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Started by Female89, December 14, 2015, 07:36:11 AM

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Female89

Hello everyone, 

First of all, thank you for reading this. If you can take time to respond, even better. Please know that I don't mean to offend anyone, just in case I use terms that you guys are way more familiar with than myself, it's not meant to be impolite or disrespectful.

So, here is my story. I'm a 26-year-old female (by birth) and I never questioned my gender identity. I was a tomboy until I was 11 when I stopped as I felt more comfortable having girlfriends, sleepovers, I liked growing out my hair and fully identified as a female. I never had any psychological issues either. I was pretty happy.

When I was 17 or so, I went online posing as a guy I found attractive to talk to girls. It's become somewhat of an addiction. I did this for a long time. The thing is I'm still sexually confused and it bothers me - I have had crushes on men and women, generally, I find women to be more attractive, but I can't see myself with a woman sexually in real life, myself being a woman. I might try it, but what I'm saying is - I like my role as a woman and I dress and come across as really feminine, like flirting with guys and even though I rarely ever fall in love (I only did once with a guy), I always pictured myself with a man, having kids. I always knew that's what I wanted.

However, I don't feel comfortable opening up to men and while I've been with men sexually only and I don't like it, I continued my online thing as a man. It never really bothered me. I also "fell in love" with a couple of women. (In real life I don't, though) and that was enough for me. During this entire time, I never crossdressed or felt I wanted to be a man in real life. It was just that fantasy that I liked and it gave me little reason to look for a partner in real life, because I do have commitment issues anyway. So hiding behind a fake persona made it easier for me. The guy I posed as was someone I felt a lot of attraction to, but I'm also positive it's not the kind of attraction: oh, I want to be him! I liked him in a romantic, sexual and erotic way. This doesn't happen very often to me.

My issue, though, begins here: I was always fine and thought I would just wait until another guy comes along that I really like. I still want that. However, since last year, I've been suffering with anxiety. First it was all about cancer, losing family, never getting a job, etc - generalized anxiety disorder. This year I sought treatment when I developed self-harm OCD. That was in July. Now here comes the problem. If you're familiar with OCD, you might know that the theme of one's obsessions frequently or infrequently changes. In September I was lying in bed and my harm OCD had been away for a day or two, all of a sudden I got this thought "Whaf if I have anxiety because I'm Trans?" I got scared, spent lots of time on the Internet, in support groups, talking to my therapist, saw a gender therapist, etc. Everyone said that it was OCD and that you cannot be what you fear so much. I had the horrid fear of being transgendered. I performed compulsions every 2 minutes. I checked myself in the mirror, worrying I looked too masculine, I was scared my mannerisms were too masculine, I asked my family members if I had ever said I wanted to be a boy and felt relieved when they said I never said it. I felt like I had no choice but to transition if I ever wanted to be happy again. I was also on forums like these and the thing is, transpeople told me "if you question, it's probably because you are". I tried work out if I was just in denial. It didn't feel right. Also, if you have OCD and your theme revolves around something you deeply fear - such as being Trans - of course you question, but usually, which made me feel relief as well, they told me that transpeople didn't fear being the opposite gender/sex. They fear the consequences of transition and the process and reactions of others. Most transpeople confirmed this to me. But my anxiety wouldn't subside. I think of chopping off my hair and I'm bawling my eyes out. I know I don't want to be a man and I'm scared that I don't have a choice and it's inevitable.

Now, my question is: I don't know what's wrong with me and what this makes me? Am I confusing reality with the online world when I assume that I would be able to find love more easily if I was a man in real life (because online it wasn't an issue), because now, as a woman, I don't fall for women. I find them attractive but I don't fall for them and I know I want to be with a man - I just don't fall for them often and rarely find a man attractive.
Is me posing as a man online a fantasy? Or does it mean I'm trans? I don't want to be trans and I don't want to be a man in any area of my life, I just have a feeling it would make things easier for me. Like, I think I would have more confidence (just like online). I compare everything to this online thing. And it gives me horrid anxiety that something is very wrong with me and that I need to transition. It's so much distress. And the thoughts are intrusive and make me cry and I'd give anything to feel like a complete female again.

