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First rejection from the wife was heartbreaking

Started by Bdgirl, September 10, 2015, 11:12:31 AM

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Bdgirl

So for the first time ever I went out in public as "me" (mtf, no hormones, no surgery) with the wife and my daughter. We didn't do much just had a bite to eat and had a drive around. I didn't try kissing her or holding her hand in public as I thought it might put her in a situation she might not be comfortable with. (She has only known I'm transgender for about a month, so I get she's still coming to terms with it and it can be difficult.) I'm fairly passable and no on noticed, or didn't say anything so there wasn't that to deal with which helped a bunch. But when we got home I told her I love her and how amazing she is then I tried to kiss her. She pulled away from me and said something along the lines of "I can't kiss people with lipstick and makeup." I then stated that I'm still the same person what does it matter what's on my face? She gave me hug and left the room. I was pretty heartbroken at that statement. Am I expecting too much too soon or was I okay to be upset by it?
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MugwortPsychonaut

Your emotions are ALWAYS okay. And it's, well, normal to expect to be loved by the person you married. That's why you married each other!

I'm sorry to hear you're having a tough time. Remember, there's nothign wrong with you, and you always have a right to your emotions.
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Bdgirl

Quote from: MugwortPsychonaut on September 10, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Your emotions are ALWAYS okay. And it's, well, normal to expect to be loved by the person you married. That's why you married each other!

I'm sorry to hear you're having a tough time. Remember, there's nothign wrong with you, and you always have a right to your emotions.

What a genuinely kind, lovely thing to say. I feel like I'm being silly by getting upset by it as it is entirely understandable why she might feel that way. I just didn't think she would've been so shallow about it. Thank you though for reminding me to feel valid.
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Qrachel

Each person has a journey to take including your loved ones.  Be as loving and open to them as you want others to be to you.  You have known about yourself for a lot longer than your wife.  Her reactions are likely to be intense because of the is.  You are ready (to some degree) to deal with your GID while she is still in the shock and possibly denial phase.

Go softly and take your time and don't read too much into each word, phrase, sentence, discussion.  Are you certain you were rejected . . . or could it be she was confronted with who she is, must be, will become etc?  This doesn't mean for you to shutdown either; rather, you are the one who is transitioning and you've might expect the world around you will take sometime to sort itself out.  Give it the grace and opportunity you wish from it.

In time matters will become clearer and life will begin shape itself to a new reality.  In the end and given the outcomes to be created, love yourself and others equally making sure you are respected, safe and whole.

Love to you and yours,

Rachel



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Trillian

I am in the same shoes, except going out in public. My wife is a bit distant about intimacy when I am in "myself" mode, and it is more than 1 year since she knows about me being transgender. She identifies herself as heterosexual, so it is difficult for her to accept being in an lesbian one.
While you are changing and finding yourself,your wife also has her stuggles and doubts. Even if she accepts you, both of you need time to rediscover your relationship.
So don't be upset about her reaction. Take things slowly, don't be too pushy, or she might isolate herself. Stay with hugs for now and wait the moment when she will want to kiss you.  And always try to talk and share how you both feel about the change, what you like and what is bothering both of you.

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Bdgirl

Thank you both for the advice! Both have been really helpful in trying to grasp the situation from her point of view also. I am trying to be give her as much space as she needs to adjust whilst still letting me be myself. She has been pretty accepting so far, this was the first hurdle and it was a super tough one. I need to stop letting my mind race and panic when a situation like this arises. The first thing I thought of was not transitioning and just being in permanent "guy" mode to save her from feeling uncomfortable. But then I realise that there are going to be moments like this that will really test our relationship. She's still here after a month of knowing and she still tells me everyday that she loves me (and means it). Thank you again for your advice. I may update later after we talk for a bit.
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Rachel

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Your wife has supported you pretty well, especially for only knowing you are trans for one month. Not only you but your family are in transition. It will take time and a lot of open dialogue for the two of you. How she is seen by herself and others and identifies is changing.

