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people making you feel guilty for transitioning

Started by Amoré, December 04, 2015, 08:44:47 AM

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Amoré

I know I have been posting a lot these days and this is really the only place that I can talk other than my therapist.

I just feel like ->-bleeped-<- for transitioning. People like my wife is telling me I don't want to be a father for my child and I am ignoring my responsibility and priorities in life towards my family and my child. I don't know why it is bothering her because she wants to leave me because I am trans but expect me to stay a man for my child. Same with my father he told me that he expects me to stay a man because that is what he raised me to be. He also expect of me to stay a man even if my wife divorce me because I have a duty as a father to fill.

Then my brother had the big brother expectation and I never could have filled that also. Everyone is making me feel guilty for that I am taking my childs father away and this becomes an argument and resentment very quickly.

I almost feel they are getting to me and that I just want to give up because maybe they have a point that my child will resent me and some of them even went so far to say they will make sure that she does.

I just feel like crying right now. I feel like a failure. Why is being trans so damn cruel why is it so hard. I feel like giving up.


The other thing is I think I am a straight transgender woman I always thought I would be into girls but I find myself doing double takes on guys more often these days. I always thought I would be lesbeen but I guess or bisexual but I am definitely leaning more towards men. Can hormones change your sexuality. My sexual fantasies is also being taken by men and I am a woman in them I don't get that sort of fantasies of girl on girl. Can this be that my sexuality is actually shifting.


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Karen5519

You are making a point that is often not mentioned.....and that is pressure from family.  They can be very aggressive at trying to take you on nasty guilt trips.  I cannot speak to your situation, but oftentimes they are more concerned about what other people will think of THEM that what is best for you.  I understand your wife not wanting to stay with you as she did not bargain in marriage for another woman......but using your child as a tool to get you to not do what might be best for you and your welfare.........that is wrong.  I guess she does not know, or does not want to know, that kids today tend to be very accepting to things that in the past many felt like they had to be protected from.  As for your father.......when was it made a strict rule that a child has to live their life in the manner their parent "raised them"?  When you became 18 years old your reached the age of "majority" and you then became in full control of your own life.  I guess he thinks you can really do a great job fulfilling your "duty" to be a good parent while you are walking around fighting gender dysphoria and miserable about your personal situation.  And your bother......pretty selfish of him......trashing you for wanting to ruin his dream of having big brother.  How you feel about yourself does not compare with his little dream does it?  Finally.....what type people are these that say they "will make sure" that your daughter will resent you? 

I do not mean to be snide......but the people who need to be seeing a therapist are in your family..........and it has nothing to do with gender!  Listen to what your therapist says.  Your family does not understand anything about what you are going through and probably do not care to.  They are just more concerned with what their friends and acquaintances will think about them if it is found out that you are transitioning genders.  Oh the horror!!!

Regarding how you feel about your sexuality...........estrogen is very strong and can certainly change your outlook on many things.  It is all part of the process. 

Good luck with your family issues.  Stay strong and do what is best for you!  Only you and your therapist know that.  Just rest assured that all things pass......and being a good parent and your daughter loving you has nothing to do with what gender you project!
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suzifrommd

I remember the lyrics of a song that was popular when I was a kid:

QuoteYou see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself

Regardless of what anyone says, you have a right to be yourself and they you they think they want to preserve was never really there.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Qrachel

Dear Amoré:

There's a reality here that we trans-folk really need to grasp sometimes: Others do things to/for/with/etc. us because they want something, always and always they/we want something from each other; it's immutable, the human condition.  In this case your family seems to generally want their 'male' family member who is transitioning to stop, or perhaps more generously to not transition and keep from making a terrible <fill in the blank> of it all.

I get it and so do any of us who have been or are there.  I was the most guilt-ridden soul on the planet when my family confronted me about remaining as the patriarch and to stop being a self-centered, selfish pervert.   As a result, for months I was convinced I was a horrible, vile, despicable person, all the while realizing of course that there was wasn't a viable alternative for me other than to transition or to not exist (and I tried that too, uggghhh).

