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Started by Goat, October 02, 2015, 05:23:48 AM

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Goat

Hello everyone! ^^

I am currently 25 I haven't transition yet but I was wondering How do people treat you now you identify as a woman? Do Men/Women treat you differently than before and if so, how so?

I think I would be a tomboy due to my interests but would dress femme some of the times. I also don't mind who my friends are either, men or women I don't feel the need to hang out with all men or all women. I only have a few friends due to the fact that I suffer from ME/CFS which makes me anti-social as I can't go out most of the time. Where can I meet other trans people to make friends? (In the U.K)
Also can you pass without makeup?

How is love different now you have transitioned? Is it harder for you to find love? I was wondering how much harder would it be love wise to find a girlfriend if I transitioned.

Sorry to ask this but how has it effected libido, orgasms ect... as I have a highish libido and I kind of like it, how does it change as this is one big doubt that is preventing me from taking hormones. (If you don't want to answer this that's okay) Most of the time I can wear women's clothes without getting aroused but if another girl that I'm attracted too calls me a girl or jokes about me wearing women's clothes or says i'm sensitive like a women ect... turns me on and the thought of being a girl turns me on and I usually do the nasty which confuses me and makes me wonder if I should transition.

I am waiting to see a gender therapists, I was just wondering what your experience was like?

Sorry for all the questions. Thank you to anyone that replays!!! : )

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Allison Wunderland

Yes to all of the above, more or less. It's complicated.

"Arousal" is an outdated diagnostic criteria. Living in the presentation most comfortable can get exciting! But we're sexually attracted to cis-F, wanna be female. And so it becomes about sex AND gender too, back and forth, at the same time.

Initially, crossing gender dressing is like a costume. Very much a sex-object fetish. I finally figured out it's not costume, not disguise. These have become my clothes, my style, my presentation. This has become me, not an alter-ID.

I don't get to dress the fetish ideal (Nicole Kidmann), but I can dress appropriate for who I am, what style works for me -- "mannish woman, stylish."

-- OR . . . "hippie bohemian biker, stylish."

Done seamlessy, gender presentation should be intrinsic to one's being, unaffected.

Not a costume.
"Let us appropriate & subvert the semiotic hegemony of the hetero-normative dyad."

"My performativity has changed since reading Dr. Judith Butler, Ph.D., Berkeley."
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audreelyn

Since undergoing HRT, my libido has gone down significantly--I also don't deal with erections as often as before; many times a day that is!

Now, I am comfortable and happy not having to deal with sex on my brain--which can often be distracting like when I'm at work and trying to focus on a task.

That being said, not everyone likes having a lowered libido. If you're not entirely sure either, I think speaking with the psychiatrist is the best first step for you. A guiding professional may just ask all the right questions for you to understand what the next step is.

For me, I've known since I was a child that I wasn't in the right body--but for you, this experience might be entirely different. I hope this helped & best wishes :)

Audree
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JoanneB

"It's Complicated" is the best way to sum it all up. During this journey of discovery, hopefully, two distinct events are occuring. The first most obvious one is how you are presenting yourself to the world. The second, and as I learned first hand most important, is how you think of yourself. Which in turns changes how you move about in your world in hundreds of ways.

I think people treat me differently now because I treat me differently now which changed how I interact with others. There is some difference between being out in female mode vs male which I primarily present as these days. But nothing at all like the difference between coming to terms with being being trans vs trying with all my heart and will to beat it down or otherwise suppress it.

There is a stark difference between my earlier experiments with transitioning 30 years ago. Back then I essentially never shook that "Some guy in a dress" feeling. I bore the weight of all the shame and guilt of being trans. I'm sure everyone around me sensed it. Today, I revel in the joy of being out in the real world as the real me. I am sure everyone around me senses it.

At 6ft tall and big everything I do try to present an unambiguous female presentation that I can, be it girlie girl (my favourite ) or jeans and a nice top. Makeup is always included to some extent.

As with all things hormonal, YMMV. I've had a few totally unexpected surprises as well as some (hoped for) expected changes.
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AmyC

You definitely get treated differently, but not necessarily in a bad way, not always anyway.

I have quite a close group of (primarily) male friends.  We all met in scouts so have been friends for nearly 2 decades and have a friendship based on light hearted abuse.  The first thing I did notice is suddenly I don't get as much abuse as I used to, its like they're now scared of hurting my feelings and have started treating me nicer,  its odd.  I obviously don't get invited on the "boys night out" anymore, or rarely anyway.  We're still a close group but the dynamic has changed.

Female friends treat me much the same as they did before. There hasn't been a massive amount of change there.