How you feel is how you feel. You can not ignore yourself and how you feel and how interactions with others feels. You do not have to believe what your mind sees all the time either. I know I have made things out to be worse than they are and assume what someone meant or said. When and if you go on hormones your emotions will be heightened and I have had to learn to be a little less emotional (well at least I try).
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Rejennyrated

I hate to say this, but the statistics speak for themselves. Unless your wife was bisexual when you started out together your relationship is quite unlikely to survive. A few do, but not many, and that's because for most people a sexual component is a normal expectation of a marriage and most people simply CANNOT change their sexual orientation - hence if your apparent gender changes then you immediately go from being mate - to best friend - and with the best will in the world most people dont want to be married to their best friend.

So being brutal - which from the perspective of being 31 years postop I can probably afford to be - you can either invest a lot of time and effort trying to force the impossible to happen - or you can accept what generations of trans people have often had to reluctantly do, which is that the day is probaby coming when you will have to choose between your marriage and your transition. There I told you it was a bit brutal - but I'd rather lay out the territory honestly than faff about giving you flase hope. You may be one of the lucky few - but please dont set your heart on it, because I hate seeing people crushed by disappointment. Better to set out with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Rejennyrated on September 10, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
I hate to say this, but the statistics speak for themselves. Unless your wife was bisexual when you started out together your relationship is quite unlikely to survive. A few do, but not many, and that's because for most people a sexual component is a normal expectation of a marriage and most people simply CANNOT change their sexual orientation - hence if your apparent gender changes then you immediately go from being mate - to best friend - and with the best will in the world most people dont want to be married to their best friend.

So being brutal - which from the perspective of being 31 years postop I can probably afford to be - you can either invest a lot of time and effort trying to force the impossible to happen - or you can accept what generations of trans people have often had to reluctantly do, which is that the day is probaby coming when you will have to choose between your marriage and your transition. There I told you it was a bit brutal - but I'd rather lay out the territory honestly than faff about giving you flase hope. You may be one of the lucky few - but please dont set your heart on it, because I hate seeing people crushed by disappointment. Better to set out with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised.
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Jenna Marie

Actually, the huge trans study (same people who are now re-doing it again this month, and I can't wait to see the results) showed that about half of all relationships survived, so the odds are really pretty good. However, it's only been a month... that's very little time for her to adjust. It's totally understandable that you're upset, but she *did* go out in public with you and she *is* trying to accept you, so she's trying. Unfortunately, this may be one of those times when you're both hurting each other even though neither of you  means to, because your needs and hers are conflicting while she figures out how to come to terms with things. I'm a bit of a hypocrite here, since I too went full speed ahead, but that experience taught me that my wife couldn't control her feelings any more than I could mine : some days she was fine, some days she was a wreck, even though ultimately she was 100% behind me. So give it time, and try to be understanding. :)

(We're still together and happier than ever, these days, but transition was a few years ago now.)
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Paige

I'm in a struggle with my wife.  Basically she doesn't want me to transition at all, "she's not a lesbian".  Anyway I don't know if this will change or if I'll just get fed up and tell her I can't do it anymore, almost 30 years is enough. I may have to say if she can't love me as who I am there's really not much point to the marriage.

Anyway I just wanted to point out that it's not just transgender people that are recently experiencing an acceptance from society.  Spouses of transgender people are now being accepted more, but there's still a long way for both to go.  I sometimes think that with my wife it isn't about sex at all.  I think most of it is feeling acceptance from the broader society.  I hope as society becomes more compassionate to us, spouses will feel more free to continue to love us.

Just a thought,
Paige :)
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JoanneB

For many many many years I relied on the occassional cross-dressing as a way to cope. My wife always knew about this and in time even stayed around the house when I did. The major downside of this decision of hers was for days afterwards all she could see was Joanne which was a major buzz-kill in the romance department for her. A little kissing was about it, after that it was No or I can't
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genevie

Perspective I've heard often: Your wife tells you one day she want to be a man. She wants a beard and a penis. And she would like you to love her and be intimate with her penis. How do you feel? Easy question. I know my answer. What is yours? 

