Is it possible to be less than passable and still be femininely beautiful.

[rachel89]

What are your thoughts. Is it possible to posses features that say "obviously trans" nut still  be pretty.

[Ms Grace]

Absolutely 100% yes. A lot of beauty really does come from other factors anyway... confidence, charm, the right clothes, the right presentation, it has nowhere near as much to do with looks as you'd think.

[Rainbow Bay]

Of course #transisbeautiful! Everyone can be pretty boys, girls, cispeople, transpeople. <3

[Devlyn]

Absolutely! Look at some of the women on this crossdresser site. http://www.crossdresser.com/crossdressing-clothes

I'm gonna put my hand way up in the air and let it known that I like a woman with some man in her look. 

Hugs, Devlyn

[Angélique LaCava]

Last week I met 6 guys at a bar n they all said it was obvious I was transgender but said I make a beautiful girl so I hav no clue. I don't see how someone can be obvious but still make a pretty girl unless it's things other than ur face that gives u away.

[itsApril]

Yeah, it's a funny thing, but beauty and passibility (is that a word?) are two things that are only partly related.  The world is full of natal xx women whose gender is never questioned for a moment, even though plenty of them are perfectly plain, or funny-looking, or even downright ugly.  Nobody challenges their gender even though they're not beautiful.  (And certainly, nobody should!)

And then there are some transwomen I know who have great features and great presentation who are perceived as clearly trans.  I guess some of it is their mannerisms.  Also, some of them aren't necessarily interested in passing anyway.  They are open about who they are and where they came from, and they like it that way.  To each her own!

[suzifrommd]

What are your thoughts. Is it possible to posses features that say "obviously trans" nut still  be pretty.

I know some very beautiful trans women who don't pass.

[stephaniec]

my twin sister Greta Garbo and I have to say yes

[Wild Flower]

Beauty is such a hard thing to judge. To some beauty is all inner.

Watch this actress, and how she spends her time with this autistic man. That is beauty to me. (skip to 1:10)

[Wednesday]

Yeah, it's a funny thing, but beauty and passibility (is that a word?) are two things that are only partly related.  The world is full of natal xx women whose gender is never questioned for a moment, even though plenty of them are perfectly plain, or funny-looking, or even downright ugly.  Nobody challenges their gender even though they're not beautiful.  (And certainly, nobody should!)

I like so much logical approaches like this one.

In fact passability does not imply necessarily beauty. Beauty does not imply necesarrily passabilty. 

A single trait like a prominent adam's apple can give you away even while it is a feature that has a ridiculously small impact (if any) on beauty.

[Moomin]

Absolutely yes! The toxic socialization  of passing = beauty and not passing trans women are some how less feminine makes me sick. All women are beautiful, cis, trans, non binary the whole spectrum of those who identify as female. We might say or do ugly things, but we are all beautiful no matter what anybody says Xxx

[Lady_Oracle]

meh the whole mannerism thing really doesn't help passing. I pass like 500% of the time and my mannerisms aren't perfectly feminine, no cis woman I know isn't either. Its a mix of both masculine and fem unless like you go to some school or get personal instruction on how to be a "proper lady" like that musical lol But what does really help though is proper posture.

Anyways to the topic's discussion yeah you totally can be. I feel like our community is slowly but surely changing beauty standards anyways. Either way though if someone is into you, it doesn't matter about your looks maybe initially but in the end they will find you absolutely beautiful regardless.

[Sharon Anne McC]

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Let me try to answer your question from the opposite perspective.

There was a time when I was totally oblivious during my final time in 'male fail'.

People at work at my federal agency for certain saw me as F-M when that was the gossip that followed me from one job location to another at a different state and then two subsequent duty stations at the same metropolitan region.

There I was still holding to the final remnants of 'male', afraid to make that last change, not thinking well enough of my own self-confidence, yet others perceiving me as female rather than 'male' as I was trying to present at the end of my M-F transition.

That made life a bit confusing for the later times post-transition when someone mis-gendered me.

Surely I was appearing or doing something correct when being mis-gendered as female while 'male', so what was I not doing when I was mis-gendered 'male' now that I became full-time female?  AGH!

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[Lyric]

Not only is it possible to look femininely beautiful while still being obviously male, it's becoming fashionable. There's a whole category of fashion models these days who do androgynous model work. They usually have very feminine faces and thin forms, but often do not try to "pass" in their model work, at least. Often they'll pose with their shirt open, obviously exposing their masculine chests-- while appearing to be a beautiful woman otherwise. It's fascinating trend and I'll be interested to see how and if it trickles into the real world.

[iKate]

I'm sure you know this but beauty != passability.

[Tessa James]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  This sage commentary tells us a great deal about perspectives eh?

from the internet:
The person who is widely credited with coining the saying in its current form is Margaret Wolfe Hungerford (née Hamilton), who wrote many books, often under the pseudonym of 'The Duchess'. In Molly Bawn, 1878, there's the line "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", which is the earliest citation that I can find in print. 

[Stevie]

  Physical beauty will cause more people to look at you and will result in some men leering at you. Young girls have to deal with this greater scrutiny much more than older women do, as standards of beauty are much higher for young people. Physical beauty may get get you an initial pass, but if you are not confident and project a feminine aura it may not last.

[Lyric]

I'm sure you know this but beauty != passability.

Your viewpoint seems to be the rather conservative view of feminine beauty shared by many transsexuals (as well as the public at large, I suppose). I've seen many, many examples of femininly beautiful males who are making no effort to pass. I suppose acceptance of androgynous beauty is growing slowly, but it is growing and I welcome it. I sometimes wonder if as many of you will choose the full "transition" route if and when androgyny becomes a fairly common and accepted thing. Aside from physical transition, of course, would there need to be a transition if you always worn eye shadow and high heels anyway? Would there be such a thing as "passing" if many males already wore feminine hairstyles and clothes? I wonder.