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Started by StillAnonymous, January 03, 2016, 02:01:33 AM

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StillAnonymous

Hi everyone!

My parents told my siblings and I, when we were little, that they would not be able to accept us if any of us turned out to be LGBT.  Along the lines of "If you ever come here with a boyfriend or as a woman, then you can just turn around - you don't belong to this family and you are not welcomed here."  Damn...  Well, I am here.  I have known for as long as I can remember, and I knew that I had to keep it a secret being dependent on them and seeing social discrimination from others.  I've dabbled with the idea to them very passively and indirect, and they definitely do not take to it well even at recent times...  they also strongly affiliate with anything anti-LGBT.  Even my mother, who considers herself a Democrat and is an Atheist, seems to discriminate against LGBT.  She works with a transgender man whom she has known before as a female... she has made a lot of unfriendly comments about this person and makes a lot of terrible comments about Caitlyn Jenner too.  My father is religious, and the other family members outside of the intermediate are more religious.  I'm thinking they made these comments because they could already recognize some of this when we were younger... I've been told that I wore dresses even as a little kid, but they claim it's because it was cheaper than male clothing (I have no idea because I cannot remember that far back).

Now, I am independent and live away from them, but I still consider myself emotionally connected to them.  I visit them whenever I can even though I live far.  I've never been a very masculine person and have been misidentified by others before beginning HRT...

...  Given my circumstances... I'm not feeling like I am making a bad guess at it... that they will not take very well to my transition, but they will not be able to detect it immediately - I have some time.  I've already been talking to a therapist, but I'm switching to someone who is more specialize in this area and I will discuss with them about coming out.  In the mean time, I wanted to see what some of your opinions about it are, or approaches that you may have taken that I can consider and talk about with the therapist.



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LizK

I am not sure If can offer much in the way of personal experience but a couple of questions come to mind

Sounds like you are in for a hell of a ride if you come out to the family. Would you have any fears for your safety from them, and by that I simply mean are they more likely to try and get you into some kind of reparative therapy or more likely to disown you?

If you are safe enough from any harm and come out to them you are clearly prepared for outright rejection. If they find out "accidentally", would medical based evidence that this is out of you control and not a choice, help change their minds?but from what you have said it is likely to be difficult.

As far as practical approach...I think distance might be a good idea for you. Via Skype, Telephone, email, or text but I think from what you have said you need to be able to keep control of the conversation which is difficult to do in their house in their room on their couch sipping their coffee...maybe take them somewhere public to tell them.

Is there anyone in the extended family that might be sympathetic to your plight and would help?

Good luck

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Dana60

My parents have always had a very similar attitude to LGBT people as your parents, so I am in the same position of trying to work out how to come out to them. The main difference for me is that we are not overly close, and they live some distance away, so I only see them once a year or so.

Anyway, at the moment I am thinking about telling them via a letter (using the sample letter in this section as the starting point), as I feel that this best enables me to get everything across that I want to say. I am going to be going through my draft with my therapist when I next see her, so I'll see what she thinks of this approach.
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Sharon Anne McC


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Be prepared for the worst - the absolute worst.

Your entire family already rejected you; you describe them as having only conditional love for you as long as you fit their demands.  Your coming out will re-inforce their rejection.

The question is, 'How do you handle their absolute rejection?'.

Me?  My family knew my entire life - my extended family was fully aware of me and my constant 'feminine protesting' tantrums, fights, and arguments with them since I was at least age 3; then there was the dressing up and make-up.

As they grew accustomed to my protests and actions, I foresaw and developed the expectation of their rejection that proved accurate.  I made my own 'family'.  I did not close the door on them, I made them the ones to make the decision.

There was no surprise when immediate family and relatives saw me one-by-one as Sharon / female.  Nope, their responce was their absolute rejection - each and every one including my closest 'soul-mate' cousin. 

Sadly, my refrain to you is, 'Been there, done that'.  It hurts and you'll learn to deal with it.

I extend my heart and my hope to you for better, yet knowing that your results could be for the worst.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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StillAnonymous

Yes, Elizabeth: I live a safe distance from them, and independent of them.  There would be no way they could get me into some kind reparitive therapy - I'll probably be disowned.  My family members are not the most scientific, so I am not thinking evidence would sway them much.  I am thinking the most sympathetic members would be my siblings.  Outside of the intermediate family...  most of them are very religious

Thanks, Dana!  I am thinking a letter would be the safest route.  I will bring this up with the therapist.  I'm not forced to see my family, so if they were to completely reject me, it would mean that I wouldn't see them again or visit them a lot less than before (eg. once a year).