I'm working on getting my wife used to no beard, smooth legs, longer hair and a decidedly more feminine outlook. Baby steps. We'll see where this goes. It is not just about me. I'm also a we.
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Eva Marie

Your wife has only been dealing with this for a month and she is still in shock. She will go through the stages of grief and loss and will think long and hard about this situation, and at the end of it all (or maybe before) she will make her decision about the future.

Like Kelly said the statistics for us aren't terribly good with this. I lost my own marriage of 27 years to my soulmate because of it.

Still, we have to be our authentic selves. Sometimes that can mean hard choices.
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cheryl reeves

i know it can be rough and difficult at times,but you have to remember that your wife married a man not a woman,this is why i dont transition or go on hrt. my wife is ok with the cross dressing but any further and shes gone,im fine with that,for thats why i didnt transition in the first place because i met her and fell in love,we are going on 27 yrs of marriage and ive been totally out for 16 yrs now and we are still trying to find balance...
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Cindy Stephens

     I am married (30 years) to a woman who knew before we married that I am transgender.  I had 2 failed marriages before that.  She is fine with it.  I have had full beard removal, and have been on HRT for 12 years.  We have always been discreet but not secretive.  We have no children.  What prevents my final transition is work.  I have a good job but there is no way I could wear anything overtly fem at work. 
     Now the reason that I bring this up is that you said you had children.  What would your job situation be if your boss ran into you en Fem and your family at the local eating spot?  The absolute #1 causes of divorce are money and job issues.  As understanding as my wife may be, I was willing to compromise on transitioning to maintain a modest lifestyle while accumulating a solid retirement fund for the two of us.  Have you though about or taken control of this item? 
     Your wife may not only be trying to absorb your personal changes, as honorable and legitimate as they may be, but also be concerned about the future of your children.  I grew up in an incredibly unaccepting era.  Today is better for some in certain fields.  But it is still be very difficult for most of us, I believe.  I would suggest thoroughly thinking through any money issues and address them.  If your wife and children are important to you, it may be in your best interest to find some form of accommodation until you can find a way to firm up the finances and/or maintain employment. 
     Marriage is a partnership, I believe, and the best ones allow you to get out of it what you need, while compromising enough so that the other gets what they need.  In business we call this a win-win situation.  I hope it works out for you, I hope it works out for your family.  Best of luck.   
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rosinstraya

This is not an easy journey with a partner. There's no set way to do things, and there's no guarantee of success.

All anyone can can do is to give it their best shot, and then make the (hopefully) right decision.
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Paige

Quote from: genevie on September 10, 2015, 09:59:29 PM
Perspective I've heard often: Your wife tells you one day she want to be a man. She wants a beard and a penis. And she would like you to love her and be intimate with her penis. How do you feel? Easy question. I know my answer. What is yours? 

Well for me, I'm not really sure.  I have the sneaking suspicion that if we both transitioned I would be fine with it.  If I had to stay a man, I think my dysphoria would explode.  His maleness would just remind me of my own, which I hate.

I would also hope that I would be very understanding.

Paige :)
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Everyotherone

As the wife of a man who is ftm I can vouch that it was a whirl wind of emotions. I was most scared I would lose my best friend. Luckily for me it doesn't matter what's on the outside only what's on the inside. With that said I honestly had to go through a period that I mourned the loss of being with a woman. My husband and I have been very honest with each other and talked about every emotion we have. Him just understanding or "hearing" me was huge, take the time to talk to her! Hang in there and always remember you are the same person you have always been! Good luck!


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Paige

Quote from: Everyotherone on September 11, 2015, 09:35:46 AM
always remember you are the same person you have always been!

I haven't transitioned so I can't confirm this but I've always suspected this.  I would be interested to hear from members who've transitioned if this is how they see it as well. 


Paige :)
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