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Started by Naomi71, October 18, 2015, 01:41:24 AM

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Naomi71

Last friday, I finally had my screening talk with a psychologist at the gender clinic in Amsterdam. I'm allowed into the next stage now, in which they will re-diagnose my gender dysphoria more extensively. If everything goes well, I can start HRT in February. There are so many things happening at the same time,  it's sometimes a bit overwhelming.

The last few months I came out to all of my family and generally they were very accepting. My father turned out to be the best. He used to have a secretary in the late eighties who started transitioning while working for him. They wanted to fire her, but my father told his employer that if she was let off, he would go too. He also opened up about his own feminine feelings, how he likes to be nurturing, cook, etc. During the diagnostic stage they want to talk with a close relative of mine and he volunteered for it. He can tell how I already was a girl at the age of seven, dancing classical ballet, only having girlfriends and playing with dolls.

Unfortunately my mother reacted differently: when I came out to her in person she was quite friendly, but she isn't supportive at all. Yesterday I sent her an email with research papers on ->-bleeped-<-, but I sent it to her from my new "Naomi" email addres. When i talked with her over the phone she told me she was disgusted with me and didn't feel like "playing along with my Naomi game". One of my favorite cousins with whom I grew up believes I'm not transitioning but automutilating and was constantly sending me messages in order to "save" me from myself. She told me that I'd be an ugly woman while I'm a good looking man, how I had "hurt" her because she used to be in love with me when we were kids, how I would probably still be unhappy after transitioning and how she wanted to protect me against myself. They both said things that were hurtful to me and I decided to sever ties with them. I need to be surrounded with supportive people and cannot deal with this kind of crap.

I'm known as a blogger in the Netherlands. I'm a bit activistic against nazi's , xenophobes etc. and one of the neonazis I used to blog about found out about me contributing on a dutch transgender forum. They published about me, wrote things like: "we already knew he was a disgusting ->-bleeped-<-got, but now he entirely lost it". Some other bloggers even doubted my gender identity and believed I was just being an "attention whore", some even thought I was getting paid to serve the  "transgender agenda" without actually being trans myself.

Anyway, I couldn't be more out of the closet than I am right now.

It feels like I'm in the next stage. My psychologist told me I should put more effort into living as a woman and gave me a few addresses where I can get a wardrobe, classes for feminine mannerisms, etc. This is a big step for me, because I always experienced my female gender internally, while carefully not expressing that to the outside world. I do want my body to reflect my female identity, but never truly had the opportunity to dress up. It felt useless to dress as a woman while being alone in my house, but now I've started doing that. I also found a boyfriend who is very supportive, considers me to be a woman and demands me to dress the part whenever I can. that helps, he is pushing me in the right direction.

Owning an internet business developing websites for governmental institutions and corporations, I feel I can't express my gender in a professional context, until I'm entirely passable. I've also found out that being Naomi, I may desire to have a career switch. I can't play the part of being an aggressive entrepeneur and a strict project manager anymore and even feel a bit paralysed professionally. I hope I found a way to deal with that before I'm bankrupt.

My transition ship seems to be sailing.....



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Cindy

Congrats Naomi!!

Don't let the haters get to you - they are small people who have nothing better to do.
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Rainbow Bay

Good luck Naomi  :)

Surrounding yourself with supportive people is a good idea. I've found that it makes a huge difference.

xxx
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stephaniec

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FromAtoZ

Good luck Naomi

Its good that your father supports you full heartedly, Give your mother some time when she realises it's true she will come around eventualy.

Keep strong surround yourself with good loving people and give that boat some strong sails ^^
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Mariah

Naimi, Good luck and don't let those that try to get in your way stop you. They can say whatever want but in the end they can't live your life for you only can. They will try there best to stop us, but they can if we let them and I'm sure you won't let them. Good luck with this next phase in your transition and before you know it you will be on HRT. Hugs
Mariah
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Laura_7

Here are a few resources showing:
-being trans has biological connections
-so its nobodys fault, neither the tg persons nor an upbringing or whatever
-its likely not a phase and not likely to go away
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,197598.msg1757491.html#msg1757491
Some of it might be translated to your language.

