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Started by Jak of hearts, December 11, 2015, 02:01:03 AM

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Jak of hearts

If you live in an area where there aren't protections for gender identity, and you come out at work, can you be fired just for being trans. I mean like without any other reason or excuse, just "you're trans?  Get out." I just feel like there would have to be more than that, that they would have to have a justifiable excuse.
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Ms Grace

A lot of it really depends on local anti discrimination laws. Even if those laws are in place it really depends on how strong they are and whether they are ever acted on/prosecuted. Most employers who might fire someone for being trans might not give that as the reason though, they most likely will use some fairly spurious excuse.
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Obfuskatie

First check your local laws. There are many places that have protections against being fired for being trans, but not for not being hired to begin with because of your trans status. It's harder to prove why someone didn't hire you as well, than why they fired you. But when someone fires you, you have the ability to seek a wrongful termination lawsuit that many places have in place for sexual harassment/discrimination. In the US, there has been some success getting recompense through Title 9 in the case of the federally funded work sphere, because trans people can technically fall under sexual discrimination clauses when things like this happen.


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Deborah

If you live in a State with At Will Work laws they can fire you for any reason they want and don't have to say why.  Unless you belong to a protected category you don't have any recourse to fight it.  So the answer is yes.


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suzifrommd

If you live in the U.S., the EEOC has said that discrimination based on gender identity is tantamount to sex discrimination and they will press a case against any employer that takes action against a transgender employees. The courts have not definitively agreed, but the federal government is a pretty powerful ally/enemy, and most employers will quickly knuckle under that level of pressure.

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Debra

In a word: yes. It's very possible.

Even in states where gender id is protected in the workforce, if it's an at-will state, they can let you go for whatever reason they want....then again if it happens immediately after coming out , you probably have some kind of grounds for a lawsuit (if in such a state).

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FTMax

Yes. Every state in the US is technically an at-will state, meaning that an employer does not need to give you notice or a reason to let you go. There are a few exceptions to at-will employment, noted here:

http://www.paywizard.org/main/labor-law/dismissal/states-with-exceptions-to-employment-at-will

So if you live in one of those states where the exceptions are followed, you may have some recourse. If you suspect that you were fired solely because you were trans, you could check your local and state laws to see what identities are covered by EEO. Gender identity is what you're looking for, though you could hypothetically make a push for sex or sexual orientation depending on how backwards it is where you live.

Most employers don't want to get involved in that kind of negative legal action, and will be looking for any slip-up on your part to get rid of you if they want you gone. Or they'll wait until a slower season and blame it on business slowing down. The best thing you can do as a trans employee IMO is to excel at your job, be friendly with as many people in the workplace as you can, and never give them a reason to let you go. Show up on time, get all your work done on time, play nice with management and coworkers, and in general do your best to stay on good terms.
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JessieBirdie

Meaning, do you have claim to legal recompense if it happens?  Yes and No in the USA.

See Wikipedia for a list of states and jurisdictions that have gender identity/expression protections and ordinances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_counties_in_the_United_States_offering_an_LGBT_non-discrimination_ordinance

In these places, you are explicitly covered by state or local law.  Otherwise, the EEOC has generally been ruling that gender identity discrimination is tantamount to sex discrimination under Title VII.  http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/otherprotections.cfm

The applicability of EEOC rulings depends on your employer though.
http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage.cfm
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RobynD

Where you do have legal protection yes. Great link to the map above.

I get that "at-will" "right to work" (the 2nd term is laughable) and other business protections mean anything can and does happen, but from my experience in hiring 100s of employees, and releasing perhaps dozens over my career, is that discrimination is taken very seriously and that level is increasing.

If an employee feels they have a basis for the claim, companies see $$$ and distraction on their horizon, and often settle before litigation. (large companies, very small companies often have no resources or insurance to do so). The problem often is employees move on quickly or are scared to go after their former employer. If they committed a wrong they should pay.


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BeverlyAnn

Vandy Beth Glenn was fired from her position of Legislative Editor for the Georgia General Assembly in 2007 after she informed her immediate supervisor she was going to transition.  Her supervisor had no problems but the overall boss did.  He admitted in court the thought of someone with male sexual organs in women's clothing was "unsettling" to him, was "something I don't like to think about," and was something he viewed as "unnatural." He also freely admitted he thought Georgia legislators would think Glenn's presence at the Capitol would be "immoral.".  In 2010 a Federal judge ordered her reinstated to her job but allowed the state to appeal without putting her back to work.  They did, however, have to pay her and give her the benefits she had before even if she wasn't working.   The ruling was upheld on Dec. 6, 2011 by a three judge panel of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals stating she was a victim of sex discrimination based on gender nonconformity.  She returned to work on Dec. 9, 2011.

