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Call yourself a woman? Feminists take on transgender community in bitter debate

Started by Ms Grace, November 22, 2015, 12:02:22 AM

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Call yourself a woman? Feminists take on transgender community in bitter debate
http://www.smh.com.au/national/what-makes-a-woman-feminists-take-on-transgender-community-in-bitter-debate-20151113-gkyk6u.html

by Jill Stark | smh.com.au

Polarised attitudes towards trans women suggest our gender-diverse community needs to discuss what it means to be a woman.

As more trans women find the courage to come out they are facing a sisterhood that is not as willing to embrace them as they might have hoped.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Elsa Delyth

Rather annoying...

Firstly, there are many separate, unrelated issues and concerns being conjoined in the article. The first comments about Jenner, are transphobic, plain and simple. A cis-woman can say and do things that "set back women fifty years" but not have her status as a woman called into question because she said something stupid. That is just looking for something to latch onto as a means of delegitimizing transwomen. Jenner isn't the trans Pope, her stupid comments are her own.

Secondly, women don't have a universal experience of what it means to be a woman that is singularly reducible to vaginas, or periods, and that is just as stupid of a thing to say as fashion. Women can talk about those things, as women of colour (which sounds kind of like an icky term to me, but it seems to be flying around... so I'll partake), can talk about their unique experiences without announcing that the experience of being a woman is singularly reducible to those experiences.

In my view, and it seems obvious to me, that if a woman was cis, identified at birth as a female, but with a malformed vagina, or that never grew to menstruate wouldn't have their womanhood card revoked. Attempting to reduce women to a single quality, or experience that all women share, when ostensibly none exist, is nothing but an exclusionary tactic, founded upon prejudice, and bigotry.
"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution." Emma Goldman.
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Fids

The feminists that call trans womens' womanhood into question are TERFy.

They would do anything to reduce it to a matter of biology, yet deny biological brain differences; even though these brain differences can be taken into consideration without resorting to stereotyping or misogyny.

They ignore the fact that being trans doesn't meet the requirements for mental illness and cannot be changed through therapy.

They complain about being reduced to nothing but genitals and organs yet constantly reduce trans women to nothing but genitals and organs.

They ignore the fact that stifling your gender for decades is nowhere near the same thing as male privilege and is actually a social disadvantage.

I'm really 200% done with any feminist that tries to boot trans women out of womens' spaces.
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Sigyn

I ran into the most hateful post on facebook from a supposed feminist group called "Rock the Slut Vote" commenting on a repost of an article from the Advocate here in the USA.

Apparently TERF is alive and well, and growing by leaps and bounds.

While I applaud Ms. Jenner for obtaining her goals of being a 65-year-old, fantastically wealthy Malibu socialite, she is not the end-all, be all of white people transitioning, as has been the assumption I have encountered in the radical feminist, social justice movements (even among our community).

Mod edit: No TERf links, thanks.
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Ashey

In my opinion, you're a woman if you feel like and identify as one. But as for public perception, I suppose you're a woman if you are treated as one. Nothing exceptionally radical has happened to me biologically. I didn't suddenly grow ovaries and a uterus. But I'm still treated as a woman by everyone and that comes with the entire spectrum of treatment that women receive from both men and other women alike. To me it's as simple as all that. The whole chromosome or genital debate is stupid. If you live as a woman then what does all that matter? 
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Peep

If trans women aren't women that logically means trans men aren't men, and so as a 'woman' i say nay, periods and ovaries do not define me or you :P
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