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What is every tip you know for passing pre-everything?

Started by perrystephens, October 03, 2015, 10:35:05 PM

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perrystephens

Even the tiniest details. I'm specifically really self-conscious about my voice, but I need literally any help I can get. Maybe we could each just list all the things we know about doing for dyphoria and kind of create an ongoing list?

I don't know about much except the basics (binding, packing, etc.). I also watch a lot of Supernatural and try to mimic them a little (movements, posture, attitude, etc. anything that seems really masculine to me.) Other than that I don't know.

Is there a reason most trans guys can pass like 90% pre-everything? I sound 110% female (i also have a bad habit of saying like a lot which doesnt help), and I pass about as well as Anne Hathaway when she had a pixie cut. :/
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FTMax

First, I think 90% is generous. Passing is a matter of perception, both ways. Them perceiving you as male or female, and you perceiving how they perceive you. It isn't always clear unless it's followed up with a confirming ma'am/sir or he/she. I think a lot of guys think they pass just because no one says anything to them to make them think otherwise.

I'd split passing into 3 aspects: appearance, voice, and mannerisms. The more you combine all 3, the more likely you are to pass. That's why passing in pictures is different from passing in videos or passing in public.

As far as tips go:

- Go to a barbershop and get a dudely haircut.

- Shave your face, even if there is nothing there. It'll make anything that is there grow back blunted and maybe a little darker/coarser.

- Look at how guys in your area dress, and wear something similar. If you fit in, people will not be looking to see what makes you different.

- Learn to recognize female vocal patterns, and avoid them. Inflection, phrasing things as questions that are statements, etc.

- Binding. Binding is more important for passing. Packing is more for you. No one is going to see that you're flat chested and then go looking for a bulge.

- Give other dudes the head nod.

- Walk with your head up. Confidence is important, even if it's just a projection of it and not actually real.

- Try not to display too much emotion.

- When you sit down, spread out. Manspreading is real.
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sam1234

You didn't give an age, so in part, i'll wing it. The younger you are, the easier it is to pass. Young males either prepubescent or in puberty can be somewhat androgynous. That doesn't mean you have to be in that age group, but if you are even in your early twenties, you can pass as a much younger guy.

Depending on your size, you might not need a binder, just a large shirt. I was an A, so not a real big deal. You can offset any breasts by doing some lifting. Bench presses can increase muscle and make mammary tissue less noticeable. Side arm lifts will widen your shoulders which in turn make your hips less noticeable.

Some things are probably natural. The way you walk for instance, is probably already ingrained and won't need work. Regardless of whether or not your voice is high, midrange or low, stay quiet. That doesn't mean don't talk, just don't talk unless you have something to say and keep it short. Watch the way other guys interact with each other. Take a few days and sit at the mall and just watch guys go by. Re create their speech patterns.

If you are heavy, drop some pounds. Extra padding increases the size of the hips, and fat makes estrogen.

If your hair isn't already short, get a short cut in town, then go to a neighboring town and really get it buzzed. Use an alias or a name if you have to and pay cash. I used to go into the city where no one knew me and get a crew cut. That sounds kind of radical, but I didn't want to leave any doubt that I was male. When you ask for the short cut, don't falter or get shifty, either tell them you want a buzz or a boy's regular. If you say it with confidence, they won't question it.

Wear loose clothing. It hides the hips and breasts, and while it might not be the style for females, it is for guys.

Be careful with packers. Don't overdo by trying to get the biggest. You don't need to draw attention, and if you look at most guys, they don't have a big bulge unless they have something on their mind. lol  There are a number of places that make good, lifelike packers.

If you really think your voice is high, practice dropping it an octave. Its easiest to do if you talk quietly. Not all guys have really deep voices, and if you listen to young guys talk, even into their twenties, often times they haven't deepened that much.

Its ok to flirt with girls, but I wouldn't try to date. There is more physical contact earlier these days and you don't want to blow it because a girl gets handsy.

Other than that, be yourself. You probably already don't fit in with girls because of your walk, talk and behavior or lack there of. I wish you luck.

sam1234
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  • I try and keep my chin tilted up a little when I talk to folks. It's read as ... I dunno, sort of defiant and a little aggressive, and imo, just generally more masculine than when I keep my head down. Confidence will help you here.
  • Sing down as low as you can, then try and talk in that same pitch range. Practice doing that until it feels natural to let your voice sit down there. Eliminate vocal dynamism. This is hard for me, because I have a naturally showy, melodic voice and also I talk with my hands -- both of which are features associated w/ women's voices.
  • Try not to cock your hips when you stand.
  • Seconding the bro nod!

I think imitating the guys you see on tv is a good start, although I will briefly mention that SPN has a very performative style of masculinity. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about that sort of "gravel in your guts and spit in your eye" vibe, but irl, it's easy to accidentally be perceived as overcompensating or even parodic. Like, you know how those guys' voices have dropped about a gazillion octaves over 10 seasons? It's masculine, but it's also something people giggle about because it's read as "put on"/over the top/fake, rather than natural.

Also, don't feel alone here. 90% is definitely hyperbole. I work my ass off to pass pre-everything, and it's definitely hit or miss. You're not the only guy in the world who doesn't pass. Not even close.
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November Fox

I've only been doing this for a couple of months now, so I'm no expert, but I'd like to add

- let grow your eyebrows and then groom them so they're more male.
- Trim the hair at the sides of  the forehead in a more male pattern. Be careful though, I've found it difficult to trim it so it looks natural. Works for me though.
- Nails: guys nails tend to be more square.

Other than that I agree with shaving your face, walking in a confident way, practice with lowering your voice. I just sing along to my favourite music but a couple of notes lower than before, until I can feel it resonating in my chest rather than my neck. 
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