Now, I'm not an attorney but I would think that pretty much sets a precedent within the Eleventh Circuit anyway that firing someone simply because they are transgender is considered a form of sex discrimination.  Plus most major corporations really don't want the negative publicity.  When our first pilot at Delta transitioned, it basically opened transition to the entire company since all rules, other than specified in a union contract, apply equally to all employees. 

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Sharon Anne McC


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Sorry for another long essay but I feel this episode needs to be known by others as a warning that you are NEVER safe from any employer who decides to target you.  My work history was exemplary and made no difference; in fact, as my state employing agency Director issued an agency-wide performance award to me at an agency gathering, he gave my separation papers to me a few days later.  Neither are you safe from any SSA employee who may get into your file and disrupt your records.

As the saying goes, 'Don't get me started.  Don't even get me started!'

It happened twice when my employer fired me exactly because I am transsexual:  from a federal agency (1983) and a state agency (2008).

There is a periodic discrepancy report that every employer receives from Social Security Administration.  That report identifies every employee whose SSAN file does not match according to their identification at their employer.  I know this from multiple situations, primarily because personnel offices receive it, I worked for the Personnel Office of the USDA Forest Service (1978 - 1985), and that report outed me twice.

I changed my SSA record to Sharon / female during Summer 1978 while employed as a civilian at a military base.  My appointment was temporary and expired 30 Sep 1978, so that employer may not have seen any purpose taking action.  Besides, one of our military agency's employees was transsexual and it would seem incongruent to fire me.

1:

I had recently begun my appointment to the Fores Service, was doing my transition, and not 'out' at work.  I returned early from lunch overhearing my supervisor and another department supervisor mentioning my name with 'He's a she' followed by 'No, she's a he' and more back-and-forth.  My name was on that SSA discrepancy list and my supervisor violated my employee and medical privacy by discussing my personal matter with another person not on any need to know.

This supervisor apparently had no mind about me but my background became office gossip the two years I was stationed at that location.  I was promoted and transferred to another location at metropolitan Salt Lake City, Utah (October 1980).  The gossip followed me to Utah but was not antagonistic - yet.

My new supervisor took office by mid-1981; she did take offence at my person.  The office gossip worsened for two years until one day she summoned me to her office and ran me through the 'third degree':  'There's someone in this office who is a woman working here pretending to be a man and we can't have any of that.  I think that is you.'  Of course she knew it was me, my name and sex did not match my SSA file - I was on that discrepancy list.  I tried defending myself without admitting anything but that mattered little.  She told me she was initiating action to fire me because I am transsexual.

I fought my firing the next two years as other issues unfolded in an exchange of charges and counter-charges until it was futile; I developed other plans.  I filed for Un-employment Insurance, the agency challenged my application, but I won when UI ruled that I had endured a 'hostile work environment' for six years.

My regret was that I did not return to work the next day as Sharon / female and put the onus on them.  Now what.  If the charge was presenting at work as a male when I am female, then presenting as female gives no basis for their action.

What also hurts is that another Forest Service co-worker in my same organisation at a different location began her open transition in 1985 as I was on my way out the door.  I learned recently that she is now the Assistant Director at that site where I was fired.  Huh!

2:

I had been working for the State of Arizona since 1990 and all was quiet.  My name was not on any SSA discrepancy report because my name and sex were a perfect match between employer and SSA.  I got summoned to a manager's office in 2005 or so and here we go again.  She told me that my name and sex appear as Nick and male and why is that.  'Are you a transsexual?' she asked me.  I refused to answer any questions; my private life and medical history is none of their business.  I went to SSA and asked what is going on; they told me to go back to court, get a new court order, and they will restore me to Sharon / female.  I did that but the damage was done - again.

It seemed quiet for a  few years but there were constant rumblings about that SSA discrepancy report and my name being on it the way it was; other managers called me to their office demanding an explanation and I continued to refuse to respond.  My agency director brought me to his office, gave official papers to me and told me that I was being fired as 'mentally unfit' (2008).  As with the Forest Service, we exchanged our charges and counter-charges during the next two years.  At my hearing, my Director admitted committing three additonal federal felonies in his action to fire me; nothing happened to him, but I was fired just the same.

Hey, since my employer says that I am 'mentally unfit' and 'disabled' then why not file Social Security 'disability'.  SSA ruled that I am not 'disabled'.  I used that SSA determination in my defence - it was among a handfull of psychological papers all sustaining my mental stability.