You are feeling guilty because each family member who has in some way encouraged you to remain as you are has done so primarily to address something they need for themselves or have a personal issue with, AND you think you are the source of their malaise.  In reality, you aren't; rather, you are taking positive steps to address a serious condition that brings with it (unasked for as you will recall) the need to take some challenging and unusual actions . . . actions with impacts that people perceive at the most fundamental level of being and self, i.e. gender.  There are a lot of reasons why they do this but not because you have made them feel that way and/or behaved this way or that as they have responded.  Just the opposite, they are responding to their own internal issues and concerns, not yours. 

The root cause of your guilt has to do with how you feel about you, and I'm not minimizing the impact of the family's actions toward you.  It's difficult and unloving of them, but in time they may come to accept you.  It may be difficult to hear all this just now, but you are wonderful person who can and will contribute and love all of your family in some manner or another, even an ex-wife if it comes to that, but to do so sincerely and truly with love you have to be who you are.  You innately know this I'm sure; we all do, including your family even if they can't admit it just yet. 

It's not up to you nor is it within your power to alter your family's response to you; that was, is and always will be upon them.  You can show them grace and love in the face of their angst and lack of support, and I recommend you do that.  For in time it will matter greatly to you how you handle your family now, but that does not mean you are to feel guilty because you are transgender, quite the opposite.  Why you may ask?  Well, I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that Amoré has so much to offer her self, your family and fiends, the community, the country, . . . that in time it will be inconceivable that Amoré didn't become that beautiful woman she is destined to be.

Will your family rejoice in this miracle?  Time will tell, but without a doubt the world will be a better place as Amoré grows and graces it daily.  Nothing has ever been truer.

Please stay in touch, be as strong as you are beautiful, and let go of those terrible feelings of guilt; you are a wonderful person with a mysterious gift.  Embrace it and share it with the world, for we will all be better for it.

Take good care and know that we here support you,

Rachel
Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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♥︎ SarahD ♥︎

There's lots of good advice here already, so I can't add too much other than this:

Science is proving more and more that being transgender is something that happens before you even come out of your mother's womb.  It is - for all intents and purposes - a birth defect.  Is a person born with 6 fingers being "selfish" for having an extra finger?  Is a blind person "irresponsible" because they can't see?  Has an amputee "got their priorities wrong"?

All of their concerns are predicated on the incorrect and archaic assumption that this is a choice.  Science says they are wrong, and the experience of every trans person backs up the science.  Are they truly stupid enough to believe that any of us would do this if we didn't absolutely have to?  If you like, we can link some scientific articles on the subject that you can show them, if you think they might listen.

As for your kid - I don't know what country you're from hun, but if it's any western country at least then first of all your little one will likely be fine.  They may be on the receiving end of some teasing / bullying about it, but kids are teased / bullied for having the wrong coloured lunchbox so...  Secondly, ->-bleeped-<- is becoming increasingly accepted, particularly among the younger generation, so there's a decent chance they won't even bat an eyelid anyway.  It sounds to me like your SO is just using your kid to guilt-trip you for her own selfish ends.

At the end of the day they have as much right to tell you not to transition as they do to tell a cancer patient not to have a life-saving operation / chemotherapy etc to remove the cancer. I.e - none.  Sorry if it sounds harsh to them, but it's the truth.  If you can find a way to make them see that, then great.  If they won't... well, that's *THEIR CHOICE*.

*Hugs* hun.  Stay strong, and I hope you find a way through this <3

*Hugs*
"You never find the path to your true self, but rather - you find your true self along the path"
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Ms Grace

Quote from: ♥︎ SarahD ♥︎ on December 04, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
At the end of the day they have as much right to tell you not to transition as they do to tell a cancer patient not to have a life-saving operation / chemotherapy etc to remove the cancer. I.e - none.  Sorry if it sounds harsh to them, but it's the truth.  If you can find a way to make them see that, then great.  If they won't... well, that's *THEIR CHOICE*.

