it but I don't think your wife understands how much pain she will cause you to feel in the future. If she does understand, that is even worst.
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KatelynBG

She doesn't care about my feelings.
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JoanneB

Quote from: KatelynBG on August 21, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Another wifely discussion. I explained that the therapist has confirmed a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that the only known form of treatment is to change the body to match the mind's image. I explained that it's not so simple for me because my wife and kids are everything in my life. She started to lose it and asked if I am like Bruce Jenner. I said I admire Caitlyn's courage but she's different than me. She asked me if I wanted to transition. I said, in a different time and place I probably would but that I wasn't sure losing my loved ones would make it worth it. She didn't like that answer and said, I need you to decide right now, me or transition.

And........ I........ really..... wanted.... to.... say.... transition..... it was right there, my heart was beating in my chest, I was sweating. All these forbidden dreams just waiting for me reach out and grasp them. The word was right on the tip of my tongue. I waited a half second too long and my beautiful 5 year old poked her head around the corner and said "I love you daddy." I physically felt my hopes and dreams collapsing in front of me. Looking into her big blue eyes I thought of all the good times we will have as a family and turned to my wife and said "I choose you."
And exactly how are you NOT like Bruce Jenner. Beyond the Kardashian thing and his/her FU money? I know I am almost exactly like Bruce, right down to living with a B-Cup for the past several years. Did he not wish he could transition, perhaps even on a daily basis, but for life circumstance cannot? For Decades? A lifetime?

I am not a person of letter (OK BSEE but I don't think that holds any weight). In my opinion the only known "Treatment" for GD is finding a means to self acceptance, emotionally, physically, and spiritually. Gender dysphoria is not a binary situation. It is very broad spectrum that resides between cis-female and cis-male. What any of us need to do to manage our dysphoria is unique, yet similar. Often a moving target as we slowly shed a lifetime of Shame, Guilt, and Internalized Transphopia which are all deeply a part of the being trans experience.

I twice experimented with The Cure, aka transitioning, in my early 20's. Both times an utter failure. Did that prove I was NOT trans? I sure wished it did. I resigned to self-identifing as "just a CD++" 30 plus years later I set on on the path of working on myself. Hoping to find inner peace, self acceptance of who and what I am. Six years later I am just barely scratching the surface having no idea for sure if all I am meant to be is "Someone who does what is expected of them", or perhaps someone who can hold on to a dream, a goal, and take on adversities that the devil puts in my path to get me to loose the faith in myself and who I have become.

Perhaps by "Transitioning" your therapist is using the same definition I do. THe one right from the dictionary, "To Change". Over these past 6-7 years I have changed, a lot. I achieved a lot of personal growth. I grew emotionally, spiritually. I slowly came to accept that I am trans, even embrace it to a point. It may have been a weakness. One that has caused many/all of my life's total disasters. It has also been a strength I tried hard for decades to suppress, not recognize, to deny.

When asked if I am transitioning I am hesitant to say yes. My meaning is not the same as theirs. I've been on HRT for about 6 years now. Have a body I am happy to live in in spite of it's other flaws. I am actually happy being me. For the first time I can actually feel it was ME that did all those amazing things I have in my life that others have been saying I do/did. Yep, I am transitioning. Transitioning into that whole, healthy and happy person I set out to become six years ago. I may also start presenting full-time as female someday. Maybe not. It still does not change the fact that in my heart, in my soul, I knew I was a woman since like age 4. What has changed is see her looking back at me in the mirror most days and not "That sad old man" I see less and less of
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KatelynBG

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KatelynBG

So normally I can function alright even in a dysphoric attack, but today at lunch I almost broke down. My parents invited me out to lunch and then turned up 25 minutes late (I get an hour for lunch). Then there was a young woman there who was very attractive. She was blonde and had her hair in a pony tail and she had very long bangs (like how I always imagined myself) and it triggered dysphoria just to be in the same place as her. So I sit down with my back to the counter but she keeps walking by and everything gets worse and worse. Then my parents show up and my mom is complaining and my dad is typically clueless.

While we eat the girl keeps passing by, except now my dad is very obviously checking her out, like a freaking ape. It was very disrespectful to my mom, the girl and to me, his son. I'm talking he turns around and watches her walk away type of obvious. And I just got so angry, seething on the inside, the damn testosterone. Then we get into this ridiculous conversation about leaving the toilet seat up. My dad is all like "the natural position for a toilet seat is up. Right son?" And I just go, "It's very disrespectful to the women we live with to do that." And he just sneered at me like I wasn't worthy of masculinity. It made me even more upset, realizing that this is a gender I literally have nothing but a piece of skin in common with, and coming from my own father.

All in all a very hard situation, and now I have to find a new favorite deli until this girl finds a new job.
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LizK

Katelyn I have been following this thread and there is something that just Struck me...when forced to make a choice between Transition and Family you chose family...of course you did you are not a heartless zombie...it is a really unfair choice to have to make and the other part is that you seem to think that you will be able to deal with your Dysphoria if you don't transition. How will that work?  You describe a Dysphoric episode at lunch an it was simply a waitress doing her daily job that triggered it. What happens if your own daughter starts to trigger it or your wife or neighbour? How will you cope year after year of these triggers and the aftermath of each. It concerns me that you are potentially doing exactly what I did and burying yourself for 20 years...it is not healthy for you or your family. Its a tough call and I hope you manage to find your way through this

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Sarah T
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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KatelynBG

I know. It's hard. I want out but my 5 yr old is sick and my wife is pregnant. I can't just leave right now. Interesting that you mention my wife triggering because her pregnancy has caused quite a bit of dysphoria already. My feeling is this situation won't last long and I don't think I'm going to be putting the feelings back in their box.
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KatelynBG

Today is not a good day. I am having obsessive thoughts about transitioning. It's definitely what I need to do but I am still trapped. I don't know if I can wait 2 months for this child to be born. I'm toughing it out at work but barely. I just want to go home and sob for hours. I simply cannot go on like this. Thankfully my therapist is seeing me tomorrow rather than the usual Wednesday appointment.
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Qrachel

Hi -

There's several responses here that really get at the issue.  As long as you deny who you are, for whatever the reasons, you will experience difficulties without end and possibly ending difficulties.  This is serious stuff and it's so powerful.

Believe me when I say their is nothing noble about suffering due to fears about how others are going to respond to the real you.  It nearly cost me everything and I was fortunate it didn't.  That doesn't mean that you create WWIII, but you can't be responsible for what others are going to do in response to you dealing with your gender issues.  Like it or not, they get to choose too and they will.  In some  cases they may have already chosen.  Yes, this is fearful and scary and that's why you need a therapist and support group - they will make a huge difference.

You only control you.  So please love yourself enough to honestly come to terms with who you are, whatever that may mean.  The "not being true" alternative is not the full life you so richly deserve.

Take care and love to us all,

R
Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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