ok so i need legal advice

[billiexero]

im active duty military and im trying to start HRT. as of right now the sec def is going to lift the ban and they are NOT going to boot any trans people out. i have been trying to find out how to start go threw the legal channels like a good little soldier. my therapist is trying to help me but the psychologist that i had to go see because i have to go threw tricare is a POS. tricare requires me to have a referral from my primary to see a endo. but my HM1 is a moron and made me see a psychologist. the psychologist doesnt know a damn thing about transgender at all he literally told me this the first day i saw him. today he said he wont write me the referral because he cant find the rules stating that he can or cant write the referral. because its technically a grey zone and he doesnt have the expertise in the feild. hes being an ->-bleeped-<- and to afraid to write me the thing. so i asked him to write me a referral to someone who is in the field to help me... guess what he said... no. because he cant write a referral to someone like that because there is a grey zone and blah blah blah. he told me that i can go out to see some one and get the HRT out of pocket but he knows i cant because any endo. will require insurance, ie tricare. and tricare requires the referral, and now im back to the beginning. he was like well that sucks.... i was just trying to stay calm. i just asked if he could just refer me to a therapist that works with transgenders, "why"..... because i have dysphoria and if i cant ->-bleeped-<-ing start moving forward with my life least i could do is talk to someone about it. "what do you need to talk about" really dude ok well how about the basics like the hair issue, like how i grow it like a fur coat. "thats not that bad" and now i snap and unload on him. giving him alot more of the real heavier stuff that makes me feel like crap about myself every day when i look in the in the mirror.

does anyone know anything about the military, and how to go about starting HRT what are the channels. what are my loop holes. how many back flips do i have to do while balancing plates and shooting chitary threw a giant blue sphincter in the sky while loki gets his ass kicked by black widow. please for the love of the forgotten gods help me.

[Ms Grace]

I imagine there will be grey areas around this for some time, and until the ban is dropped and people start coming forward it is likely to be an unknown legal battlefield (no pun intended).

[billiexero]

unfortunately this is the same conclusion that my coworkers and myself have come to. i believe that they are on the same page as i am that its a crock of unicorn doo that this guy (who i now remember also told me he didnt want to send me to someone unless they were going to be monitoring me constantly blood, heart and mentally..... like an endocrinologist does but what ever) i think that im going to have to talk to my chief, fill him in on whats going on with me, im sure hes going to say the same thing everyone else has said.
now this is only funny if you picture this as a guy with a big bushy ass mustache holding a coffee cup with a voice all to similar to jammy from myth-busters   " whats your point, i dont care if your a women of a guy. as long as you keep working the way you work joe navy who cares. beside your not that subtle! "
i think that the only way im gonig to get anywhere with anything is if i have an anchor or two to throw around behind me, to help weigh me down in the fight. if i have there support (which im sure i will ) legals gunna talk to the right channels and im going to be moving .

and as i said i know HRT isnt the end all, its only a stepping stone. i just wnt to get the stone in place and set so when im out and things are finally moving i can have a some what sure footing. not having to worry about the grout hardening or the stone washing away. i just want to be able to move forward and start being happy.

[Deborah]

I know a lot about the military since I'm retired from it.  As of right now to the best of my knowledge the old rules have not changed.  Nothing, including HRT, connected with gender transition is covered.  When the rules change, if they do, hopefully the medical rules will be updated.


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[billiexero]

as of right now the the secretary of defense has sent out a statement (in which i have the actual document if anyone wants) that only the undersec. that he appointed can make the final decision on whether or not (on a case by case bases) a transgender person is to be discharged or denied re enlistment. the transgender service members are not authorized to live openly ( which is the grey zone that we are have the issue with) because me and my actual therapist both figure this mean that we are not aloud to go to work in the uniform or regs of the gender that we are. but it doesnt state anything about what we cant do outside of work. she actually told me that there would me nothing stopping me from dressing or acting how ever i wanted off base as long as its not at a military function. so the grey zone isnt so grey they are just ->-bleeped-<-ing cowards   

[billiexero]

ok for any of my beautiful ladies and handsome men, and for those who like it; my beautiful men and handsome ladies cuz ->-bleeped-<- that whole descriptions are gender based. i am talking to military legal, looking into the whole legality of weather of not we are aloud to start hrt. the JAG as of right now agreed with me that it kinda looks like there isnt anything say we cant but they are going to dig and talk to medical JAG just to be safe. i will keep you updated.