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Started by KayXo, December 17, 2015, 06:05:30 PM

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KayXo

I thought some of you would be interested in knowing my test results considering I take higher than traditionally prescribed doses (I'm post-op). These are prescribed by my family doctor with the approval of my endocrinologist. These values were requested by a new doctor (who wrote a book on female hormones) who is now part of my team. She insisted on measuring them although I disagreed for most things as I deemed they were unnecessary but I went along...it's free for me. I live in Canada.

I take Estradiol Valerate by intramuscular injection, every 5 days and progesterone orally twice daily, always with food.Test taken on day 5, just before my next injection. 12 hours after last meal and last dose of progesterone.

Lipids all good (I eat low carb, high fat):
Triglycerides and LDL normal
HDL high (good!)
T cholesterol/HDL normal

C reactive protein slightly high at 11.3 mg/L, also above 10 last time tested. Normal range under 10. Last time with values over 10, my doctor was not alarmed. It seems a little above 10 is nothing to worry about. Perhaps this is due to injury to tissues from injection? I don't know.

Coagulation factors normal:
INR 0.9 Normal 0.8-1.2
PT 10.2 Normal 9-13

Despite high levels of estradiol, coagulation factors are normal.

TSH 2.19 Normal 0.4-4.5

FSH 0.2
LH less than 0.1, as expected

SHBG is higher than 200 nmol/L. This is typical of values seen in pregnant women. Due to estrogen.
Prolactin also high at 87.3 ug/L. Typical again of pregnant women. Due to high estrogen, not pituitary tumor which would be the case if no factor could account for the rise in prolactin. Prolactin remains quite high in women who breastfeed their children.

Estradiol 5122 pmol/L or 1,395 pg/ml. (day 5, before injection)

On days 3, levels measured in the last year and a half have been around 2,300-3,800 pg/ml, last test was 2,300 so a significant drop by day 5 already. Interestingly, soon after switching to EV 5 days instead of 7, my levels were at around 3,800 on day 3; at the time was taking half the progesterone I'm taking now. 10 months later, on day 3, and current progesterone dose and weighing about 5-6 lbs heavier, my levels were at 2,300. Was the decrease due to the increased progesterone, the increase in subcutaneous fat in glutes making it so less is injected in muscle and more in fat or just a result of normal fluctuations over time? Who knows?

Progesterone 41.6 nmol/L or 13.1 ng/ml (12 hours after last taking) which indicate to me that peak levels (first couple of hours) must be quite high.

Androstenedione to be confirmed
DHEA-S 5.3 umol/L, in the middle of range (1.7-9.2)
Total testosterone very low at 0.3 nmol/L (8.6 ng/dl), decreased from last time at around 20 ng/dl on EV every 7 days. This seems to indicate that adrenals are pumping less androgens now, precursors to testosterone.
Free and bio-available T, too low to measure because of so high SHBG

*Whoever said that progesterone increases androgen secretion/levels can clearly see from this that this is not the case. I take a high dose of progesterone and my levels of T are the lowest they've ever been! Progesterone is also NOT androgenic in the sense that it doesn't activate androgen receptors.*

Cortisol (taken before 9am) HIGH at 771 nmol/L (172-497). This is why progesterone's sedative effects are so beneficial to me. This shows I'm quite anxious/stressed. And this can account for some of the still persisting health/physical problems I'm experiencing.

Insulin is great at 52 Normal 15-180 pmol/L. Not surprising since I consume very little carbs.
IGF (insulin growth factor) not yet measured, to be confirmed.

Vitamin D and Hemoglobin also normal.

PSA less than 0.1, obviously! I told my doctor. :)

Everything else normal.

To conclude, the only thing that is really out of range and should be addressed is the high cortisol. I will decide with doctors what is the best option for me.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Laura_7

Great.

So as conclusion:
-you feel very good
-there is no anti androgen needed


*hugs*
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KayXo

Not quite. The high cortisol is reason for concern and will be addressed by doctors. This is why I still feel quite anxious at times and fatigued due to the anxiety. But, I feel better on this regimen than when I was on oral estradiol, that's for sure and progesterone is very beneficial to me. The cortisol might also explain why I also have a hard time shedding the extra few pounds.

Anti-androgens aren't needed as I'm post-op. ;)
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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KayXo

I just realized something ...cortisol is normally higher in pregnant women because of higher estradiol levels increasing cortisol binding globulin and thus increasing cortisol secretion due to decreased negative feedback at the pituitary gland. So I'm in the clear! :) All is good.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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KayXo

To follow-up on my test results, I got my results for Day 3 after injection, 2 days before the above mentioned results.

