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Started by Larisa, September 07, 2015, 04:38:26 PM

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Larisa

Okay so I was on this conservative facebook page. Im a conservative and libertarian and it was one I follow that came up. It was about the bathroom issue and so like these people start degrading transgender people and getting psycho. I go in to defend and they start picking on me. It got ugly and now they were starting to insult me. Calling me horrible names and than they started to call me a ->-bleeped-<- but also they were like "you a ->-bleeped-<-" to me. I got hurt but than was starting to get threatened badly. I deleted all my comments but kept looking for a bit when they came back to insult me more when after I was gone.

They didnt even know I was transgender or such but just guessing. It well bothers me and while I can take it, Ive never really encountered it like directed at me. People are mean and what makes me angry is one Im a person and all of us are and 2nd, there are soo many good conservatives out there and these idiots make all the good people look bad as  some people generalize.

I am feeling better but I wish I had not wrote anything. They dont even know Im trans and yet they verbally assault me.  I can't imagine how people in public deal with it. It's not anyone's fault they are trans. I wish I had been born fully a girl. It's not my fault and I didnt have a choice. It's just been bad.
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-May-

Unfortunately, there are people like that out there, anywhere.
It is not about where they live, what they believe in or whether they are conservative or not.

And writing something is better than nothing. Even a little stone will be followed by a big wave when you throw it in a lake. Reading what you think will give other people courage to agree. And in the end, you will see that people who insult and threaten others are a weak minority. And I bet there were transgenders out there who read and respect your post. o3o
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Beth Andrea

Shame them right back. To the "you a ->-bleeped-<-?" question I always reply "when I was a kid I stood up for the rights of blacks...and I got called a "ni**er lover"...are YOU one of those kinds of people, hating those who are different than you?"

Be sure to include the others in the accusation, "I hope you aren't like (name the idiot), XYZ...I've always liked your posts and thought you are intelligent and reasonable! You really aren't like (named), are you?"

Etc


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Beth Andrea

And always remember...whatever hate and filth you read online is nothing but something that is spewed out of a cowards mouth...99% of the people who are the most vitriolic don't have the balls to say those things to your face. Trust me, I know, I've been there and met those with the worst mouths possible...in real life they are timid mice.

Shame them, bring their friends in on their shame.




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buttertly

I just hate it in real life. 2 years ago, women were curious, now they are furious.

I'm always getting rudeness and anger.

Today, even a man could tell what I am. That doesn't often happen so I'm really down.

Does anyone find its getting worse?
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leacobb

The internet gives people a voice without a face, and because it does people feel they have the rights to say whatever they like. Even tho it is vicious and can spawn mis guided hate. Not just for the lgbt community but also with race. People can be horrible...
When i was 16, I started my transition and i was doing the RLT. I was walking to my brothers house for dinner and when i got about half way this car stopped and 3 men Asian men got out and started calling me " dirty ->-bleeped-<-" "->-bleeped-<-git" and so on then they ganged up on me and beaten me up pretty badly. I spent a few days in hospital.. Terrified me..
I had a dark outlook on people after that. I didnt trust anyone for a long time..
But there was one thing i didnt say..  When i was being beaten this old man came out of his house and got rid of them and he called the ambulance.

There are bad people in the world but there are good people too. And now i just focus on them.. So i guess we all need to just focus on the positives of our lives and everything else just seems that less important..

Lea xXx

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genevie

What did you expect on such a site? When people insult people on forums, I accept that the ability to be anonymous allows people's basic personality and anti-social behavior to have free reign.
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If only it could be now.
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katrinaw

Hi larisa, spent all my life sobbing my heart out on why couldn't I have been born female...

Unfortunately many people have never experienced the pain and turmoil we go through and are totally bigoted, parents, kids etc... and as said they come onto sites just to satisfy the inner satisfaction of cruelly destroying other people...

Sadly it does mean many times that you have to assess where and what you join online... most sites are safe, but unfortunately many times they sneak in, do the damage way before they are caught out, and, worse sometime they are goaded on to.

Lots of hugs to you and sometimes as you have done, bite your lip and get off... is there an administrator of the site? if so you could complain and say "there is a beast, who is harassing people on your site" may work.

hope you can brush it all off and forget it.

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BenKenobi

Not surprised coming from conservatives. Best to avoid them like the plague. And for the love of god, whatever you do, DO NOT name call back. All that does is get them excited to have more ammo to use against us. About how we're forcing them to accept a perverted lifestyle or how it's just a ploy to peek at women or touch kids.

TALK ONLY FACTS. Show them there is no reason for people to get up in arms, that transgender men and women have bodily functions too.
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iKate

Quote from: BenKenobi on September 08, 2015, 08:39:30 AM
Not surprised coming from conservatives. Best to avoid them like the plague.

Sorry but I've gotten hate from liberals too. When the article by Eleanor Burkett came out, some of my liberal friends used it to invalidate me at every turn.

