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I'm new here, and am in a very foggy place

Started by mutanmion, December 30, 2015, 02:19:04 AM

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mutanmion

Hi all, this is my first post here at Susan's Place. I debated whether to post this in the Introductions or Non-binary forums, but the conversations in this forum are more relevant to my situation.

I'm 61 years old, and have identified as a gay or queer male for most of my adult life. In recent years i've been digging deeper into my personal collection of mental health problems and health curiosities. I confirmed diagnoses of ADD and an autism spectrum disorder a couple of years back on top of other crappy things.

While investigating autism/Asperger's syndrome, I came across discussion of Klinefelter's syndrome/47XXY. I was thunderstruck, because I recognized so many of the developmental and physical symptoms of KS. I started inquiring about KS at another forum, and became convinced that I might have the mosaic version of KS—if this was so, it would explain so many things I've been baffled and pained about since I was little. I also wondered if I was trans in some way, since I have many cross-gender instincts.

I convinced my doctor to have a karyotype done. My results came back 46XY. I was so upset I actually cried for most of the evening after getting the test result. Also, my testosterone results were ambiguous— they hovered from a bit below the bottom of the "normal" range to a bit above it. I was mystified about why I had so many symptoms of having low testosterone throughout my life.

Fast forward a few months to a couple of weeks ago— I sought out the help of a psychotherapist who is also a well-known intersex activist. We've had a few video conferences, and the upshot is this: my curiosity about KS was justified. Physically, he confirmed that I have the "eunuchoid habitus" physique characteristic of KS, and can happily call myself a gender variant or gender non-conforming person if I wish. Additionally, after discussing other details with him, he thinks that I might have some sort of unnamed androgen insensitivity that differs from the more well-known Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

I was stunned when he suggested androgen insensitivity. It would explain why I had low normal T but have a history suggestive of much lower T. My local psychiatrist thought what he said was plausible.

I had noticed the discussions about DES here a while back. I asked my video psychotherapist if he was familiar with DES, and if he thought I might have been exposed to it. He said yes, that I very well could have been exposed to DES when I was a wee floaty thing in my mom's belly, because I have symptoms that suggest it.

Of course, this is just speculation at this point. I'm looking for an endocrinologist in my city familiar with things like KS, AIS, DES etc., with my two psych-allies on board to discuss suitable tests and possible TRT.

So I'm a gender variant, non-binary, mildly autistic, androgynous male-ish person who may or may not have something that is near the outer bounds of being an intersex condition, and in the near future I might be starting TRT to transition from being nearly male to being a bit more male. That's freaking awesome, isn't it? Which spectrums and umbrellas do I fit under?  ???

Hello to all of you. I hope I'm in the right place.  ;)
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Ms Grace

Hi!

Welcome to Susan's :) Great to have you here - looking forward to seeing you around the forum.

Thanks for sharing your story. I remember getting a chromosomal test back in the early 1990s and was fairly disappointed it didn't give me the answer I wanted. I just decided that I didn't need my genetics to be the reason I was who I was. :)

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Dena

Welcome to Susan's pPlace. I am MTF and had the test that were available at the time run on me in my 20's. As I am a bit older than you, the test they could run on me were very limited and I was a bit disappointed that they didn't uncover anything out of the ordinary. At some point I gave up looking for reason why I was the way I am and made a simple decision. I am here and my mind says I should be there. There is a way to achieve it so go for it. That is exactly what I did. I had my surgery in 1982 and have lived happily ever after.

Yes it's interesting to know, but your mind is already formed as to where you should be in life and your mind can't be changed so move in the direction that makes you feel comfortable. Feel free to ask me any questions you have as I am completely open about my past and will be happy to help you.
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mutanmion

Hi Grace and Dena!

Thanks for your welcomes and replies.  Grace, I won't have any problem abiding by the TOS here.  :)

I understand what you are both saying about being yourself, regardless of genetic and medical test results. That is my quest— to be authentically myself and be at peace with my collection of physical, neurological and gender quirks.

I think I've done some smart things— talking to experts, reading and educating myself, connecting with other people in real life and on the web who have related experiences. That's why I posted here—I browsed through Susan's Place many times over the last year, and didn't say hi until I was assured that I had things in common with people in at least a couple of the subforums.

When I finally see an endocrinologist, it's possible that there won't be a medical test that can give me more information re: hypothetical androgen insensitivity or DES exposure. In fact, the intersex therapist I've been speaking with said that there are some things that can only be tested at a handful of medical testing labs here in the U.S. at a molecular level. It would be expensive and probably fail to be confirm anything. I bet that HughE would have something to say about this.

The idea of TRT is appealing, not because I want to be more masculine or have my sex drive revived (I've been virtually asexual for the last two decades), but because I've had a lifelong lack of energy that could be associated with T "malnutrition". Years of therapy and psych-meds, changing diet and investigating medical possibilities like anemia and sleep disorders have failed to improve this very real quality-of-life issue. When I was reading about Klinefelter's and the results people got from their TRT, I was envious—they got some results that I craved. I also know that some people with Klinefelter's identify as intersex or trans, and pursue HRT.

My intersex therapist suggests I do what he calls an "androgen challenge", involving doing one kind of androgen for a few weeks, pausing, trying another, pausing, and then another. He's had clients with mild androgen insensitivity who got great results from doing this. Will it work for me? I'm game to try.

I puzzled over whether I was fooling myself and was actually trans, and the pursuit of MTF transition would be on the horizon for me. However, at heart, I don't identify as female. I'm content to present as male, but I am more complex than just being a cisgendered, neurotypical queer male. It's facing up to this complexity, exploring it and relaxing about it that's the recent development.

I might be an outlier under the trans and intersex umbrellas— I often think that if you break off pieces of some letters in the ever-widening LGBTQIA+ spectrum and patch them together, that's a montage identity that I can own (I am definitely not an L or B). My nerdy sci-fi-fan side likes regarding myself as a mutant, albeit one without any super powers. A hug and kiss to any other mutants here.  ;D
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