You might try to see it with less emotion.
Maybe other people have picked up some preconceived ideas, or have some restraints because they fear they "caused" it somehow by an upbringing or whatever.

Studies showing it has biological connections are widespread only for a few years.
So other peoples attitudes might simply not be up to date.

You might explain but otherwise do as you feel what gives you a feeling of joy (within reason).

As said you might try to take the emotions out of it, not seeing it personal.
This way you might not get hurt and be able to react without negative emotions.

have a big *hug*
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Naomi71

Thank you all for your replies.

@Laura: I do believe it has some biological connection. I have a very smooth feminine skin, hardly any beard growth, have always sensed I already am feminine on a physical level. I do try to explain it in that way, even mailed scientific research regarding that, but they won't even bother to read.

@Mariah: They certainly won't stop me, but they may lose me in the process.

@FromAtoZ: I'm wondering if I'm willing to give her time. What I truly need is support, not an extra burden to carry with me. I find it very strange that I should even bother about how others process this. I'm not causing harm to anyone, this only relates to me, I feel that people who can't respect something like that aren't even worthy of my attention, including my family. Who should be accepting of whom? I for one don't accept that kind of attitude.

It is getting worse. My mother, sister and brother at first seemed accepting, but yesterday my brother sent me this message that I translated below:

QuoteJeroen (why call me Naomi, right?), I ask for your reflexion. You want something impossible. You believe that something fundamental like a sex change of a 44 year old man is something that we can process in four weeks and are able to support you all the way. Your thinking is thoroughly egotistical; only a dishonest person can just switch the button and play along with you. You even pushed overly tolerant people like your sister and me to the limit. And if we don't play along with your preselected environment of people who say "hallelujah" because you're transitioning, you scream "intolerance". Can't mum be given the opportunity to take her time to get used of the idea? You expect the impossible!

In one year time we witnessed your business problems, puberty conflicts with your son and your transformation into a screaming ->-bleeped-<-got (the literal translation is even more insulting). We accepted that, so you do have a family with some flexibility of mind and tolerance, right?

What are you trying to accomplish? Do you have some kind of perverted urge to play the victim? I won't be a part of that. I do understand mum and know that she simply needs time. But how you experience it, someone acting like that is against you. On your forum everyone will probably understand you, because being disowned is really bad! So let's keep the ties harmonious and intact, in everybody's interest. Have a little more trust in the factor time.

After all, it's always your family that's ready for you. And I still do love you just the same as a year ago and so does the rest of us. So stop making little blacklists of people you consider "personae non grata" because they aren't applauding you quickly enough, that makes me sick to the stomach. And if you weren't already aware of that, I do stand behind you, also if you believe next year, that you're actually an african american mare.

I find that message so wrong and insulting on so many levels.

* Not calling me by my name
* Calling me an egotist because I (quite humbly) ask for acceptance
* Calling me a "screaming ->-bleeped-<-got"
* Accusing me of false victim behavior (drawing a line in the sand is something different from considering oneself a victim)
* Taking some random events that happened to me this year that don't impact the relationship with my family at all and presenting that as a "display of tolerance". What do my business and the relationship with my son have to do with anything?
* Believing my gender identity that I've been carrying with me the last 37 years is some kind of whim and even saying I'll probably think I'll be an "African American mare" next year. I mean apart from the inherent racism...
* It's a huge straw man that I would expect my family to "applaud" me. Acceptance is something entirely different.
* I do kick out people who aren't with me on this, because I can't have anyone giving me extra burden. I feel entirely justified in doing so.

When I just came out it looked ok, in my face they responded positively. But this I can't accept.


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Cindy

Sadly Naomi if that was my brother I would be telling them farewell and thanks for the acceptance.

I decided to walk my path, maybe you need to walk yours. Sometimes it is easier.

I am so sorry your family has been so hateful.

Big Hug Hon

Cindy
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Galyo

Whatever happens, don't let the haters get to you, family or otherwise. :)

I'm also from the Netherlands myself, and I'm currently waiting for my first appointment (screening) at the gender clinic. I hope I can receive a date soon.
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Naomi71

@Galyo

Nice, you're also with the VUmc!! Be patient, it's worth it. I think they had a delay in contacting people for the screening because of the recent flooding disaster they had. At the very moment they were supposed to call me, the whole bleeding hospital closed down! Just my luck. But last week I got so impatient that I called them and fortunately they could see me for the screening the same week. About time. I was already referred to them back in August.