On another forum before I came out as trans (I never came out as trans there), there were two other trans women. One of the guys there, an extreme liberal, (like really REALLY liberal, as in Barack Obama is the 3rd term of George W Bush liberal) started deadnaming and outing her. In fact every trans woman was being deadnamed at every turn. This was a ham radio forum where you they required you to use your callsign and the FCC keeps the old records so it is not easy to hide your old name (but it is possible, I'm just not saying how to do so publicly, because I plan to do it.) So it is easy to search someone's history.

Incidentally this extreme liberal guy came out as trans a couple of years after. Straight outta the twilight zone I tell ya.

Oh and four of my biggest supporters (apart from my mom) are hard core conservatives.

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BenKenobi

Barack Obama isn't liberal anyway so he's technically correct. Being as bad as Bush ehhhhh.

Also comparing ONE guy to an entire board that is actively demeaning her is just grasping at straws. Maybe once the conservative movement starts caring about social justice inherently and not just because they have a relative or friend, maybe I'll change my mind. But as far as I'm concerned, most of the most ignorant and hateful bile I have seen come from conservatives. The liberals mostly do it in retaliation because they're so sick of being ignored and have given up being civil
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iKate

Quote from: Larisa1983 on September 07, 2015, 04:38:26 PM
Okay so I was on this conservative facebook page. Im a conservative and libertarian and it was one I follow that came up.

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First of all, hugs. I know that gets said an awful lot around here but I mean it.

Secondly, I'm a libertarian, conservative and independent. I am really beholden to no political party but I lean more on the conservative side. I am a strong believer in things like the 2nd and 1st amendment and market forces fixing problems. I am also a Catholic. Yes, my church and I have some disagreements but I pray that God will help them come around.

I am a strong believer in the 2nd amendment and I help with activism and education. I am also a better shot than most of them, in that I can hit stuff at 60 yards with a handgun some of them can't even hit at 10 with a rifle. I often joke and said that I'm a transgender Annie Oakley, lol.

I am also somewhat revered by these people because of what I do for a living. I work for one of the more conservative leaning media outlets. (You can probably figure out which one). It's not something I advertise a lot but people know. I sometimes meet some pretty controversial and popular figures in the conservative sphere, and some of them probably don't know they are interacting with a trans woman.

Anyway, when I first came out as trans I endured a lot of hate.

Actually I never intended to come out, I was just going to disappear. But then I opened my big mouth and said I was going to Korea and needed a ride to the airport. Lo and behold, questions were asked and I spilled the tea. So I kind of got drawn into it.

Eventually I came out on social media with a new name and I burned my old one.

That's when all hell broke loose. One or two guys pretty much took to harassing me a lot when they realized who I was (most people thought I was my wife). One of them I kind of expected it since he's Jamaican and that's how they roll over there.

I got insults thrown at me left and right. Even two of my so-called close friends decided to deadname me and insult me repeatedly, despite telling him me over and over when I came out to him privately that "I have your six."

Anyway the insults I got primarily were:
"You look like a man!"
"No man will want to <blank> you!"
"If you cut off your <part> you still won't be a woman. You will just be a man without a <part>."
"Can't change genes, X and Y you will always be a man!"

That was the tamest of all of it. There was worse. I won't post it here but you get the point.

They also mixed in insults about Caitlyn Jenner and Fallon Fox.

But, apart from standing on my own and showing people that I am serious, I had other people helping me counter the negativity. I carried on, head held high.I carried myself with dignity and showed that I am well endowed with knowledge, experience and skill about 2nd amendment and conservative issues and that I am not a joke or a freak.

Eventually nearly all the anti-trans stuff just died down and went away. It didn't fully go away as people still tend to post offensive memes and such but the really bad stuff is gone.

You know what also happened? (Cisgender) women approached me and supported me as one of their own. Some do not know I am trans. Some do. I only told a few privately. I don't know how many have figured me out but I would be lying if I said that number was zero. One of them, a leader of a shooting club told me that, "We want you as a member and we support you 100%. Please join us." I attended their meeting and was hooked. They are some of the nicest people I have ever went to the range with, and it is so much nicer hanging out with a group of ladies than it is with a bunch of guys.

You know what else? I use the women's restroom and the same people that insulted me see me going there and don't say a word. Nobody is brave enough to tell me anything because I will tell them where to stick it.

By the way one of the guys who was a good friend and insulted me over and over is no longer my friend. Pretty much everyone hated his attitude after that so he lost nearly all of his friends. He comes crawling back on facebook to me but I told him where to go. That's another thing. I am not afraid to use the unfriend button. If someone decides they want to be a pain, I unfriend them. My life is too short to waste with negativity.

So anyway, my advice:

Chin up! Head up!
Don't let the haters worry you.
Look for some allies and stick with them.
Dump people who cause you grief, if necessary.
Realize that not everyone is going to embrace and accept you, but at the very least don't just sit down and take it from them.
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iKate

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Quote from: BenKenobi on September 08, 2015, 09:45:24 AM
Barack Obama isn't liberal anyway so he's technically correct. Being as bad as Bush ehhhhh.

