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Started by thorhugs, September 05, 2015, 03:01:00 AM

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thorhugs

I hope this is the right spot for this.

I needed somewhere to talk to people who I didn't know in person. That's always easier for me. I've been reading through the forums for a little while, and it's helped me overcome some of my anxiety. The idea of even mentioning anything to anyone nearly brought me to tears more than a few times.

Any way, my main stress is how do you know for sure? Before you even start to accept you may not be the gender you were born as?

I've heard lots of stories that come down to "I just always knew" or something along those lines. I've always heard of body dysphoria being major and obvious. But I know it's always different for different people.

Not only am I 31, but what pushed me into this method of thinking was researching for a project. I'm a comic writer and artist, and I was researching for a few trans* characters, and this little part of me started saying "what if." In the past few months it's grown into something that occupies my thoughts every day.

I've always had insecurities with my body. Both height (being incredibly tall for a girl) and weight (very much on the heavy side). But given that I can't even look at myself in the mirror if I'm wrapped in a towel or something, I'm starting to wonder if it's more than just size. Especially given that I've ever only been "okay" with the more gendered areas of my body. It's never felt completely wrong, but never felt right either. Which I've always attributed to my weight (my chest being quite small for my overall size) and generally not ever feeling attractive in any way.

One of the bigger things is if I try to dress feminine or wear makeup, that never feels right. I've joked before that I feel like an impostor or that I looked like a drag queen. I always assumed it was my height, or that I never looked right (I have really broad shoulders and a very Polish face). Or that I didn't know how to put on makeup.

When I was a kid, I had this wish that for people it could be like how snakes shed their skin. That you could shed your old body for the one you were meant to have. I have always attributed this to weight and awkwardness. But now I'm wondering if it was something else.

I'm sorry this got so long. This is my very first time laying it all out. I'm still very much in that "am I or aren't I?" mind-set. A constant back and forth of finding evidence for and against. Trying to separate general body image issues from what could be gender issues. I'm still a long way from even being sure enough to start looking into talking to a therapist. Mostly, I just wanted to share and get it all out of my head.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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Cindy

And this is a great place to explore you thoughts and feelings!

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Many people have doubts on their sexuality and on their gender.

And size body shape doesn't make any difference to how you identify. It is irrelevant.

Weight can be shed and muscles change on HRT, and heights? There are many tall girls in the world, the average supermodel is over 6 foot! There are lots of tall gorgeous women on this site!

So welcome, settle in and ask away.
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Laura_7

You could have a look here and the links there:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,194986.msg1737439.html#msg1737439

Just take the time you need... but keep at it...
its a process... but many have done it and succeeded...

well usually cis people do not question their gender, apart from a little curiousity of how it might be...

its your answers that count, so you might think about it...
try a few changes to hair and clothing style and see how it makes you feel...
and read a bit...

well concerning knowing... sometimes we read something, or hear something, that sticks...
and after some listening there is a feeling inside...

hugs
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thorhugs

Thank you.

I'm definitely going to keep reading.

As for making changes, that's where it's not going to be the best test. And I suppose I should have made it clear--I was born female. Due to my general body shape, I've been wearing men's clothes (mostly jeans and teeshirts), since high school. And my hair has been short most of that time, too.

One of my biggest arguments in the "for" category has been "Well, if I'm even considering this, it means something, doesn't it?" And you've confirmed that. Thank you.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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Cindy

Sorry Hon,

You didn't make it clear you maybe FtM! Welcome again and there are lots of guys here who can help.

Cindy
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thorhugs

My apologies. Referring to myself as anything has been rather stressful, so I tend to talk around it. Even when I shouldn't.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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Cindy

Quote from: thorhugs on September 05, 2015, 03:23:46 AM
My apologies. Referring to myself as anything has been rather stressful, so I tend to talk around it. Even when I shouldn't.

Here you are safe. No one, not a single member cares how you identify, we have all been to Hell, some of us are still there. We have one thing we want to do - Help each other.

There is no reason to be stressed here, you are whoever you wish to be, even if you are unsure of that.

Cindy
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thorhugs

Thank you. I needed that reminder. Anxiety + unsupportive family/friends + a bunch of stuff I'm sure a lot of people are used to leads to forgetting people can be accepting no matter what.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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V M

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Welcome to Susan's  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

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captains

Hey, man. I wasn't someone who always knew either, and like you, my sense of gender came about through a lot of 'what ifs' and emotional prodding.

For what it's worth, it's true that most cis people don't question their gender, but it's also true that you don't need to feel locked in to a trans identity. It's totally okay to dip your toes into the water and then back out. That was something I really struggled with when I first started questioning -- I couldn't shake the feeling that if I ever admitted to myself that I may not be cis, I'd forever committed. I was so scared I'd make a permanent mistake (even in just describing my gender on a forum); I was paralysed by it.

These days, I feel pretty comfortable in my identity as a transmasculine person. But it definitely took a while. My body discomfort and dysphoria wasn't obviously gendered -- I wasn't the four year old who tells their parents ''no, I'm a boy!'' Instead, I just had this pervasive disconnect from myself. I was physically reckless because I had no attachment to my body, and to be honest, I couldn't care less if something happened to it.

