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Do other people have this problem or is it just me?

Started by Elis, August 26, 2015, 06:24:07 AM

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Elis

I have some days were I'd love to wear something fem and pretty, have my hair dyed perhaps, have a girly earring but I can't bcos people then would see me as female, my dysphoria would go into overdrive as I'd look female and my hips would be on show and I live at home and have no money for girly stuff. So I'm stuck. I was actually talking to a guy at work about how we both like to be girly and joked about us having a girls day together when I move out by wearing dresses, watching a sad film and painting our nails :D. He happens to be gay (I'm not stereotyping gay guys) and said he always thought I had a gay guy aura about me even before I was out as trans  ;).
Oh yeah, to trans woman do you also feel the reverse of this bcos you like to be typically masculine?

Just curious as to people's experiences.
They/them pronouns preferred.



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IdontEven

This is really where innate gender (spectrum) and social construction gender (binary) collide, so it's a tricky and complex issue. Forgive me if I muse a bit, it's probably gonna get long.

My first thought goes to musicians, especially from back in like the '70s and '80s. David Bowie, Robert Plant, all those hair bands and stuff that totally pushed gender boundaries. As far as I know, and I'll admit I don't know much about what was going on personally for them, but they all were secure in their masculinity but seemed to enjoy exploring some aspects of femininity. Have you ever watched a Led Zep concert video? Plant was SUCH a chick, but he's still living life as a dude and doesn't show any signs of trans-ness that I'm aware of these many decades later. Bowie looked better in a dress and makeup than most of the women in my family.

Romans and Scots wore kilts (and whatever the Romans called them), and the Romans made fun of the German pants-wearers. High heels were invented for men. There was a whole time period where men wore really frilly outfits with ribbons and lace and wigs. Peacocking tends to be seen as a feminine thing in our society but it hasn't always been historically so. In the animal world it's often the males who have the pretty colors and stuff. Since humans don't really have much in the way of that sort of thing naturally then both sides get to do it if they want.

I think guys painting their nails is becoming more of a thing, and I'm betting it will become more and more so over the next however many years. Pretty colors are nice, dresses are comfy, sad movies are an emotional release. There are lots of reasons to want to do these things that don't necessarily have anything to do with innate gender.

The other option is the gender non-binary thing, but you said being seen socially as female would trigger your dysphoria so I'm thinking it's not necessarily that. Something to keep in mind though, as we're pressured to fit into neat little boxes and yet that's simply not how people work.

As for me personally I've experienced this going in the other way, no question. I was watching some TV show and the main character was all dressed up in an "old west" outfit that looked -really- good and I was like..."Damn, I'd love to be that cool". And it definitely tripped me up a bit as I'm still figuring out the whole self-definition thing (aren't we all).

I think it comes down to us bumping up against society's rigid definitions of which traits belong to which gender and good ol' internalized sexism. It doesn't help that very little research has been done on gender. Also the fact that the environment we live in is a far cry from where humans spent most of their time evolving makes for some pretty weird stuff going on.

If I could give a piece of advice it would be do what makes you happy and try not to worry about labeling it or rationalizing it or trying to figure out why. Easier said than done though, I need to work on this myself :p
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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HoneyStrums

Aside from angry outbursts, I dont realy hate anything I like that is "typically" masculin in terms of behaviour.

Infact I feel more womanly due to it.

Like other woman, I have to somehow justify my right as a person to do those things without letting it detract from my femininity.

But its other people that label my likes and dislikes as, manley things and womanley things. For me, their just ME things.
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paula lesley

I place no restrictions on my self expression. If I want to do it I do it. I have no wish to go back to the bad old days  ;)


Paula, <3 X.
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cheryl reeves

{ As for me personally I've experienced this going in the other way, no question. I was watching some TV show and the main character was all dressed up in an "old west" outfit that looked -really- good and I was like..."Damn, I'd love to be that cool". And it definitely tripped me up a bit as I'm still figuring out the whole self-definition thing (aren't we all)}

i liked the outfits gunfighters wore as well as the outfits the dance hall girls wore in those westerns..i've always been kinda neutral on what i wear,seen a few westerns where a chick was dressed in leathers and a duster and thought that was cool..
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sparrow

I've been stressed out lately about coming out -- to my mom, to my coathors (I'm about to publish a slew of papers, and I don't want to have this talk...), to my future employer... and, based on past experiences, I'd say that denial is setting in again.  I don't want to put in the effort, I don't want to draw attention to myself, I just want to hide under a rock... I don't want to be transgender.

So yeah, I get what you're going through.
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cindianna_jones

At home, I wear jeans and unisex tees. I only wear feminine things when I leave the house. And the change is usually to a feminine tee and jeans. I change into cute shoes as well. But I live in the boonies and it is extremely rare that anyone knocks on my door for any reason.

When I go into my small local tourist town, everyone dresses like a slob. Sometimes my "femme casual" is dressy in comparison.

When I perform with the cello, I do dress much more formally, all in black and heels.

Cindi
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