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FFS (DR. LAZARO CARDENAS) any feedback???

Started by Camille69, August 27, 2013, 01:55:08 AM

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RubyAliza

Hi Everyone,

Dr. Cardenas' and the Transop team are right, and the board member expressing their dissatisfaction are right too. I think probably the best thing to do is not only to keep the discussion civil but actually to go beyond words, to include photographs as evidence of any claims. Afterall, that's how patients and doctors evaluate results - with physical, visible evidence. Pictures not only speak louder, but say what words cannot.

    I'll speak for only myself when I made some judgement for my decision. Dr. Cardenas does do Type 3's, that not up for debate in my opinion. Some of the results on the website you can see the frontal sinus is moved back (pictures 2 and 10). However, it seems the best results are from patients who do not need very aggressive type 3's. That's my observation. I may be wrong but Dr. Cardenas, like many other surgeons including Dr. Zukowski, create flatter foreheads by using bone cement on the upper forehead. Pictures 5 and 11 I think may be a good example of this. I believe in my opinion, no disrespect meant, that Dr. Cardenas could have moved the frontal sinus back further for all of these examples. It's hard to say without x-rays.

   He was not the right doctor for me. I needed a very aggressive type 3 and I did not want any significant amount of bone cement used to flatten the forehead. Dr. Rossi was able to do that and I'm thankful for him (perhaps that's besides the point). If possible at all, Radialan, are there any photos of an aggressive type 3? Considering Dr. Cardenas has been doing these surgeries for almost two decades, it would be fantastic to see some of that great work. Of course patient privacy is the utmost importance and is the law. Personally I have no problem sharing the great work my doctor did with others. Certainly some of Dr. Cardenas' patients must feel the same. And I see no reason why any thread containing photographic evidence  should be deleted or considered defamatory. Keep your words civil, always, and use photos. Enough said.

   Better photographs to give a more balanced view, that's what I'd like to see. I've seen some of the less than satisfying results from Dr. Cardena's surgeries. Mistakes happen like you said. So lets see some of those great type 3's if at all possible.

    On a side note, I really don't think before/afters with a significant amount of make up should be used. In my opinion, before/afters should be done in the most ethical way possible. T-change (Amanda and Dr. Rossi) for example have a good policy of showing honest before/afters, with no make up, in the same position and sizes. That's the best way to do it. That really solidified my trust enough to make my final decision. I don't have any connection to them other than being a happy former patient.

     - Ruby

     
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radialan

Ruby, thanks for your input.  You've done a good job of articulating in previous posts why you opted to go with the new FFS surgeon in Argentina. We have nothing but respect for your decision and viewpoint, even if we don't agree with it. 

As a provider of Facial Feminization Surgery, our before & after photos are available on our own website and on our Facebook page.  This forum is non-commercial in nature and we try to limit our responses here to direct rebuttals and to the correction of misleading or incorrect information about Dr. Cardenas and the procedures that he performs.  Besides, we see nothing to gain in reposting our patients' photos here only to have them dissected and criticized by those who are already biased.
Disclosure - This message has been posted by a member of the TransOp team in Mexico.
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Mariah

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A couple of quick reminders everyone. I appreciate that some are trying to help keep things in check, but please remember leave moderating to the moderators. Secondly, lets also remember bashing of a surgeon isn't allowed either.  Thanks
Mariah
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firestarter

It's easy to figure out. If someone who is living in Mexico requiring FFS, why would they then go to another country for it. Do they know something that everyone else doesn't. It's easy to figure out. I also thought that "Susans Place" had stopped anyone affiliated with a surgeon, from coming on here. So I politely ask the administration staff why they continually allow Radialan to post on this site when they clearly know who he works for.
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Mariah

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Mariah

 :police:
This thread has run its course. No good can come from keeping it open. The fact is some may or may not be happy with the work a particular surgeon may do. After having the rules flirted with and even past in several cases already in this thread it has really boiled down to personal attacks and arguing over what opinions some have of a particular surgeon.  Here are some TOS that need to be kept in mind because all were either flirted with or broke in this thread. Thread will remain locked. Thanks
Mariah
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Cindy

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I will close this board if there is any more carry on

Arguments and comments on this forum
« on: August 22, 2015, 06:56:45 am »

I realise that FFS raises intense interest. I also know that there are malicious and unhelpful comments on this forum.

I find this so sad. Many women want or may need FFS and the people here can help each other in an open and honest way. I appreciate the posters who have revealed their professional relationship with teams. Thank you.

But I will not tolerate libel, trash talking, or other rude comments about various teams be you a client or a team member.

if such activity continues I will close this area down for a period. That would be a great sorrow and a bad outcome for the majority of women who want honesty and truth about their procedures.

Honesty and truth can be posted in a civil and helpful way without insult.

I will leave it to you if you want this area left open or if I close it.

I hope your posts and actions allow me to keep this area open for the benefit of all of you.

Cindy
Forum Admin
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