First, it's interesting to note how most everything fluctuates quite a bit from one day to another. For instance, on day 3, C-reactive protein is back in normal range whereas on day 5, it's slightly above. Same for lipids, glucose and insulin which are slightly higher on day 3 than day 5 but still within range. Liver panel, coagulation factors (including APTT) still perfectly normal despite very high levels of estradiol and progesterone. Testosterone levels still low.

Interestingly, on day 3, I have results for androstenedione 6.4 nmol/L (range 2.6-11) and DHEA-s is lower at 3.9 umol/L vs. 5.3 for day 5.

Cortisol remains high at 799 nmol/L (vs 771 on day 5).
Prolactin at a whopping 130 ug/L (vs. 87.3 on day 5).
Estradiol 9296 pmol/L (2,532 pg/ml), drops at 5122 pmol/L (1,395 pg/ml) on day 5.
Progesterone 63.5 nmol/L (20 ng/ml) drops at 41.6 nmol/L (13.1 ng/ml) on day 5 although this drop is unexplained because I take the same dose of progesterone every day (?). In both cases, was measured 12 hours after last dose of progesterone.

SHBG still high, above 200 nmol/L.
TSH slightly higher on day 3 at 2.82 mU/L vs 2.19 on day 5.

The other difference noted on day 3 is the slightly above values of red blood cells (RBC), Hematocrit and Hemoglobin.

Awaiting results for 1,25 Vitamin D, insulin growth factor and androstenedione (only day 5).
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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PrincessDayna

With cortisol that high I have to ask: did you get your labs done in afternoon or morning? If that is your morning numbers? You should ask for a cortisol stim test.
"Self truth is evident when one accepts self awareness.  From such, serenity". ~Me  ;)



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KayXo

Both times, these were my morning (before 9 am) results. Why a cortisol stimulation test? To find out if adrenal glands are responding properly? I actually am meeting with my doctor tomorrow.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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JLT1

How long ago was your GCS surgery?

Jen
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PrincessDayna

correct- to determine if there is an issue between adrenal glands and processing of hormones that may or may not be causing that spike. I wonder what it lowers to in the evening?
I did not glance- what was your progesterone levels with that test/ last levels?
The stim test sees how the adrenal glands process hormones, more specifically, the androgen precursor which can cause all sorts of funky things to happen when cortisol levels are involved.
Do you crave salt a lot? What AA ( if any) are you one?
Do you get weak/tired/sick/sore easily? If so do you break out in rash/hives? Black outs/weak/lethargy with confusion of surroundings?

Trying to feel out your situation, could be LOCAH (late onset CAH).
"Self truth is evident when one accepts self awareness.  From such, serenity". ~Me  ;)



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KayXo

Quote from: JLT1 on January 07, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
How long ago was your GCS surgery?

December 2005. Was just my 10 yr anniversary a few weeks ago. :)

Quote from: PrincessDayna on January 07, 2016, 09:53:32 AM
I wonder what it lowers to in the evening?

It was tested about a year ago around 3-4 pm, without fasting and levels were normal, in the middle of normal range.

Quotewhat was your progesterone levels with that test/ last levels?

20 ng/ml on day 3 after EV (estradiol valerate) injection, 12 hours after last oral progesterone dose (I take it twice daily)
13 ng/ml on day 5 after EV, just before my next injection, 12 hours after oral P

I take the same dose of P every day.

QuoteThe stim test sees how the adrenal glands process hormones, more specifically, the androgen precursor which can cause all sorts of funky things to happen when cortisol levels are involved.

DHEA-S and androstenedione are all in normal range for female.

QuoteDo you crave salt a lot? What AA ( if any) are you one?

I crave salt when I'm anxious. I don't take any AA as I'm post-op. I took Androcur for about 2 years pre-op and a almost for a full year, at lower dose, post-op.

QuoteDo you get weak/tired/sick/sore easily?

I get easily tired, yes, because of my anxiety. It seems I'm less able to cope with stress since SRS and things tire me, stress me out faster. Higher levels of estradiol and progesterone have somewhat helped me.

QuoteIf so do you break out in rash/hives?

YES! Especially following SRS (first two years), it was terrible, all over my face, neck, chest and now, every now and then but much less.

QuoteBlack outs/weak/lethargy with confusion of surroundings?

Never blacked out but weak, lethargic, yes and confusion/dizziness on a few occasions.

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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KayXo

Could there be a pituitary tumor, enlarged? As I have some of the symptoms...