I know some of you might not be familiar with this and will tell me I'm in denial and I just don't accept it. I've tried accepting it and it doesn't feel right and I can't even do a thing to make myself look less feminine. I want to keep my female body and I want to be able to wear heels and skirts still and wear make-up, but my OCD tells me it's a lie. But when I try to give up and say "Ok, I'm trans" it doesn't change a thing. I told my family, my friends, my therapist, the gender therapist; everyone - they all said I wasn't trans and they all said that it wouldn't be an issue if I was and why it causes me so much distress. To me it would be the end of the world.

I want to know - is there another explanation for me posing as a guy and feeling romantic and sexual attraction towards women as I imagined myself as the very guy I was posing as, than being transsexual or transgender? This has really ruined my life and it's on my mind 24/7 and I don't know what it means and what that makes me... I question my entire life now when I was fine and happy before and didn't put as much thought into it.

If appreciate it if you could help me with this or give some advice... Thank you so much!
Lisa
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Catherine Sarah

Hi Lisa,

Thank you so much for trusting in us to reveal your concerns the way you have. I, in particular can see your dilemma, however you have actually travelled the road and have a far greater understanding of it's effects on you than I can.

With the depth of understanding and your ability to explain it in such detail, I could only say that if the therapist you have already seen about it hasn't given you a satisfactory explanation, then sadly you may have to seek another. One that can give you understanding.

This can be a common occurance in any community. The Trans community is no different. Some therapists get it, some don't.

I'm sorry if I couldn't be of more help to you. I feel it a more specialist matter, unless there are others here who have experienced exactly what you're going through.

No matter what, we are here for you. Don't be a stranger,keep in touch and let us know how you're coping. Hopefully there will be someone here with greater appreciation than I.

Speak to you as soon as I empty the dishwasher.

Huggs
Catherine




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Catherine Sarah

Oh !! By the way,

Hi Lisa,

A big Aussie welcome to Susan's family. It's good of you to drop in and say "Hi". Hope you like it here, and you stay for a while.

There is a mountain of information, resources and friendship waiting for you here, you just need to jump in start talking and ask any question you like. You're quite safe here and we are very accepting.

I think I've said it all in the preceding post.

Looking forward to hearing more of your story in time to come, but in the meantime, be safe, well and happy.

Speak to you as soon as polish the silverware.

Lotsa huggs
Catherine




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Laura_7

Hello and welcome  :)

There are a few misconceptions, an explanation might really help you.

First being transgender simply means gender variant behaviour.
Here is a graph:
https://transaustin.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/transumbrella.jpg

This all is a spectrum.
Its up to you where you feel comfortable, and you might take the time you need.
There is a huge spectrum from people crossdressing occassionally to full transition.
A therapist aquainted with gender issues could help you. A supportive gender therapist.

There are local therapists, some might offer online services:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,162888.msg1400316.html#msg1400316

and there are online therapists:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,187135.0.html

You additionally might look at how things make you feel...
starting with a few small things, changes to hair and clothing styles... I'd say go with a feeling of joy...

This might help:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,188309.msg1674885.html#msg1674885

then being transgender and sexual orientation is seperate...
there are transgender people who are gay, bisexual and straight... so its all possible...
I'd say just look at how people make you feel...
and some people additionally need an emotional connection first...


hugs

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Female89

Hello, thank you :)
Believe me, I am really familiar with what transgender means and that it's a spectrum and that sexuality has nothing to do with it.
I was just hoping someone could read my post and respond to the mood I convey in this post. I don't even want to be gender variant. I want to be cis. Haha. But yes, this online thing makes me question everything, but I'm sure I wouldn't feel comfortable cutting my hair and starting to cross-dress. And that's where my OCD comes into play - I guess that's where transpeople become confused because it sounds like denial or internalized transphobia, but really, with OCD and the theme of being trans, it's a completely different story as OCD can make you believe everything. It will attach to your emotions and create the worst possible outcome and the biggest fears possible. I feel like my fear of being a man and the lack of desire of wanting to be a man means I'm not Trans, but my OCD will latch onto everything that scares me. And being a man scares me. I will perform lots of compulsions to make myself feel more feminine and check on myself 24/7. It's very frustrating.