I'd find myself staring in the mirror for ages, wondering how it was that I looked so strange in girl's clothing, almost as if I was in drag. I was self-conscious. I couldn't shake the feeling that people knew I didn't 'look right.'  Later, after I began identifying as a not-girl (how I saw myself before I could come out to myself as trans) sometimes I would look in the mirror and I would see a pretty boy and it would make me feel so good about myself, but then I'd be crushed when, seconds later, I would remember that I was 'really' a girl and that everyone was seeing an awkward ugly woman instead of the handsome, albeit small and soft-face, guy I had pictured. I imagined situations where I would, through some magical circumstance or another, be turned into a boy, and they made me feel warm, then angry, disillusioned, and sad. 

Have you doing social experiments like registering as male on forums and playing as a male player character in video games? Or maybe physical ones like binding? That kind of thing helped me feel out my comfort zones a lot.

Welcome and take care!
Cameron
- cameron
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thorhugs

Actually, I've done stuff like that already. A lot, actually. 95% of the time, I choose male characters in video games. While I've never registered anywhere as specifically male, I've hidden my gender before. But the biggest thing is something I've always attributed to what I've seen referred to as "experience-taking." That thing where you get so wrapped up in a movie or a book that you feel weird when you have to go back to the real world.

I do a lot of writing, both for comics and personally. Sometimes collaboratively. And I'll get focused on the character I'm writing, which is almost always male (I've never felt right writing female characters). It gets to the point that I feel like I'm them and not me. And I always feel so much better about myself. I always assumed it was because they're usually a confident character or something. But it even happens with the non-confident ones.

I'm going to start looking into things like binding as soon as I can. But I first have to get through talking to my girlfriend about it. I know she'll be super accepting, the hard part is getting passed my own anxiety.

That feeling "locked-in" is really what has me scared. I get it into my head that once I step fully into something--even when not related to gender and things like that--I can't ever go back. I just need to keep remembering that it's baby steps, there's plenty of time to figure things out. And go back if it's not the right path.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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captains

It's scary as hell, I get you. I remember so clearly the panic I felt when I was asked my pronouns at some event shortly after I started shuffling my gender cards. I don't think I've ever sweat that much in my life. Saying anything other than 'she/her' felt so monumental, so firm, so final... but claiming cis girlhood felt like a lie and a missed opportunity to feel comfortable in my skin.

You can go back, I swear to god, you can always go back. But you may never have to.

Having 'low stakes' gendered interactions with strangers was really huge for me back then. I went to Starbucks and gave my preferred name, then left feeling like I had this amazing secret. I went trans support groups and used male pronouns, then never went back, because hey, who cares if I was wrong, they were never gonna see me again! I did this for literally years before I ever came out to people whose opinion I cared about. I needed to do it, tbh. It eased me in.

(ps: comics were one of my catalysts - and one of my great Gender Escapes - too!)
- cameron
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thorhugs

That's definitely something I've got to try. Push myself out of what I've accept for so long as "just how it is." Because I'm finding that's so not the case.

I stopped using my first name in a lot of stuff, when I first started thinking about all of this. I just dropped things like twitter and my email signature down to my first initial and my last name. That alone felt pretty big, even if I mentioned it to no one.

And I know that once I'm ready to start making bigger moves (IF I am), I live in a great city for it. I have a lot of friends I can talk to, and tons of resources. It's just a matter of having the guts to act on what's in my head.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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captains

That IS big! Congrats on the name -> first initial thing. That's definitely a step.

I'm glad you live in a supportive city and whatnot. That makes experimentation a little easier, when you're ready for it. I've got my fingers crossed for you.


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- cameron
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thorhugs

Thank you so much. I think tonight is the first night in a while that I'm not going to have this gnawing at me as I try to go to sleep.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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katrinaw

Warm welcome to Susan's thorhugs

For many its very hard coming to terms and determining who this new you really is, some like me knew very young, as in like 4... but for many reasons we supress it.

Often seeing a therapist can really help you determine yourself, its not imposing but helping you to see inside you and determine who you are yourself.

I was 5 when Dysphoria started the only girl in my family was a cousin, shared a bath with her, then I realised we were very different. That distraught feeling stayed with me till late teens, then nowhere to go, I conformed into my birth gender role. The longer I did this, the harder it became to unwind.

Reading the posts to date, I see you are already feeling the support and help, having somewhere to openly discuss, without dispersions being cast is key for many of us who are coming to terms with what we feel.
I wish you well in your journey and look forward to seeing you about the forum's.

L Katy  :-*
Long term MTF in transition... HRT since ~ 2003...
Journey recommenced Sept 2015  :eusa_clap:... planning FT 2016  :eusa_pray:

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Live life, embrace life and love life xxx
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thorhugs

It's really helped a ton. Thank you all so much. I'm already WAY less scared than I was when I made the original post, and it's only been a day. I almost came to tears writing it, and now I'm actually kind of excited.

I've been thinking a lot about what Captains said. About physical recklessness. And that really resonates with me. At some point, I just kinda went "eh, why bother trying to do much if I'm not going to be happy with it any way." But just going through the forums, seeing the progress of others, it inspires me in a way I've never felt about myself before.
- Colin Moore

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation."

I draw things sometimes

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