I appealed my firing and won; that was a surprise.  The agency was ordered to restore me to my job; they refused.  I went so far as to show up for work one day and my agency blocked me from taking my desk.  I filed my six month 'notice'.  It gave me time to think.  I decided that further fighting the firing was not in my cards this time.  If I continued fighting and the next level of appeal ruled for the employer, then I'd be in a deeper hole without any legal assistance and have more work to get out.  Whereas, I always have my piece of paper that says I won.

I was stupid and naive the first time, and I got lucky (1983).  I was a little wiser the second time and knew my course was futile despite my legal 'victory' (2010).  Fighting the state employer, my lawyer ditched me at the last moment.  I could not get any lawyer to come to my aid.  EEOC refused to accept my case.  The AFSCME union refused to defend me.  ACLU would not talk to me.  There are state and federal agencies and non-profits supposedly established to assist the 'disabled', yet they all refused assisting me.

That second time, I stept on the toes of the big boys and girls of both political parties when my counter-charges went public and this was their wrath against me.  I was told that I 'would never work again'.

My consolation was UI.  They again ruled that my state as employer conducted a 'hostile work environment' against me.

I got a sudden notice from SSA telling me to report to the state agency's hired gun psychologist for an appointment.  She made repeated hostile comments to me during our interview; lo and behold, she determined that I am 'disabled'.  SSA took her decision and placed me on disability.

So here I am, totally unemployable and receiving a meager SSA disability check until my employee retirement begins.

Epilogue:

I spent many days this year getting SSA to once and for all correct my file that they continually reverse.  I was at the SSA office three days during one week in July to correct my file after it was reverted each day after I was there.

Out of year-end curiosity, I went to SSA last week to enquire about the status of my SSA file.  This time I got to speak with a supervisor who was quite open to show my record as it appears on his computer screens.  We both laughed at the absurdity - there was the entire screen filled with line after line of changes flipping my record from Sharon / female to Nick / male and back again all throughout this year.  He made a copy of my passport and assured me that my file should not be reverted again.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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Carrie Liz

Yes, they can.

And not just in states where there aren't anti-discrimination laws on the books.

I know, because I was indeed fired for coming out.

Basically, I was working at a casino in New Jersey, a state that does indeed have ->-bleeped-<- listed under its list of protected statuses. My casino manager tried to force me to cut my hair and take my newly-pierced earrings out because their company dress code had very strict "male" and "female" guidelines. When she confronted me about it, I had no choice but to tell her that I was doing it because I was transgender, and I was transitioning to female, and therefore asked for leniency on the policy.

My manager refused. She told me to cut my hair and take my earrings out or else. By that point, I was already being gendered female by customers more often than not, so I decided that rather than cut my hair and set myself back by at least 8 months of still being stuck pre-transition, go back to getting gendered male all the time, I'd just make the legal switch right then and there. I told her I was going to do it.

Less than a week later, I was fired. And of course they didn't say "because you're trans." They said it was because of "poor customer service." And because that casino doesn't have a union which can challenge terminations, and because they hired everyone as a probationary hire, (PLEASE check your work contract when you start working somewhere... know your rights. I wish I'd have known that I basically had none,) they could basically fire me for any reason, even a reason as simple as "you just weren't a good fit for this company," and there was NOTHING that I could do about it.

So yeah... it sucks, but it's reality. It can happen.

If you're going to do it on the job, make sure it's at a job that you're established at, preferably a job with a union that can defend you, preferably a job with LGBT anti-discrimination laws on their own books and not just the state's, and make sure there's legal protections. It can still happen, but if those former things are true you can at least reasonably challenge it and hope to have something done.
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kittenpower

They probably wouldn't fire you for being trans, they would find another reason somehow.  And they could also start using forms of subtle harassment which would be hard for you to prove, and then there is workplace bullying like your co-workers saying things under their breath when your back is turned, and shunning/ostracizing, so you will eventually feel very uncomfortable and leave on your own. This happened to me, and it was a horrible experience that I would not wish on anyone, but on the bright side, I didn't have a problem finding another job, and it was a world of difference starting over where no one knew me pre transition.  Some of us have great workplace transitions, and others not so much. 
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Gertrude

No protections + employment at will=yes


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Gertrude


Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on December 11, 2015, 11:21:16 AM
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Sorry for another long essay but I feel this episode needs to be known by others as a warning that you are NEVER safe from any employer who decides to target you.  My work history was exemplary and made no difference; in fact, as my state employing agency Director issued an agency-wide performance award to me at an agency gathering, he gave my separation papers to me a few days later.  Neither are you safe from any SSA employee who may get into your file and disrupt your records.

As the saying goes, 'Don't get me started.  Don't even get me started!'

