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Tolerance for those who believe they can change our minds about being TG

Started by warlockmaker, November 21, 2015, 11:04:11 PM

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cathyrains

Quote from: warlockmakerI hope that more of us will be the tolerant ones otherwise we are little better than the narrow minded bigots. Understand others so that they can understand us, is what I have found to be my best way.

Amen to that.

Quote from: Ms GraceTo suggest I am a bigot for, quite frankly not giving a$#&% what they think, is really extraordinary. If you've found it in you to tolerate them that's nice for you but please refrain from trying to implant that code onto anyone else.

No one suggested you are a bigot. It is interesting, however, that you should see it that way.
What IS rather extraordinary is your request for people to refrain from advocating tolerance.  ???
Exceptions to the norm do not constitute a spectrum.
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Stevie

Quote from: Cindy on November 22, 2015, 12:18:00 AM

I was born into a Roman Catholic family and raised as a christian, a faith that I deserted at an early age while being raped by christian brother, men of the church who believed in Christ.
I was also raised Catholic and was molested by a member of the clergy. When it came time for my conformation I refused much to my families consternation, I also have not had any of my children baptized. My 90 year old mother is still a devout Catholic but also accepts me as her daughter, all of my siblings do as well; I consider myself quite fortunate.
  Regarding tolerance to those that hate me as long as they do not actively try to inhibit me or harm me I hold them no ill will, I feel sorry for them as they are the ones that have to live with hate in their hearts. It is my hope that my open transition has helped expand acceptance or at least tolerance.
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warlockmaker

Thank you all so much. Your replies have been very interesting and diverse and I get the sense that you have all becen exposed to hate and discrimination. Like each of you, I have zero tolerence for discrimination from others. I guess living in HK and having been an outstanding male figure in the community, plus my age and family's elitist status has shielded me from any direct confrontations. Maybe, they are still shell shocked... or I have a very litigenous image, and will nor cross me. I believe its becausewe are a very conservative city, it is city of peace and not a city of violence and hate, a great place to live (tho expensive). The Chinese in the mainland, who are educated or wealthy, have an insatable desire for knowledge, regardless of their age and their acceptance has been amazing.  Hong Kong while a little different, in that the older generation no longer have the intellectual curosity to learn, but all their children are amazingly supportive, so many call me uncle ??? and I am the godfather of so many. Yet, wierd beliefs exists because they just don't know about us. Hong Kong in its entire history has had 29 ID cards which have a gender change, I will be number 30.

Yes, I have had my ups and downs as I came out privately over the last two years and have raised this in the Forums. I was initially quite sensitive to some comments from my SO, but after much thought I have learned to try and understand these comments and where possible I have retained their merits. I have learnt that not all will accept but as long as "we live and let live" I'm ok with it. This initial coming out was good practice before coming out so publicly, requiring more calmness. Maybe my bhuddist life has given me a more accepting view.

Its hard for me to understand the discrimination and intolerence that you have all been through, especially, in the USA, and Australia. I have read so much in the Forums about the hate, intolerance and discrimination and I hope I will handle myself in anappropiate manner when I face this.

Thank you all so much.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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sparrow

If you want to pray for me, pray that the people in my life will learn to show me the tolerance and love that Jesus expects of them.
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Kylo

As trans people, we're already experts at tolerance. Tolerating unbearable situations for decades or lifetimes that would probably crush many cis people to even live with for one week, let alone as long as we have.

But personally I don't tolerate anybody in my life who isn't willing to show some basic human respect. And my life is no less worse for this little tenet. If they disagree with everything you are or do, at the very least they could keep their mouth shut and you could both agree to disagree. If they can't even do that, I'd lose 'em.   

That said, I don't really take part in communities. It's easy for me to walk away from people because I keep few of them close to me in the first place. I can appreciate how tenuous your position much be with family and community at large. If I were in that situation, I'd harden myself internally to the misgendering and whatever else, and ignore it. Even now I am misgendered by family members who ought to know better but I couldn't give a ->-bleeped-<-. I'm transitioning for me, myself and I. Let the world mock - it doesn't move me. The only thing I would respond to is some kind of direct physical or legal threat. Nothing else is important to me about that whole issue. I guess for you any potential lack of respect is a step down, but I've never been given much respect - cannot miss what I never had.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Juliett

Quote from: Deborah on November 22, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
If you are not Christian you can just tell them to read their scriptures where it explicitly tells them that what you do is not their business.

1 COR 5
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves

They won't like that though because it removes their ability to act publicly self righteous and indignant.

You can't reason with crazy.
correlation /= causation
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