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Started by AG, January 25, 2016, 06:46:12 PM

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AG

Hey All! ;D
This is my first time on these boards.

Short story : So I have my first official appointment with my doctor at Callen Lorde next tuesday . I got my blood work results 2 weeks ago because I was stressing out and couldn't wait 1 more month.
My question is : Does anyone on these boards presently go to Callen ? When did you get your hormones? Was it at the first official docs appointment?
Ive read that people have gotten their hormones on the first official appointment with their doc. If the blood work came back perfect, Im assuming you'd get your scripts then and there.

Please tell me what you think, I'm stressing about it. Btw I am 30 if age has anything to do with it

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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: AG on January 25, 2016, 06:46:12 PM
Hey All! ;D
This is my first time on these boards.

Short story : So I have my first official appointment with my doctor at Callen Lorde next tuesday . I got my blood work results 2 weeks ago because I was stressing out and couldn't wait 1 more month.
My question is : Does anyone on these boards presently go to Callen ? When did you get your hormones? Was it at the first official docs appointment?
Ive read that people have gotten their hormones on the first official appointment with their doc. If the blood work came back perfect, Im assuming you'd get your scripts then and there.

Please tell me what you think, I'm stressing about it. Btw I am 30 if age has anything to do with it

A :D
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I currently go to Callen-Lorde and they are awesome. I have Dr Eunmee Chun as my doctor and she is very easy to talk to and spends a lot of time with you on the initial (and every) visit. If the blood test seem OK, you will get your prescription on that day and can get if filled right downstairs (or sent electronically to your local pharmacist.) Normally you are given dose of HRT (both E and Spiro) and you come back in a month for another blood test to make sure there are no issues. IF everything OK (and 95% of the time it is) then you go on full HRT.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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AG

Hi Sydney!
You go there? Thats awesome! I picked them over APICHA :) I have my first appointment 2/2/15, I'm nervous AF

Thats what I wanted to hear! I requested my results 3 weeks ago because I wanted to check my T levels- I am on the low end ( Thank the rainbow) ;)
All my levels are perfect :D

You said you are usually given BOTH anti androgens and estrogen right away? I thought it was the T blockers first then you go on E?

Thanks for you input, I appreciate it :D
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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: AG on January 25, 2016, 07:37:48 PM
Hi Sydney!
You go there? Thats awesome! I picked them over APICHA :) I have my first appointment 2/2/15, I'm nervous AF

Thats what I wanted to hear! I requested my results 3 weeks ago because I wanted to check my T levels- I am on the low end ( Thank the rainbow) ;)
All my levels are perfect :D

You said you are usually given BOTH anti androgens and estrogen right away? I thought it was the T blockers first then you go on E?

Thanks for you input, I appreciate it :D

Yes you get both right away. Some endos (BTW, their HRT doctors are internal medicine doctors) do that and it's an older method of starting HRT. Callen-Lorde uses the newer WPATH standards of care. There are two reasons why E is given from the beginning. 1) To make sure there are no negative reactions to it. (and they will explain why) and 2) The endocrine system needs to be either E based (more E than T) and T (more T and E). If you too low on both sex hormones, you get brain fog, depression, loss of energy, etc.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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AG

That makes a lot of sense! Well I am low on T, but I don't feel any negative effects, so Im assuming that my T blocker dose won't be very high, but my E dose will be normal or a bit higher.

Did you feel the effect/see the changes faster? What method are you using?
Im torn between the pills/patch.

Any advice?
I wish I had support going, I don't know any others going through What I am  :embarrassed:
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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: AG on January 25, 2016, 08:07:41 PM
That makes a lot of sense! Well I am low on T, but I don't feel any negative effects, so Im assuming that my T blocker dose won't be very high, but my E dose will be normal or a bit higher.

Did you feel the effect/see the changes faster? What method are you using?
Im torn between the pills/patch.

Any advice?
I wish I had support going, I don't know any others going through What I am  :embarrassed:


I also came in with low T (low for male, but still in the male range since I have Kleinfelter's, mosaic). I was still given the same about of T blocker. Surprisingly my doctor had to up my E (and Finasteride) to bring my T further down and it worked well. They go by what your labs say to determine proper amounts, the goals is to get your levels all in the female range.