I heard critical remarks by other trans people about Vumc, but thought everyone was really nice. They're great. The psychologist was really sweet, she didn't give me a hard time at all and felt really happy and validated when I left the hospital. So afterwards I contacted my family to tell them about it and got the cold shower. Ah well. But I like VUmc and the people working there. They're the best.

@JessicaAlba

Yupz, I had the same experience on a Dutch transgender forum. My identity was doubted, because it's so interwoven with my sexuality. I do understand that gender identity and sexuality are two different things, but in my life, I only had the opportunity to express my gender during dates with men; I was actually banned for writing about that. I tried to express that in a neutral way with some distance and not pornographic at all, but was thoroughly disrespected for it.

@Cindy

Yes, it's painful, but this does mean farewell.



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Laura_7

Imo they simply do not know and have no way to see how it is.

Do you think showing this or parts of it might help ?
http://www.acceptingdad.com/2013/08/05/to-the-unicorns-dad/
its quite emotional... one possibility would be to translate parts of it and ask them to read it through entirely...

its not full with scientific facts but a way of stating things in an emotional and simple to grasp way.


*hugs*
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Galyo

Hey Naomi!

I'm pleased to hear about your positive experience with the VUmc. I called them last week to check if my doctor refered me to them already, which she did. The woman at the other side of the phone told me to check the website for current waiting times, which is up to seven weeks this month. Reading your message makes me think if I should call them again sometime...

As for your family; I haven't come out to my family as trans yet, although they do know about my bisexuality. They do have a tendancy to be trans and homophobic, but if that's the case I have no trouble dumping them. I'm thankful for everything they did for me, but I don't "owe" them anything. It's still a harsh situation, but I see no shame in leaving negative influences behind.

I hope you are well and I'm always available if you need to talk. ^_^
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Naomi71

Hey Galyo,

They should call you back within a month of having been referred to them by your doctor. After that call, the waiting period of seven weeks starts. When I called to tell them they were way past that month, they did move quickly though.

And about family: indeed I don't "owe" them anything. In fact, it's the other way around. Sad thing is, my brother is gay himself, happily married with his husband, but I found out that transphobia also exists in the gay community and is sometimes even nastier in the way it's expressed.


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Galyo

Hey! ^_^

Within a month you say? That makes things a lot more clear to me, though they told me they would contact me by letter. Thanks a ton!

Also, wow... I would have expect your brother to relate to your situation. I guess discrimination is just part of human nature. I have two brothers myself and they are like baby making machines... It's everything that could make parents proud. They already think I'm weird for breaking that mold.
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Naomi71

#15
@Laura

Loved that article and found it moving. But I'm quite sure that if I would send that to them, they either wouldn't read it or consider it "emotional blackmail" in one way or another. Everything I say or do is either distorted, ridiculed or ignored.

I'm afraid they're too compassionless for that. So that wouldn't work.


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Laura_7

Well you could look up the WPATH standards of care.
A feeling of gender disphoria is described there.
You might relate to that with a few thoughts.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,190603.msg1697992.html#msg1697992

Its an official document so its nobodys place to completely disregard this knowledge.
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Naomi71

You know, they're not curious or interested at all and I won't be begging for that attention either. I have too much self respect to shove it down their throats. Yesterday, I sent everyone a full information package with the following pdf files in it. I noted a lot of participants in this thread are Dutch, so I'll mention the Dutch texts too.

* Injustice at every turn - a big US survey about trans discrimination
* "Becoming who you are" (Dutch). A general overview of ->-bleeped-<- in The Netherlands by Paul Schnabel, one of the most respected scholars we have over here
* "Little handbook for the TS woman" (Dutch) that shows how being trans is actually experienced from within.
* "Transgenders are God's surprise", theological aspects of ->-bleeped-<-. My mother is a theologian, so I hoped that would inspire her. Also in Dutch.

But if they don't even bother to read it... sigh.....


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