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As transgender youth make news, doctors say it is not a fad but a previously hid

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As transgender youth make news, doctors say it is not a fad but a previously hidden issue

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/education/local_schools/as-transgender-youth-make-news-doctors-say-it-is-not/article_ea8799d0-9267-5c63-9cf2-6b94711eb077.html

Wisconsin State Journal/By Doug Erickson   12/02/2015

"While it may seem that ->-bleeped-<- among young children is suddenly on the rise, it is far more likely that its prevalence is unchanged, just no longer hidden, according to two Madison physicians who treat transgender patients."
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Dee Marshall

In other news, water is wet.

I'm glad to see this in print. That making something more known and accepted causes more people to admit to it is just basic psychology.

Freud originally believed that a large number of girls were sexually abused. His colleagues and professors argued against it and thus penis envy and the Electra Complex were born. We're now pretty sure he was right in the first place.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

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Lyric

A fad? When was ->-bleeped-<- ever considered a fad? If it was I completely missed that. It's not comforting that the people we trust our health to are that slow witted, I guess.
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Dee Marshall

Basically, Lyric, since we became more visible over the last few years some people have claimed it to be a fad. They equate "trans people care cool, leave them alone" with "you have to be trans to be cool". The same thing happened with the rest of LGBT and sort of with Q some time ago.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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Cindy Stephens

Sorry if this offends anyone.  We know that being gender variant of some sort certainly isn't a fad for us.  However, I can see how SOME teens might be drawn into it from a "fad" perspective.  Kids that age do things, sometimes, just to get a response from overworked parents, indifferent schools, etc.  This is where the much maligned "gatekeepers" shine.  Some of it just may be a loosening up of dress and association codes.  When I was in school, wearing a pink button down shirt could get you beaten up.  The gatekeepers can make those determinations.  My fear is that if too much of this happens then the people with malignant intent will use it against us.
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Dee Marshall

You certainly didn't offend me. I've seen just what you're describing many times regarding all kinds of behaviors
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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TyorTay?

Quote from: Lyric on December 03, 2015, 10:09:39 AM
A fad? When was ->-bleeped-<- ever considered a fad? If it was I completely missed that. It's not comforting that the people we trust our health to are that slow witted, I guess.
Depends who you talk to. Some of the older persons respond to trans issues, by saying "This didn't happen in my day."

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Deborah

One of my friends is convinced there were no gays or lesbians in his public high school simply because he didn't see any. (1970s)


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suzifrommd

Quote from: Deborah on December 07, 2015, 09:25:05 AM
One of my friends is convinced there were no gays or lesbians in his public high school simply because he didn't see any. (1970s)


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space.cowboy261

In my anthropology class at A&M university we learned that through out written human history (and before that) transgendered people have existed in significant numbers and were well integrated into their society.  ;D
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Rina

Quote from: Cindy Stephens on December 04, 2015, 06:51:24 AM
Sorry if this offends anyone.  We know that being gender variant of some sort certainly isn't a fad for us.  However, I can see how SOME teens might be drawn into it from a "fad" perspective.  Kids that age do things, sometimes, just to get a response from overworked parents, indifferent schools, etc.  This is where the much maligned "gatekeepers" shine.  Some of it just may be a loosening up of dress and association codes.  When I was in school, wearing a pink button down shirt could get you beaten up.  The gatekeepers can make those determinations.  My fear is that if too much of this happens then the people with malignant intent will use it against us.

I do see some people (with an overrepresentation of anatomically female individuals) identifying as nonbinary, seemingly more in "rebellion" against strict gender norms than because of dysphoria, usually without changing their name, pronouns or seeking any kind of medical treatment. But then I also know several nonbinary-identified people who experience gender dysphoria, some of whom have changed to gender neutral pronouns or prefer no pronouns at all, and some have also been taking low-dose HRT and/or changed their names. And for this group, whichever changes they have made, socially and/or medically, seem to be just as essential to their wellbeing as my "full" transition - which is really a stupid term, since if you are nonbinary, then you have fully transitioned when you've arrived at whatever result you feel comfortable with!

But anyhow, when I meet people who identify as nonbinary, I really don't care about whether they do so out of a political/cultural need to rebel, or out of dysphoria. Sometimes I get a feeling it's one or the other, but it's really none of my business and both are legitimate - and to be honest, feeling trapped by societal norms could also be described as a kind of dysphoria, even though it's not "medical" (to be honest I'm starting to really hate that word, as it's used to delegitimize people's identities). Even though our experience may be different (if they don't experience "hormonal dysphoria"), I can understand the cultural dysphoria, since after all I feel kind of the same way about being expected to be ultrafeminine now that people see me as a woman; I don't like being confined to look or act a certain way, and there's nothing I love more than showing up on a wedding with let's say an ultrafeminine dress combined with Converse and an army green cargo jacket (I've actually done this, it was fun). So I'll respect people's identities either way.

Anyhow, I believe the "rebel" group could be influenced by culture, and I have noticed that this group is overrepresented by queer, female feminists. It would not surprise me if social/ideological influence played a part in forming their identity. But I also believe the other group, who experience more dysphoria and are more dependent on some level of transition to alleviate dysphoria, has a similar prevalence between generations, just like binary trans people. This says nothing about legitimacy though - only the person themself has the right to define their own identity, and while "typology" can be interesting in learning more about trans*, it can only be used on groups, not individuals. And groups often blur into each other, there are no clear boundaries. That's what the word "spectrum" means, after all.
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