But please, keep those comments coming and I'd be really happy to read your comments! :)
Thanks everyone!

Lisa
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Laura_7

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Quote from: Female89 on December 14, 2015, 09:31:16 AM
Hello, thank you :)
Believe me, I am really familiar with what transgender means and that it's a spectrum and that sexuality has nothing to do with it.
I was just hoping someone could read my post and respond to the mood I convey in this post. I don't even want to be gender variant. I want to be cis. Haha. But yes, this online thing makes me question everything, but I'm sure I wouldn't feel comfortable cutting my hair and starting to cross-dress. And that's where my OCD comes into play - I guess that's where transpeople become confused because it sounds like denial or internalized transphobia, but really, with OCD and the theme of being trans, it's a completely different story as OCD can make you believe everything. It will attach to your emotions and create the worst possible outcome and the biggest fears possible. I feel like my fear of being a man and the lack of desire of wanting to be a man means I'm not Trans, but my OCD will latch onto everything that scares me. And being a man scares me. I will perform lots of compulsions to make myself feel more feminine and check on myself 24/7. It's very frustrating.

But please, keep those comments coming and I'd be really happy to read your comments! :)
Thanks everyone!

Lisa

Well OCD gives kind of a compulsory feeling...
would it help you if you would try out a few things, and see how it feels...
and in general try to relax and come down... so you have a feeling for what you really feel, what comes from within you and gives you joy... and makes you a bit happy...

so this OCD stuff gets a bit less...


hugs
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Catherine Sarah

Hi Lisa,

I'm learning to appreciate you more and more. Your explanation of how the OCD latches onto fears, almost giving them an energy of their own.

By comparison I saw the way ice cream would affect my children. During the day, ice cream wasn't an issue. However after 5:00pm, when they're energy was at a different level and hormones changing with the onset of night, the sugars in ice cream would send them hypo, over the moon, and they wouldn't settle till after 10:00 pm. Probably a poor comparison, but the concept is still there.

The way your OCD manifests is probably slighty different to mainstream OCD. As though it has just a little something different to augment it's demeanour.

Again, the only effective resolution, apart from finding someone with the identical situation, would be to find a therapist who can successful work with you in it's understanding and resolve of the issue.

Speak to you as own as I swat this mozzie.

Huggs
Catherine




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Female89

While OCD might not be necessary, it's not a choice. I have it and I have different themes - technically, it's impossible to have OCD with a fear of being trans theme and actually be trans, but it feels very real.
That's exactly why you shouldn't experiment and find out what you like because your OCD might trick you into liking it. People with the fear of being homosexual are rarely homosexual - they fear it - and while they suffer from OCD they will think and believe they like the same sex when they don't.
I have to go by empirical evidence and say that I never liked dressing as a man and never wanted to cut my hair short and I still have no desire to do it and yet my OCD will tell me I do. But with OCD you think you have secret desires when you don't.
That's why it's difficult. And it's also difficult for transpeople to understand because they will usually tell me: yes, you're trans! because they don't know what TOCD is. I know transpeople with OCD who are scared of being cis.

I wish this was something that could be taken into account.

I don't want to be a man. And I don't want to live my life as one. I'm scared of it. But yet, the fear won't go away. It causes me a lot of stress and before this theme appeared I was happy with who I am and being a female.
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FTMDiaries

Hi Lisa, and welcome! :)

I'm sorry to hear you're struggling with this.