You're right, Sharon.  The conditional love part is what reeks.  In my opinion, all of my siblings and I turned out really great (I'm not entirely sure of their orientation - they might be hiding it too), so it is a bummer that their love is dependent on our gender and sexuality.

Thank you for the thoughtful responses!



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Dena

I don't have much to offer but given time, sometimes parents do come around. One thing you might want to look at is I wrote a coming out letter for children whose parents rejected their transgender side. Feel free to use the information in your discussion or alter the letter to match your needs.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,190312.0.html
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Gertrude

It amazes me when people put culture/religion before flesh and blood. They are children of an angry God. Pity them. All I can offer is to tell you to stay the course and live an authentic life. Caring too much what they think is buying into and honoring their parochial view of reality. It's your life.


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Tamika Olivia

You can't always get a good bead on people's reactions, even when they say some truly heinous stuff. My parents, I was absolutely certain they could not deal. When I was little, my dad used to tell us that if we came out as gay or if we dated outside of our "race" then we could expect to be disowned. He dehumanized trans people in stories and on television, and his reaction to Caitlyn Jenner was uncharitable at best. Mum cried when the Obergefell decision came down, because it caused so much dissonance within her. She wanted to see people happy, but she couldn't think it right.

I came out to them, knowing all those things, and the first thing they said was that they loved me and wanted me to be happy. Things took a bit of a dip for a month or two after that, we had lots of long and tearful conversations where they wanted me to "verify" my trans street cred before they would sign off. Then, like clouds parting, things got better. I stuck to my guns, and kept transitioning at my own pace. They accepted they couldn't control this, and that if they were to remain in my life, they would have to deal. They went to therapy, worked through their anxieties and issues. And things are great. I stayed with them over Christmas, and they used my proper pronouns. They've bought me proper girl clothes! They're interested and invested in my HRT.

The take aways are these:

1) Your parents are complex people. The opinions they express at arms length, while watching television or reacting to people in the world, are not necessarily the opinions they'll hold when it's you. It's easy to turn away your children in a hypothetical scenario, but something else entirely to do it in reality. It could still happen, can't lie on that front, but you never know until you try.

2) They need to know that you are in control, and you will exert that control with your presence. You don't have to have a relationship with anyone as an adult, even your parents. All associations are voluntary. When my parents were in the weeds, I distanced myself, and that scared them into a better place. It's scary, but once you're in touch with yourself, it's possible. Be prepared to lose them, and you're less likely to lose them forever.

3) Out is better. It's not an absolute, but living in the closet, even for the short time I did so when being out in my own head, is hell. It's anxiety and paranoia on repeat. Life may get rough, ties may unravel or break, but that's not just in LGBT land... that's life. Don't turn your back on your own life due to the fear of someone else's anger.
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FTMax

My dad and stepmom are both fairly religious. I came out as a lesbian years before I knew I was trans. They weren't happy about it and they didn't understand it. They never made any kind of comments about it or tried to change anything, but it was always kind of the elephant in the room that we just didn't talk about. I was very worried about coming out as trans, figuring that they would disown me. I knew I was trans at 17 and waited to come out or take any big steps towards transitioning until I was 25, partially because I was afraid of losing them.

But I was pleasantly surprised. I wrote them a letter and had planned to give it to them before leaving after a visit. But I got too nervous, started crying, and my dad demanded an explanation. So I told him. He was confused in a lot of ways, but apparently mostly as to why I was so upset. When I told him I thought he would disown me or ask me to leave and not come back, he seemed really taken aback. He and my stepmom spent a good hour apologizing for making me feel that way and assuring me that I was 100% supported by both of them.

I do think it's a good practice to write things out somehow (that you're trans, what that means to you, what you've experienced, what you intend to do, what you expect from them, etc.). It made it so much easier to explain to people after I had written it down once. Also, practice answering all of the common questions that people have so that you're not caught off guard or bothered by them. If you're the first trans person they've encountered, they probably won't have the sense to not ask invasive questions.
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rosetyler

Conditional love?  I left the Mormon Church about 3 years ago.  I rarely talk to my fam these days.  I feel your pain.  There's no easy way out.  It hurts like hell, but hurts less with every passing year.

Big hugs to you.  Being true to yourself is hard at times but worth it.
Be yourself.  Everyone else is already taken.   :)
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