Exactly.

You're transitioning for yourself and yourself only, not their gendered expectations of you. I know our decision to transition can be upsetting and confusing and threatening to many people we are close to. Statements like you mention are them expressing their denial and trying to bargain you out of your decision. It may indeed be that you lose some of them from your life, either temporarily or permanently and unfortunately there's not a lot you can do about that if they're not open to you being who you need to be.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Christy76

Losing people in your life because you are trans is not easy and it's very sad. People who are not trans can not understand what it means to be trans. A lot of them think it's a choice. As if we woke up one day and said "I think I'll live as a woman" knowing the hardship it would cause us. Though some people who are against you now may end up understanding later on. Kids are usually the easiest. I remember telling my sixteen year old niece. I went into her room, stood there and said "there's something I need to tell you, something important. Things might change soon." She sat there on her bed listening and when I got to the part about transitioning the look on her face changed to one that said "Is that all? I thought you were dying or something." She told me she was fine with it and that was that.

Adults are not as easy but with time many begin to understand. It took my sister and brother in law a long time, years even. So don't give up on the hope that people who are against you now may eventually stand by you.
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Amoré

I am from South Africa. I am luckily in a city so they are more accepting but still a lot of closed minded people in my culture.

I had one of my cristian friends last night that also started to try and force her believe on me. I am a cristian but looks like I am missing something somewhere in my religion. She told me that god does not make mistakes and I should accept myself how he made me as a man it is okay to be gay but it is wrong to change genders. Now she want to drag me to a gay guy that is her hair dresser that started transition and stopped due to it apparently making us crazy and suicidal.

It pisses me of if people that does not know what it is to live a life with gender dysphoria gets a little bit of knowledge from someone's experience and throws God into the mix want to tell you how wrong you are for being you.

How you should cope with your issue and all of a sudden and believe because transition was not right for one person that you should have some sort of wake up call that you are wrong after a lifetime of battling.

The only thing in the world that I would give up transition for is my marriage but that will also be with comprises of I am allowed to crossdress. But I am struggling for a year now getting my marriage back on track from coming out as trans. But the problem is this may not be what my wife wants. She can't view me as the man she married and will never this changed her whole world.

But I had a taste of the power of estrogen flowing through me and how it affected my thinking my view of the world. How it is starting to align my vision of myself with reality. That I can be a woman and a wife. I can be a mother and hopefully breast feed my child one day even if I can't carry one myself and give birth.

A big part of me just feels at peace when I got estrogen running in me. 



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Kylo

I learned over time that people can be super selfish without good reason, and just because they are relatives, parents, significant others, etc. doesn't mean their ideas are any more valid than yours. It's more likely theirs are far less valid reasons, because trans people have a medical condition. Imagine someone telling a cancer patient they shouldn't go through with their treatment because it's selfish and inconvenient. Exactly. It sounds ridiculous, and we are just conditioned to feel ashamed and inconvenient because trans conditions are less understood and accepted than cancer. 

That "god does not make mistakes" thing works both ways. If god makes mistakes, it should be all right to correct them. If god does not make mistakes than god made you trans, and gave you the desire to be who you really are. But in any case it's none of her damn business.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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♥︎ SarahD ♥︎

Quote from: Amoré on December 05, 2015, 01:43:19 AM
...She told me that god does not make mistakes and I should accept myself how he made me as a man it is okay to be gay but it is wrong to change genders...

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on December 05, 2015, 04:51:05 AM
...That "god does not make mistakes" thing works both ways. If god makes mistakes, it should be all right to correct them. If god does not make mistakes than god made you trans, and gave you the desire to be who you really are. But in any case it's none of her damn business.

