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Possibly a strange question - what is commitment when you are trans*?

Started by Cindy, September 06, 2015, 05:23:23 AM

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Qrachel

First, all commitments have the following processes that govern them: creation, maintenance, and change.  This can be made more complex but not much simpler.  Everything else about commitment is whether you honor it or not, and I'm not being moralistic with the concept of honor.  To honor a commitment is to keep one's word to it and when that doesn't happen to have the integrity to deal and own the "what and why" of ones word not kept.

This typically leads into a swamp infested with prejudices and/or beliefs wrapped up in morality, truth, and right/wrong.  This in turn accounts for much of humanity's fascination with religion, ethics, morals, culture, clans, clicks, etc.  (I have no issue with any of these in general.)  However, they do seem to be ever present when the worst poop in the world occurs.  I'll leave that branch of the human social commons to those who find it productive to use as means of . . . whatever, while noting how often often it involves deciding how others ought to live their lives with only one concern: That 'they the deciders' approve or minimally tolerate those lives for which they have little concern for but to exercise their desire for control.

If you aren't totally po'd by now or otherwise disinterested, then my answer is that commitments are artifacts of agreements we have made explicitly and/or implicitly with others.  To put it into simpler terms:  Giving our word.   

When it comes to our word, the matter is simple:

1) we can give it,
2) we can keep it,
3) we can honor it when we can't keep it by owning that are we unable to keep it and accepting the consequences both for the giver and the receiver, and
4) we can dishonor it by breaking it. 

Further, the circumstances of ones word do not define ones word.  Only the four areas noted matters as to how your word exists in the world, and any form of coercion applied to get, change, and/or break ones word invalidates that ones word has been given.  It has not; it has been coerced.

Rachel



Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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JoanneB

Quote from: Cindy on September 07, 2015, 05:25:16 AM
The reason for the question: for some of us our sexual preference either change or becomes accepted, as we become - us.
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How does your commitment change?
Oh... A two part question.

As I slowly figure out who I am with the little free time I have for that, I can say that how I thought about my sexual preference has changed. Sex has never been a big driving factor in my life. Sure during my peak T years life was a bit different and even more confused. Initial reactions to beautiful women was always envy. Average women thoughts went to I wish I could wear _____. But there was always an arousal factor. During my early experiments with transitioning there was an utter lack of arousal towards men outside of my fantasies. Shame, guilt, internalized transphobia, feeling like "some guy in a dress", plenty of reasons.

After giving up on my dream, I opted for next best, dating trans-women. Being one myself I knew how much the desire just to be a normal woman was. I had the desire just to be a normal(ish) male. Win-Win.  I had a couple of fairly serious relationships. If you count the utterly confused On/Off relationship with my wife, add in another three. The number of times I dropped out and came back into her life because she is such an amazing person.

Part of the breakup reason was her being such a free spirit, never wanting to be in a long term committed relationship. Especially in her pre-op days. While we were "An item" she had a thing with another guy going on too. So it was no surprise that after some 10 plus years of proposing marriage her acceptance came with a sort of pre-nup. Essentially the option for either of us to exercise the "Open Marriage" clause with it's strict rules of engagement. Mostly related to the age we now lived in of "Sex Kills" (I miss the good old days)

After dropping the T-Bomb we had talks. The old experienced hand at this had absolutely no doubt that in time my sexual desires will change. She still does feel this way. We've had some serious talks about the future and options. She is prescient. In time my sexual desires seem to have shifted from women, to asexual, to..... confused. Especially considering the dreams I have. Most times now I have no doubt I am the female lead (many/most they are third person). Many times I am me as a woman. Sometimes an out trans-woman (like I have an option???), or simply a woman. Not so simply a woman with a man in her life. Others even less simply a woman with a male lover in her life. So far, real life is mostly limited to "I wonder......" or "He is a good a looking guy I can see myself with him"

Does all this change our "commitment"?  In the words of the wise old sage, "It's Complicated". Any wonder I drink too much? Dropping the T-Bomb alone sure changed things. Nevertheless, we both have the desire to maintain "The Us" and our mutually shared hopes, wishes, and dreams for the future. All made more complicated by her immediate health needs balanced against my growing/blossoming emotional needs. I haven't reached a breaking point, and she hasn't volunteered to leave the planet, but to work together to get the help she needs. Hopefully the status quo can be maintained as we get through this crises point.

Afterwards? At some point in the future when I'll be able to get back to living part-time at the very least as female. perhaps daring full time with health/financial needs taking top priority, the open-marriage clause may need to get exercised. I've heard countless times already how much she misses sex. How she likes what men have and rubber is no substitute. Between age and HRT odds of having the type of sex she desires is slim. Plus.... some lack of desire to today. How much less will it be in the future? And it's not the asexuality speaking either  :o

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Traci New

Commitment is from the heart. No matter who or what you are. If your other is OK with different arrangements then it doesn't go against your commitment to them.  Just my 2 cents worth, don't mean to offend anyone.
You've got your mother in a whirl, She's not sure if you're a boy or a girl
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Beth Andrea


Quote from: Laurette Mohr on September 06, 2015, 06:13:02 AM
I would love one but feel that I'd be unworthy of one. Because once everything gets done that I want done I still won't be attractive enough to be worthy of another's love.  I don't want someone settling for second rate.

Being worthy of love has nothing to do with one's appearance, and everything with how much love you are able to give.

Physical beauty passes far too quickly to be considered in any description of "love."

Imho


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