It happened twice when my employer fired me exactly because I am transsexual:  from a federal agency (1983) and a state agency (2008).

There is a periodic discrepancy report that every employer receives from Social Security Administration.  That report identifies every employee whose SSAN file does not match according to their identification at their employer.  I know this from multiple situations, primarily because personnel offices receive it, I worked for the Personnel Office of the USDA Forest Service (1978 - 1985), and that report outed me twice.

I changed my SSA record to Sharon / female during Summer 1978 while employed as a civilian at a military base.  My appointment was temporary and expired 30 Sep 1978, so that employer may not have seen any purpose taking action.  Besides, one of our military agency's employees was transsexual and it would seem incongruent to fire me.

1:

I had recently begun my appointment to the Fores Service, was doing my transition, and not 'out' at work.  I returned early from lunch overhearing my supervisor and another department supervisor mentioning my name with 'He's a she' followed by 'No, she's a he' and more back-and-forth.  My name was on that SSA discrepancy list and my supervisor violated my employee and medical privacy by discussing my personal matter with another person not on any need to know.

This supervisor apparently had no mind about me but my background became office gossip the two years I was stationed at that location.  I was promoted and transferred to another location at metropolitan Salt Lake City, Utah (October 1980).  The gossip followed me to Utah but was not antagonistic - yet.

My new supervisor took office by mid-1981; she did take offence at my person.  The office gossip worsened for two years until one day she summoned me to her office and ran me through the 'third degree':  'There's someone in this office who is a woman working here pretending to be a man and we can't have any of that.  I think that is you.'  Of course she knew it was me, my name and sex did not match my SSA file - I was on that discrepancy list.  I tried defending myself without admitting anything but that mattered little.  She told me she was initiating action to fire me because I am transsexual.

I fought my firing the next two years as other issues unfolded in an exchange of charges and counter-charges until it was futile; I developed other plans.  I filed for Un-employment Insurance, the agency challenged my application, but I won when UI ruled that I had endured a 'hostile work environment' for six years.

My regret was that I did not return to work the next day as Sharon / female and put the onus on them.  Now what.  If the charge was presenting at work as a male when I am female, then presenting as female gives no basis for their action.

What also hurts is that another Forest Service co-worker in my same organisation at a different location began her open transition in 1985 as I was on my way out the door.  I learned recently that she is now the Assistant Director at that site where I was fired.  Huh!

2:

I had been working for the State of Arizona since 1990 and all was quiet.  My name was not on any SSA discrepancy report because my name and sex were a perfect match between employer and SSA.  I got summoned to a manager's office in 2005 or so and here we go again.  She told me that my name and sex appear as Nick and male and why is that.  'Are you a transsexual?' she asked me.  I refused to answer any questions; my private life and medical history is none of their business.  I went to SSA and asked what is going on; they told me to go back to court, get a new court order, and they will restore me to Sharon / female.  I did that but the damage was done - again.

It seemed quiet for a  few years but there were constant rumblings about that SSA discrepancy report and my name being on it the way it was; other managers called me to their office demanding an explanation and I continued to refuse to respond.  My agency director brought me to his office, gave official papers to me and told me that I was being fired as 'mentally unfit' (2008).  As with the Forest Service, we exchanged our charges and counter-charges during the next two years.  At my hearing, my Director admitted committing three additonal federal felonies in his action to fire me; nothing happened to him, but I was fired just the same.

Hey, since my employer says that I am 'mentally unfit' and 'disabled' then why not file Social Security 'disability'.  SSA ruled that I am not 'disabled'.  I used that SSA determination in my defence - it was among a handfull of psychological papers all sustaining my mental stability.

I appealed my firing and won; that was a surprise.  The agency was ordered to restore me to my job; they refused.  I went so far as to show up for work one day and my agency blocked me from taking my desk.  I filed my six month 'notice'.  It gave me time to think.  I decided that further fighting the firing was not in my cards this time.  If I continued fighting and the next level of appeal ruled for the employer, then I'd be in a deeper hole without any legal assistance and have more work to get out.  Whereas, I always have my piece of paper that says I won.

I was stupid and naive the first time, and I got lucky (1983).  I was a little wiser the second time and knew my course was futile despite my legal 'victory' (2010).  Fighting the state employer, my lawyer ditched me at the last moment.  I could not get any lawyer to come to my aid.  EEOC refused to accept my case.  The AFSCME union refused to defend me.  ACLU would not talk to me.  There are state and federal agencies and non-profits supposedly established to assist the 'disabled', yet they all refused assisting me.

That second time, I stept on the toes of the big boys and girls of both political parties when my counter-charges went public and this was their wrath against me.  I was told that I 'would never work again'.