- in my right eye, field of vision is not fully clear. Left eye is fine. I only started noticing this in the last few years. On a few occasions since SRS, I have had sudden blind spot appear in right or left eye which then graduates to blinking like mirage and finally vision coming back to normal. Called apparently ophthalmic migraine. Ophthalmologists have not found any anomaly with my eyes after all tests, except that dilation test was not done yet to check retina status.
- runny/drippy nose, again, definitely noticed this after SRS, days after...with left ear clogging since 2007 and doctors being unable, as of yet, to determine cause of clogging. It comes and goes, not constant and more so, in times of anxiety.

and all the rest described above.

Could Androcur be responsible? SRS? Or simply anxiety? When I take less progesterone which relaxes me and has sedative properties, I get more hives and my skin becomes more easily inflamed.

I'll discuss these concerns with my doctor tomorrow BUT your input is much appreciated. :)
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Laura_7

Quote
I get easily tired, yes, because of my anxiety. It seems I'm less able to cope with stress since SRS and things tire me, stress me out faster. Higher levels of estradiol and progesterone have somewhat helped me.

You might try to raise testosterone levels.

Total Testosterone
Female range  6 - 86 ng/dl

You had levels of 20 ng/dl . The double of this should not make for masculinization. But it could help much with overall energy levels.
You might discuss this with your doc. and try some topical gel or similar. It can be discontinued from one day to the next.


Good nutrition is also important (I'd say listen to some cravings ... those which make sense ...(not too much cookies :) ), and some kind of regular exercise.


hugs
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KayXo

My latest T levels were 8 ng/dl, they were 20 ng/dl, 1 yr ago.

I honestly considered the possibility of adding T but the risk is too great...voice lowering, new growth of hairs (having to go to electrolysis for hair removal, $$$), loss of head hair, acne (scars), etc...upon discontinuation, voice cannot come back, it's irreversible. Scars are permanent. I had bad acne when I was in my teens. Remember that my body will be extra sensitive to T now.

I agree with healthy eating ...I listen to my cravings. :) Exercise makes symptoms worse. :(
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Laura_7

Quote from: KayXo on January 07, 2016, 11:49:56 AM
My latest T levels were 8 ng/dl, they were 20 ng/dl, 1 yr ago.

I honestly considered the possibility of adding T but the risk is too great...voice lowering, new growth of hairs (having to go to electrolysis for hair removal, $$$), loss of head hair, acne (scars), etc...upon discontinuation, voice cannot come back, it's irreversible. Scars are permanent. I had bad acne when I was in my teens. Remember that my body will be extra sensitive to T now.

I agree with healthy eating ...I listen to my cravings. :) Exercise makes symptoms worse. :(

Talk to your doc about dosage with gel.
Like with patches it should be possible to get a rough calculation. So a small dose should not do too much. You might check levels within a few weeks.
Testosterone is a regular substance with cis women. They do not have much masculinization at menopausal levels either.
At least talk it through with your doc, it would help much imo.
You can start out very slowly and gradually rise levels.
The topical gels are available custom made. So you could start out very slow.

hugs
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KayXo

**UPDATE**

Met with my doctor today. We had a lengthy, passionate conversation. She deemed my test results to be fine and in range considering my hormone levels are higher. Cortisol levels are normally higher as estrogen levels rise so nothing out of the ordinary. The only thing we will be keeping an eye on is prolactin BUT this is not something she is overly concerned about because prolactin should be much higher when estradiol levels increase and the fact that only two days later, my prolactin levels dropped by 43 units, from 130 to 87. My higher (for me) than normal CRP (c-reactive protein) could be well be due to muscle injury occurring after intramuscular injections, causing increased inflammation. Numbers are still close to normal range. Precursors to androgens are normal and everything else seems fine. Nothing to worry about. We will redo test in 6 months.

We spoke about the possibility of adding testosterone since mine are low and I suffer from fatigue at times. She argued, and I agreed with her, that testosterone might not be the solution as CAIS individuals can lead quite active, lives despite being completely immune to the action of testosterone. She also mentioned how they are usually quite feminine, have beautiful hair and skin and a nice silhouette.

She also added that when prolactin levels rise and the pituitary gland enlarges, at times, it could put pressure on optic nerves causing some temporary changes in vision so that could explain the blind spot in my right eye. I am getting my pupils dilated later this week to make sure my retina is fine.

I have the freedom to somewhat play around with my progesterone and estradiol dose in the following months to see if any kind of change makes a difference in some of the symptoms I continue experiencing since SRS but most likely, the cause may be psychological more than hormonal. Hormonally, I'm not in harm's way. :)

She thanked me for my input, as well, since I sent her a few studies to look at. She plans to write a second book where she will mention those studies and revise her recommendations for women taking hormones. Yay! and she even said that she'll mention my name in the preface. Pretty cool...I'm honored!  ;D



I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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