As for libido,  I never had much to start with (low T levels due to an accident in my early teens), but I've noticed what little I had has declined.  It doesn't bother me personally but your mileage may vary on that one.
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Sharon Anne McC


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Yes, I definitely experienced profound social and cultural differences going from male to female.  I was active in various feminist causes and issues during the 1970s and 1980s - as a male - so I saw them and knew what was coming upon my change.

I wrote about workplace differences at my web-site.  When I was a male, I took note how higher-grade female co-workers deferred to me.  I, on the other hand, aware of the mal-treatment by co-worker males, was attuned to the women and acknowledged their contribution - the only male in the office to do so.  My lower-grade female co-worker in my unit was so surprised how I treated her respectfully, how I honestly sought her contributions, and how I devoted time to be a good teacher for her.

Conversely, employed as female in my last job with greater education and work experiences than as male, I was on that receiving end of disrespect by male co-workers.  Not one lower-grade male co-worker accepted any effort of my higher-grade teaching or training.  To them, they reduced 100 points off my IQ scale because I am female.  Only other females accepted my expertise - whether higher- or lower-grade.  At meetings, the males controlled the discussion; they rarely allowed we women to speak.  My male supervisor and male manager would steal my work and present it as their own.  At meetings, male co-workers expected we women (including those of higher grade or authority) to bring snacks at our personal expence, serve them, and clean up after them.  I have no recollection of any male bringing any snack or contributing to the clean-up (the men were usually the first ones gone).

I have mostly female friends and a few male friends; I am not explicitly 'out', none know of my medical past from me though they can freely browse my web-site and ask all the questions they want to ask.  One male is on the verge of 'boyfriend' status; we've known each other more than 20 years yet he does not 'know' me.  He demonstrates his perspective of me as female by talking male code with other males if I am present.  In some ways it is annoying, yet it helps prove to me that he perceives me as female and treats me as female rather than 'one of the guys'.

How you 'present' as female is your decision as how you are comfortable - be it tomboy or femme or any other manner.  Be yourself.  Befriend those who want to be your friends.  Use the Internet to locate a transsexual group in your area; contact them and and meet with them.  They can help you at your immediate location.

Make-up is your decision.  I originally wore face make-up to cover my facial 'shadow'; as my electrolysis progressed, I diminished wearing face make-up.  Make-up was my security blanket - once I no longer needed it to cover my facial shadow, I felt free of it to wear or not wear as I chose.  I occasionally use eyeliner, otherwise I usually go without make-up.

How is love different?  I'll leave the exactness to the M-F; I can't answer that one completely because I am female inter-sex - erroneously assigned male at birth due to mal-formed female external genitalia.  I read and hear from other M-F that their libido is fine.  Know that responce is different from male to female; you will now be female and experience as female with GCS / SRS.  I can say that, in my version of post-op experience, I am just fine anatomically; I can do well down below and up top (trying to keep my words within bounds here).  Actually, I can do well by caressing and cuddling as much as otherwise, ahem.  My 'o' is mental as well as physical and I satisfy either way and / or both ways. 

Exogenous estrogen will change you from male to female.  That means it will change your libido and perspective to female.  It seems according to what you wrote that this change makes you reluctant to proceed.  This will be a topic you must discuss with your counsellor and endocrinologist.  A M-F true transsexual will have no difficulty accepting all these changes.

Some M-F document they have a complication finding a partner; many males refuse to date M-F transsexuals.  That is the attitude here in the USA - but different parts of this country vary from others; it is probably easier at some regions and impossible at others.

Another issue nowadays is whether to tell a partner and when; I have no definitive answer for today other than go with how you feel your relationship is progressing.   

My gender identity has always been female since the earliest memories - age three.  I grew up with what was termed 'feminine protesting'.  Doctors discovered my female inter-sex state through the course of my transition and my life changed with a new retrospective understanding of my growing up.

What I wore never had anything to do with my female identity for me.  If women wore three-piece suits, that would be what I'd be wearing today rather than skirts and dresses.  Generally, one's focus on attire is more aligned with transvestism than transsexualism.  This is where you must discuss your issues with your gender counsellor.

Your questions, Goat, are quite well.  You must ask all the questions you have in you to be certain that you will make the decision that is best for you.  You must get answers.  Here where we can share personal experiences.  Your counsellors will help you make your best decisions for your future.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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Deborah

I can only speak about the libido question.  Mine used to be really high to the point it was almost all consuming.   Now it is much much lower, but not totally gone.  The primary difference is that I control it instead of it controlling me and I can pretty much turn it on and off at will.  That in itself was a huge change and very welcome relief probably because having a high sex drive with a mismatched mind/body is kind of a curse.

One big caveat though.  The parts do not really reliably work as designed any more if you catch the meaning here.  I'm really happy with that but others might feel differently.


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