My consolation was UI.  They again ruled that my state as employer conducted a 'hostile work environment' against me.

I got a sudden notice from SSA telling me to report to the state agency's hired gun psychologist for an appointment.  She made repeated hostile comments to me during our interview; lo and behold, she determined that I am 'disabled'.  SSA took her decision and placed me on disability.

So here I am, totally unemployable and receiving a meager SSA disability check until my employee retirement begins.

Epilogue:

I spent many days this year getting SSA to once and for all correct my file that they continually reverse.  I was at the SSA office three days during one week in July to correct my file after it was reverted each day after I was there.

Out of year-end curiosity, I went to SSA last week to enquire about the status of my SSA file.  This time I got to speak with a supervisor who was quite open to show my record as it appears on his computer screens.  We both laughed at the absurdity - there was the entire screen filled with line after line of changes flipping my record from Sharon / female to Nick / male and back again all throughout this year.  He made a copy of my passport and assured me that my file should not be reverted again.

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I am surprised no one would take up the case. I also find it odd napolitano did take your side. She should be ashamed of herself.


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iKate

Quote from: Jak of hearts on December 11, 2015, 02:01:03 AM
If you live in an area where there aren't protections for gender identity, and you come out at work, can you be fired just for being trans. I mean like without any other reason or excuse, just "you're trans?  Get out." I just feel like there would have to be more than that, that they would have to have a justifiable excuse.

Absolutely.

This is why we need an all inclusive Federal ENDA law which both parties have failed to pass.

This is also why local ordinances like HERO are important.

But yes, they can absolutely fire you for being trans. The EEOC has made a determination but that is so far really untested and they may try to pull a Kim Davis on us.

A lot also depends on your employer. I work for a company that no one would think would be supportive of me but they absolutely 100% are. If you can find one who supports you then all the better.

Also be a good employee. If you are good at what you do and indispensable, they will bend over backward to keep you.
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Sharon Anne McC

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Gertrude:

My then-supervisor regularly boasted she had inside connections to then-Governor Janet Napolitano.  So, nope, no help from the guv.

Equally disappointing was then-AG Terry Goddard.  In fact, he told me that the AG Office defends agency management against state employees who file grievances against their managers.  I received no support or assistance from either him or his office.

Nor any support from the in-coming Republican Governor Janice Brewer and AG Tom Horne.  That was because I stept on the toes of both political parties with counter-charges listing nearly 200 allegations of crimes and federal felonies committed by a wide swath of my agency's management and upper level employees.

As I posted in my original comment, my Director so boldly admitted under oath committing three more federal felonies; not once has any legal authority taken action against him.

As others posted to this thread, job performance is no guarantee of safety from being fired.  I received bonus awards for my superior performance streak of every consecutive quarter since May 1999.  I was agency 'Employee of the Quarter' for 4th Quarter 1999. I received at least one other agency-wide award.  I actually received an agency-wide award as a member of a work group who attained notable achievements in state government at essentially the same time my Director issued his separation papers to me shortly following that awards ceremony.  That hurt!

iKate:  Indispensibility was no support to keep me hired.  When I departed, the agency split my job into two separate jobs because I had been doing so much work of a singular nature for the State.  I watched as the agency had to repeatedly issue re-hire actions because no new employee stayed on the job for more than perhaps six to eight months until they either quit or transferred elsewhere.

I was also quite disappointed at all the public hot air from AFSCME, EEOC, ACLU, AZ Bar Association, and that wide variety of alphabet soup agencies all who refused to help.  I must have literally gone at least to 100 different legal entities through the course of the two years I pursued my efforts.  I have absolutely no regard for any of those organisations nowadays - NONE!  Not because they denied me but because who else are they denying that we never know.

I went throughout Phoenix and Tucson and took my Arizona story to every radio and TV station that had news departments.  Not one showed any interest but hey waddya expect from this right-wing Republican state.

I wrote letters to every - EVERY - member of the State Legislature and got zip.  Maybe my flood was a turn-off rather than a help yet not one member in any leadership role of either party took concern.

Among the lessons was how rank has its privileges.  I was again not quite high enough on Arizona's employee totem pole same as when I was fired from the Forest Service while a manager not only retained her position but rose in rank.

Futile?  Bitter?  Obviously!  I actually feel sorry for all those creeps who attacked this small potatoes so harshly.  I've moved on because I decided that there was nothing that would ever change them as erroneously absolute as that is; I have seen no change.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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Kova V

Yep, and if the people you work for are jerks about it, they can make your job harder/impossible to do and you can get fire for not being able to do your job. There are a million ways to skin a cat.
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