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Does HRT slow or prevent genetic baldness?

Started by ThaliaNyx, December 04, 2015, 07:00:55 PM

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KayXo

Quote from: Lagertha on December 05, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
Not from my personal experience... but I personally know somebody (also we go to same endocrinologist) who had several blood tests for S-DHT done after their surgery. Slightly elevated DHT levels (still in female range) in first three tests (between 2-8th post-op months) were lowered to the lower female range after addition of bioidentical progesterone (measured in 2 additional blood testes). We might not be able to call this scientific proof, but it worked for someone.

Interesting. Could be the passage of time as well but also or exclusively due to P. Further studies must be done on this and more feedback from women.

QuoteWhether finasteride or dutasteride is needed can be shown with blood tests, or by hairloss. I suggest blood test :)

Hairloss would suffice because individuals' sensitivity to DHT varies so that even higher levels in one cause no problems while it does in another or low levels still cause problems in someone predisposed.

BTW, I just came across a paper showing that in frontal scalp tissue, there is less alpha types 1 and 2 reductase in women vs. men suggesting perhaps that increased estrogen and lower androgen decrease these enzymes responsible for conversion of T to DHT. Also, it was shown that estrogen (in study, 17-alpha estradiol) increases aromatase in human hair follicles thus diverting androgen to convert more to estrogen and less to DHT.

In simple terms, this suggests estrogen also may have anti-DHT properties in tissues directly. Estrogen also apparently reduces androgen receptors.

Quote from: Laura_7 on December 05, 2015, 01:17:11 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7773040

This study only suggests that DHT is conducive to orgasm not that orgasm increases DHT levels. ;)

Quote from: Carrie Liz on December 05, 2015, 02:15:01 PM
Does that study actually show that orgasm releases DHT? To me, it looks more like it's saying that higher DHT levels are a predictor of increased sexual activity. Like, I don't think it's saying "orgasm more and you'll increase your DHT levels," I think it's more saying "having higher DHT levels makes you want to have sex more."

Exactly! This is precisely why I asked she provide the studies. We need to interpret data correctly, sensibly, objectively and logically not according to what we want to perceive.

Quote from: Carrie Liz on December 05, 2015, 02:46:01 PM
I'm still confused.  ??? That one seems to show that ejaculation drops T levels, and it takes 7 days of abstinence for them to reset to their highest mark of 145% above the baseline, at which point it stops increasing and remains constant. (And I'm curious about this, because if orgasm increases T production, I want to know about it, because it might be affecting a lot of us who do NOT want T in our systems...)

Quote from: Laura_7 on December 05, 2015, 02:33:44 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329#
Ejaculation was the premise and beginning of the 7 days' periodic phenomenon.

Not a clear cut study in my opinion, not well explained. But even if the case were that, I could care less. I love orgasms and I'm not gonna start obsessing about ejaculating and what not. This goes too far. We are getting a little carried away, don't you think??!
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Laura_7

Quote from: KayXo on December 05, 2015, 10:11:51 PM

Not a clear cut study in my opinion, not well explained. But even if the case were that, I could care less. I love orgasms and I'm not gonna start obsessing about ejaculating and what not. This goes too far. We are getting a little carried away, don't you think??!

Well to dispute centuries old knowledge because there are not exactly conclusive studies at hand is not what I'd do.

Its very well possible to differentiate between orgasms and ejaculation.
Especially on hrt orgasms get more "female" with much less ejaculation.

So having this effect before hrt makes a lot of sense to me.

Its not much to press a certain spot.


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Lady Smith

I can't get rid of the mental image of hair ejaculating out of the scalp in the same instant that ejaculation happens down below ;)
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