Also comparing ONE guy to an entire board that is actively demeaning her is just grasping at straws. Maybe once the conservative movement starts caring about social justice inherently and not just because they have a relative or friend, maybe I'll change my mind. But as far as I'm concerned, most of the most ignorant and hateful bile I have seen come from conservatives. The liberals mostly do it in retaliation because they're so sick of being ignored and have given up being civil


I don't think it's right to bash any political group. I have plenty of conservatives who support me. I have a good few liberals who hate my guts.

Yes, there are likely more liberals who support me for being trans. But there is tribalism, which is why Caitlyn Jenner is getting a ton of crap because she's a Republican. I don't like tribalism. I believe in coexistence.

QuoteMaybe once the conservative movement starts caring about social justice inherently and not just because they have a relative or friend, maybe I'll change my mind.

I don't believe in the "social justice" stuff either, at least how liberals like to frame it, and I don't believe that just because I don't believe in it that I should be constantly attacked for not being a liberal. 

I think the more we realize that trans people are from all walks of life, the more progress we will get. If we stick to tribalism, forget it.

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Larisa

I don't want this to become conservatives better than liberals or liberals better than conservatives. That is what happened yesterday on that facebook page. My mom and dad are conservative and I dont even have to be afraid of them accepting me. My dad passed away 2 years ago but I know both my parents would accept me so that was never why Ive not said anything. I also work with people who are liberal. Both sides have good people on them. Neither side is fully bad. I learned that by reading something on George Washington and what Washington said about both sides have good points has stuck with me forever. I however do not want this to become about that, it was about how trans people get treated like garbage by some and that I have never faced it directed at me. It was scary.

It took me awhile to realize this infact up until 4 years ago, I didnt realize I had been trans all my life. All the dress up, interests, feelings like way more emotional than boys for example. It all came to me and it took me time to stop blaming myself that I didnt realize at say 5 or so. That it wasnt my fault nor anyone elses fault. I realized Im basically yes a Tomboy inside. It sucks that there are people on both sides that can't understand. I never asked for this. Im just waiting till when I pass, Ill be made into a girl in heaven. I dont sit around waiting but ya when I do die whenever, I know Ill be a girl forever in heaven. I try to be positive and all but when I see hate around, it does bring me down. Im soo glad you guys are here. Writing about it in a notebook does help me.
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RavenL

I'll admit a few times I've let online comments get to me. I've gotten told well

TRIGGER WARNING That I was to ugly to rape and  then another person said they would be more then happy to rape me.

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But as others have said the intranet gives people an excuse to act horrible towards other people on any issue. I've gotten into a few heated discussions on Facebook. And usually I win just asking them "Would you act like this in person?" And most of the time it shuts them up or they say No. In the end I've pretty don't care to read comments on things as it gets me more upset then anything and it doesn't help me any.






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iKate

Quote from: Larisa1983 on September 08, 2015, 10:45:51 AM
I don't want this to become conservatives better than liberals or liberals better than conservatives. That is what happened yesterday on that facebook page. My mom and dad are conservative and I dont even have to be afraid of them accepting me. My dad passed away 2 years ago but I know both my parents would accept me so that was never why Ive not said anything. I also work with people who are liberal. Both sides have good people on them. Neither side is fully bad. I learned that by reading something on George Washington and what Washington said about both sides have good points has stuck with me forever. I however do not want this to become about that, it was about how trans people get treated like garbage by some and that I have never faced it directed at me. It was scary.

It took me awhile to realize this infact up until 4 years ago, I didnt realize I had been trans all my life. All the dress up, interests, feelings like way more emotional than boys for example. It all came to me and it took me time to stop blaming myself that I didnt realize at say 5 or so. That it wasnt my fault nor anyone elses fault. I realized Im basically yes a Tomboy inside. It sucks that there are people on both sides that can't understand. I never asked for this. Im just waiting till when I pass, Ill be made into a girl in heaven. I dont sit around waiting but ya when I do die whenever, I know Ill be a girl forever in heaven. I try to be positive and all but when I see hate around, it does bring me down. Im soo glad you guys are here. Writing about it in a notebook does help me.

It's fine to be who you are, and that refers to gender identity and political persuasion.

Not everyone will agree on everything, and I would be pretty bored if we did.

Anyway, I know my post was a bit long, but it describes my experience in those circles. It would be different in liberal circles,  but the vibe I get from a lot of conservative people is that as long as you are happy, it's your business and none of mine. The gist I get is, "I can be happy for you as a friend, even though I won't fully accept your "lifestyle.""  Basic respect like name and pronouns is not too much to ask either.  Occasionally you'll encounter some real haters but you can skip over them and eventually they'll either cave or stay out of your life.
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