Exactly!  I mean, I'm atheist myself, but let's assume that God does exist and let's assume he is all-powerful and knowing and does not make mistakes.

Firstly, as T.K.G.W said, that just means God made you trans for a reason.  Maybe your soul has some lesson to learn from it or something.  God gave you a female mind / soul / whatever you want to call it.  Surely it would make God happier to change your material form to better fit your soul?

Secondly, if "God doesn't make mistakes" is some kind of argument for not being trans (which I can't see that it is, but let's just assume for argument's sake...), then how do you explain:


  • People born disabled
  • People born with deformities
  • People born with mental disabilities
  • People who get genetic diseases like MS or Parkinsons
  • ...etc

If God doesn't make mistakes, then God is a bit of a prick really...  :-\  Although I guess "God made man in his own image" so that would explain a lot!  :D

In all seriousness though, you have to remember that when people say things like "oh, God says such-and-such", what they really mean is "this is my personal human-interpretation of the Bible".  If I were God, I'd be pretty pissed off with people constantly mis-interpreting my words and twisting them into an excuse for bigotry and hatred.  God / Jesus / Allah / The Hindu Gods and Godesses etc all teach people to love and tolerate each other regardless of if you agree with them or not, whether you understand them or not etc.  Love, Respect, Tolerance and Peace - that's what it means to be a good Christian / Muslim / Jew / Hindu / Buddhist etc  The next time your friend starts spouting this kind of crap, ask them to show you where exactly in the bible it says "thou shall not have a sex change" ;)
*Hugs*
"You never find the path to your true self, but rather - you find your true self along the path"
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CaptainxTatsuo

Quote from: Amoré on December 04, 2015, 08:44:47 AM
I know I have been posting a lot these days and this is really the only place that I can talk other than my therapist.

I just feel like ->-bleeped-<- for transitioning. People like my wife is telling me I don't want to be a father for my child and I am ignoring my responsibility and priorities in life towards my family and my child. I don't know why it is bothering her because she wants to leave me because I am trans but expect me to stay a man for my child. Same with my father he told me that he expects me to stay a man because that is what he raised me to be. He also expect of me to stay a man even if my wife divorce me because I have a duty as a father to fill.

Then my brother had the big brother expectation and I never could have filled that also. Everyone is making me feel guilty for that I am taking my childs father away and this becomes an argument and resentment very quickly.

I almost feel they are getting to me and that I just want to give up because maybe they have a point that my child will resent me and some of them even went so far to say they will make sure that she does.

I just feel like crying right now. I feel like a failure. Why is being trans so damn cruel why is it so hard. I feel like giving up.


The other thing is I think I am a straight transgender woman I always thought I would be into girls but I find myself doing double takes on guys more often these days. I always thought I would be lesbeen but I guess or bisexual but I am definitely leaning more towards men. Can hormones change your sexuality. My sexual fantasies is also being taken by men and I am a woman in them I don't get that sort of fantasies of girl on girl. Can this be that my sexuality is actually shifting.

Amore:
What they are doing is wrong.
See family is to either be supportive
or get out of your way. I feel so sad
for you! I mean they are basically,
trying to bully you into not being who
you feel in your heart you are. No matter
the gender you kids are still your kids.
Just be cause your transitioning
dose not mean your not being a parent to
you children. They are also trying to manipulate
you instead of just sitting down and expressing
their feelings like adults do. I'm so sorry this
is happening to you, it makes me sick hearing
the things your wife has said.
Your choice dose not say your not a proper parent or anything like
that. and I agree with  Karen5519 that your family
needs some therapy. You kids will respect you. True they
might be confused, but if you explain it to them later on;
before the bullying may happen, I think they will grow closer
to you for being real and honest with your self.
BEST WISHES ON YOUR PATH!


"TransMen"
Came Out: 2006
Living Full Time Since: 2007
On the T Train Since: Sept 28th,2015
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