I'd strongly recommend you go back to whichever professionals are treating your OCD and insist they investigate why these thoughts are intruding so badly. It does sound like you may be experiencing an OCD episode and I'd urge you to get this treated before doing anything else. Once that's under control, if at that point you wish to transition you can of course investigate it again with a qualified gender therapist. Every gender therapist worth their salt will insist that any other mental health issues are under control before they'll refer you for any gender-related treatment.

Many people - cis or trans - develop fake personas online for various reasons. One of the reasons why many women develop male personas online is because they've experienced sexual harassment in online forums and posing as male online is a good way to avoid this, particularly in gaming forums. Some others are attracted to women but have difficulties with accepting the social and cultural implications of that fact, so they might feel the only way they can get women to talk to them is to pose as an attractive man. That doesn't mean that they're trans and/or need to transition.

You say you've been with men sexually but didn't like it, and that you've fallen in love with women and are attracted to them but can't see yourself with a woman sexually in real life because you're a woman. Is it possible that you're experiencing some internalised homophobia which makes you find it distasteful for a woman to be sexually attracted to another woman? In all honesty, something as simple as that could be at the root of the entire problem.

Not many people realise that there is a difference between romantic attraction and sexual attraction, i.e. who you fall in love with and who you want to have sex with. For most people these will be the same thing, but there are people who, for a variety of reasons, may be romantically (but not sexually) attracted to women and sexually (but not romantically) attracted to men and vice versa. It might be worth investigating where you stand on these issues... but whatever you decide, your body is your own and it should never be altered (or indeed, kept the way it naturally formed) just for someone else's benefit or preferences.

You seem to identify as a woman because you mention it many times in your posts, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that you're cis. You also say you've seen a gender therapist who says you don't have GD. Based on your posts I'd be inclined to agree with them, but if you're not satisfied with their diagnosis you're always welcome to seek out a second opinion at any time. But please seek further treatment for your OCD first.

Best of luck, and I hope you find some peace & quiet from this anxiety soon.





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Laura_7

I changed the wording from the last posting so its better understandable.

is it possible to identify what comes from OCD... like being forced... or under pressure...

so you can distinguish between what you really like and feel... and what seems to be forced...

like in a quiet moment.. what really gives you joy...

would it help to reduce overall stress level and anxiety ?
Like not planning too many activities... no activities are not good either...
maybe havind regular exercises or a walk...
and maybe some quiet moments during the day... for example a hot cup of tea...


hugs
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BeverlyAnn

Lisa, let me ask a question.  You mentioned self harm.  Did that cease when you began thinking the thoughts about transgender?  The reason I ask is my great-neice was a cutter.  However, as soon as he came out to his family and his girlfriend as male, the cutting simply stopped.

You said you didn't like the thought of cutting your hair.  At one time, the company I worked for had a regulation against men having long hair.  One of the guys I worked with did have long hair but his wife styled a wig to meet the company's hair regulations and he wore it at work.  You might think of trying the same thing with a wig and dress androgynous or maybe a little masculine just to see how you react.  That way nothing has really changed but you can "try out" the role.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. - Oscar Wilde



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Female89

Okay, I have to make a few things clear. I know it's hard for transpeople to understand trans-OCD.
I was very satisfied and relieved when the therapist told me I wasn't trans and that he was absolutely sure about it because he treats 5-6 people with GD everyday and none of them feel how I feel.
I don't want to be seen as a man, in fact, I do anything and perform compulsions to be seen as female.

Yes, it might be internalized homophobia, because I'm shy, but I also know sexually I'd like to be with a man, he just has to know what I want. And very few men do.

About the self-harm OCD. No no and no.
It was in no way related to feeling GD. I'm saying this because I NEVER had GD or felt I should be a man before a sudden intrusive thought.
Let me explain what self-harm
OCD is. It doesn't mean that you hurt yourself. I have never cut or hurt myself. It means that you get an intrusive thought, such as "What if I jump off a building?" Even if you have no reason to do that, the thought won't leave, it will stay and repeat itself over and over and you give validity to the thought and think if you think so much about it must be true. But it's not. Thus, I will never harm myself. I was scared of it. Same with the Trans OCD. One day, the thought just popped up in my head and my OCD latched onto it and I kept obsessing over it. It replaced the self-harm obsession.
OCD means you are scared of something that is irrational and not typical of you, but it feels really real.

