Clarification please/Excuse me please

[Chrissy5946]

I'll start by saying, I just need help to understand some of the labels or statements regarding Transgender females like myself. I was waiting to ask a Gender Therapist I'm scheduled to see in a couple weeks, but it's killing me, here goes;
So I'm , Pre-operative, Transgender, female who id's as Bisexual. In a boy body. That works for me, it is what I am.
So, the clarification I need; when reading the "assigned at birth stuff " some people claim your assignment is your body type at birth. I do not agree, I was"assigned female at birth" not male, correct? I just received the wrong body for my assignment, any help would be wonderful.
I will get up to speed in understanding everything, thanks
Chrissy

[Isabelle]

Your assignment is what somone assigned you, based on your genitals. A baby born with a vulva would be "assigned female at birth"

[Cindy]

The expressions most therapist use relate to the gender that was assigned due to external genitalia. Many therapists argue that gender should bot be assigned until it develops at around 5 years of age. You may also hear natal male or natal female.

I prefer using XY female or XX male.

[Chrissy5946]

Ok, that's not my understanding of the term
I will wait to see this gender therapist for clarification.
I like my thinking/definition. I'm female not male, so my assignment is female. I know this is true as I have felt this as early as I can remember.
My heart, soul, brain trumps my physical body, that's my mantra. My brain is my master.
It could be why I have the strength to see past my physical body, and embrace and adore myself as female
Chrissy

[kelly_aus]

Ok, that's not my understanding of the term
I will wait to see this gender therapist for clarification.
I like my thinking/definition. I'm female not male, so my assignment is female. I know this is true as I have felt this as early as I can remember.
My heart, soul, brain trumps my physical body, that's my mantra. My brain is my master.
Chrissy

Think of it this way.. At birth, the doctor 'assigned you as male' based entirely on the genitals you had, hence the label 'assigned male at birth'. The basics being, your are gendered at birth without you having any input, based purely on your genitals. What you actually ID as is another story entirely.

[Rejennyrated]

Ok, that's not my understanding of the term
I will wait to see this gender therapist for clarification.
I like my thinking/definition. I'm female not male, so my assignment is female. I know this is true as I have felt this as early as I can remember.
My heart, soul, brain trumps my physical body, that's my mantra. My brain is my master.
It could be why I have the strength to see past my physical body, and embrace and adore myself as female
Chrissy

Unfortunately however you don't get to define what the term means, its a medical classification and thus we, the medical profession do!

And the way we define it is that what you are assigned at birth is what WE can see when we first look at you in the delivery room, because we can't ask you at age zero how you feel inside. Believe me I've been in a delivery room and I know!

So male assigned at birth means someone with a penis IRRESPECTIVE of what they feel like.
Female assigned at birth means someone with a Vulva IRRESPECTIVE of what they feel like.

Now I completely understand your use of the terminology and I can see why it makes sense to you, but this is a medical classification and like I say, the patient does not get to define the meaning of that. We the doctors and medical students do, because the terms are meant to allow us to understand the physical attributes of a patient that we have not yet seen. hence they do not encompass internal identity, because until we can talk to you in a consultation we cannot know that!

I trust that is sufficiently clear. I am afraid it is not really something that there is much scope for any debate over.

[Asche]

I prefer using XY female or XX male.

This is confusing.  I thought we were talking about the sex classification assigned at birth, not chromosomes.

"XY female" would normally mean a person with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.  There's also "XX male syndrome".

I don't think the OP was talking about them.

Most people do not know whether they are XX, XY, or some other chromosome configuration, anyway.

[Asche]

Unfortunately however you don't get to define what the term means, its a medical classification and thus we, the medical profession do!

More to the point, "assigned female at birth" has a meaning which is generally agreed upon by not only the medical profession, but by pretty much everyone who discusses gender issues.  In fact, from what I can see, the term was invented to avoid conflating the sex that got put on your birth certificate with the gender you feel you are.  (There's also chromosome configuration and internal anatomy, which also can be rather different from what someone might assume from the sex you were assigned at birth.)

You can choose to use the term differently if you want, but you will just confuse everybody if you do.

[Chrissy5946]

Well, I respect the medical profffesionals and students, you go by the book you read.
They (doctors) got it wrong with me at birth then. I do not hold them responsible, like you said it's only what they see, they don't have the other sence to really know my gender.
I'm clear now, I was told by one if my doctors I was " assigned female at birth" he did not ask me to drop my pants to see, so I guess he just got confused.
So, then I'm " assigned male at birth" but actually female? How do I tell people accurately my label or status??
Very confusing, thankfully I'm seeing a expert gender therapist in about a month, I hope he help me get this clarified
Love you,
Chrissy

[Chrissy5946]

I'm going to rant one last time, and hopefully the Moderators will squash this post.
I lived my whole life a gender I was not, I did OK, but think about how different my life would have been. In my day... 60's, I would have most likely been carted off to a mental hospital I suspect.
I'm not needing sympathy, I love myself, always have. I'm a person who needs to be clear. Tell me to my face, look me in the eyes, and be honest.
Thankfully the young ones now are more equipped to deal, and help is out there.
So, I have male body, but I feel and desire to be female, why???
Remember, I was "assigned male at birth" ".......

[Serenation]

You are in male body but have female gender. Your birth certificate will say male, you would have been given a male name. If you transition you will be classified a male to female.

You just have to accept that is how it is no matter what you feel. You can ask your therapist and have them tell you what everyone here has told you or you can argue with your therapist at your own detriment.

[Ms Grace]

So, I have male body, but I feel and desire to be female, why???
Remember, I was "assigned male at birth" ".......

It's not for me to tell you - but that's a pretty clear definition of being transgender. Is "being transgender" a biological condition, a psychological condition, a social/cultural issue, all of the above in various mixtures, something else all together - I'll let you know after I've done a PhD or something brainy. All I can tell you, I felt much better about myself, my identified gender, my transition when I decided to stop getting hung up on labels and trying to understand it.

[Chrissy5946]

Thank you Ms Grace, I working towards that goal.


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[AnonyMs]

I'm a little confused by this, but I'll have a go anyway.

These labels are the words we use to communicate. If you don't use the same meanings as everyone else you can't communicate with them. I don't think it productive to try to change what they mean, at least I wouldn't as I have too many other problems to get though. The trick then is to find what other words there are to communicate with.

So, I have male body, but I feel and desire to be female, why???

Good question. I've given up on finding out, and decided it doesn't actually matter. I know what to do about it and that's all I really care about anymore.

[Chrissy5946]

After sleep, it dawned on me,
So I can look at 2 ways, I'm just trying to get to a place.. So I'm accurate, Im accepting my gender assignment, there no fight there for me. I'm all in female (gender).
I have a "medical" assignment and a "gender" assignment, pretty clear, they just don't match, well that's pretty simple.
ThankYou all for your comments
Love you all
Chrissy

[Rejennyrated]

After sleep, it dawned on me,
So I can look at 2 ways, I'm just trying to get to a place.. So I'm accurate, Im accepting my gender assignment, there no fight there for me. I'm all in female (gender).
I have a "medical" assignment and a "gender" assignment, pretty clear, they just don't match, well that's pretty simple.
ThankYou all for your comments
Love you all
Chrissy

Bingo! You got it exactly!