So, I know you're trying to help and I asked for help as well, but you need to understand that OCD makes things you fear appear real (such as being trans) but it's highly unlikely that this is reality.
So when I say "I feel masculine" it sounds like "Oh, she wants to be a man - she's Trans", but with OCD, it's different. You will feel like a man because you fear it so much but the feeling is anxiety and it's created by OCD.

Also, I'm terrified once the OCD gets taken care of that I'll find out I'm trans.  But I want to be cis. My therapist said I will find out I'm a woman once this issue is treated, even if it doesn't feel like it. She said transpeople don't need to obsess over the fact that they're Trans - once they know they are, have an epiphany or wherever, they stop questioning and know they are. They also don't fear being the opposite gender. They want to BE it. I fear it like there's no tomorrow. I want to feel like myself again. Like a real woman. I don't care if I'm gay or straight - I just want to stay a woman. And she said that's all that matters. It's what I want. Not what OCD tells me I want.

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Female89

Beverly, hun, I know you probably think I'm a b**ch and I'm crazy and whatnot. But let me explain this... I have no desire to cross-dress. And it's not recommended with OCD because my OCD will make me feel that I might like it when I don't. Just the way I fear looking too masculine and everyone tells me I don't. So what cross-dressing would do it feed the obsession. People with homosexual-OCD all of a sudden feel attraction to the same sex when they never did before. And they get TERRIFIED. A gay person wouldn't be terrified of feeling this way because it's who they are.
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lostcharlie

Lisa, Have read through your posts several times and it seems to me your struggles revolve more around your sexual identity and not your gender identity. That being said take it with a grain of salt as i'm no expert. My suggestion would be to try therapy again. You might need to do some searching to find someone who has experience working with people who are having the kind of internal conflicts that your going through. I wish you the best of luck in finding some resolution and peace.
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FTMDiaries

Lisa

There's not much more I can say, but I will say this: we're all multi-faceted people with a variety of health needs. Some of us actually do have OCD diagnoses and are fully aware of the condition and how it can manifest, and we'd like to help you find appropriate help.

Quote from: Female89 on December 14, 2015, 06:01:08 PM
So, I know you're trying to help and I asked for help as well, but you need to understand that OCD makes things you fear appear real (such as being trans) but it's highly unlikely that this is reality.

Yes, I know - I've struggled with managing my own OCD for decades, as have quite a few people here. Hence why I'm urging you to go back to your therapist and seek further treatment for your OCD. You may benefit from some ERP, Cognitive Therapy or medication - please urge your therapist to help you explore your options. Whilst everyone is welcome here, I'm concerned that your being here might be feeding your OCD and it might not be beneficial to you in the long run because it will give your intrusive thoughts a certain amount of perceived validity.

Quote from: Female89 on December 14, 2015, 06:01:08 PM
Also, I'm terrified once the OCD gets taken care of that I'll find out I'm trans.  But I want to be cis. My therapist said I will find out I'm a woman once this issue is treated, even if it doesn't feel like it. She said transpeople don't need to obsess over the fact that they're Trans - once they know they are, have an epiphany or wherever, they stop questioning and know they are. They also don't fear being the opposite gender. They want to BE it. I fear it like there's no tomorrow. I want to feel like myself again. Like a real woman. I don't care if I'm gay or straight - I just want to stay a woman. And she said that's all that matters. It's what I want. Not what OCD tells me I want.

Your therapist is pretty much on the money here. So please, work with her to get this episode under control. And then whatever happens after your OCD has been taken care of can be dealt with from a much stronger position.

I'm going to have to duck out of this thread now because I'm starting to find it triggering, but I wish you the very best and I hope you can find the solution you need.





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