I don't believe they offer patches, but from everyone I know that uses them, the don't like them. The choice is normally pill or injection. (I do injection but started off the first 7 months on pills.) They will teach you self inject and it's pretty easy and not as scary as it sounds.

There are a number of support options both in Manhattan (The next one is next week), Brooklyn and here in NJ where I live. PM and I will tell you my experience with the ones I've gone to.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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AG

I used to be on Growth hormone( injections) this was about 10 years ago(?)
When I was younger I was on the super low end of the Male spectrum ( high voice) and such.
I went off that because my jaw shifted and I had major jaw surgery to fix it, my nose done and chin implant as well.
I am at 194 ( I forget the range of T in males )

For some reason I feel like my body will take super fast to the T blockers and E, because I get over illness super fast with meds, So lets see about this!
I remember Michael the NP saying they offer patches, but I would take the pill tho. I feel like the patch won't stay on anyway haha. I WILL NOT INJECT, I had to do EVERYDAY when I was on HRT with growth hormones.



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AG

I can't send a PM yet :(
You mean this thursday or next thursday? :D
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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: AG on January 25, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
I can't send a PM yet :(
You mean this thursday or next thursday? :D

This Thursday. You can probably PM now that you've posted enough but I'll PM my E-MAIL address to you.

Quote from: AG on January 25, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
I used to be on Growth hormone( injections) this was about 10 years ago(?)
When I was younger I was on the super low end of the Male spectrum ( high voice) and such.
I went off that because my jaw shifted and I had major jaw surgery to fix it, my nose done and chin implant as well.
I am at 194 ( I forget the range of T in males )

For some reason I feel like my body will take super fast to the T blockers and E, because I get over illness super fast with meds, So lets see about this!
I remember Michael the NP saying they offer patches, but I would take the pill tho. I feel like the patch won't stay on anyway haha. I WILL NOT INJECT, I had to do EVERYDAY when I was on HRT with growth hormones.

I can understand why you might not want to inject. Mine is a weekly routine. Patches (and injections) are preferred if you smoke, but smoking and HRT is a bad combo.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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AG

I mean if I didn't ruin myself, Id do injections :P needles don't bother me. The patches I know don't have a high rate of side effects .

But the pills I know I would totes like, since taking meds orally is no issue for me.

My email is : hairbyaronllc@gmail.com

I will send you an email there tomorrow  8)
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iKate

Hey AG. Congrats. I go to Mt Sinai Beth Israel and they follow the same standards.

I was on pills for about a year but started injections. My estrone levels (E1) were off the charts. So I asked to switch. It's not too bad.

Like you I had low T, I measured 185 or so when I first went in. I had tons of issues with fertility and my voice was high until I was about 17. I just wish I had medical intervention much earlier than I did. But better late than never, right?

I'm local so anything you need let me know. :)
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KayXo

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on January 25, 2016, 08:03:34 PM
There are two reasons why E is given from the beginning. 1) To make sure there are no negative reactions to it.

What negative reactions may happen in response to what I assume is bio-identical E? Are those reactions observed with non bio-identical forms and do they assume they might be the same with bio-identical E? Curious...

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on January 25, 2016, 08:57:55 PM
Surprisingly my doctor had to up my E (and Finasteride) to bring my T further down

Finasteride doesn't reduce T, just DHT. It might even actually slightly raise T.

QuoteThey go by what your labs say to determine proper amounts, the goals is to get your levels all in the female range.

Female range varies from less than 20 pg/ml to around 650 pg/ml during the menstrual cycle. Levels go up to 75,000 during pregnancy. Range is so wide that whatever level you end up with, even pre-HRT, you will be in female range.

Quote from: AG on January 25, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
I WILL NOT INJECT, I had to do EVERYDAY when I was on HRT with growth hormones.

You never know. These are also intramuscular injections, not subcutaneous and are usually done weekly. Sometimes, injections is the only way to get decent results. Time will tell. NEVER say NEVER. ;)




I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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AG


Hey AG. Congrats. I go to Mt Sinai Beth Israel and they follow the same standards.

I was on pills for about a year but started injections. My estrone levels (E1) were off the charts. So I asked to switch. It's not too bad.

Like you I had low T, I measured 185 or so when I first went in. I had tons of issues with fertility and my voice was high until I was about 17. I just wish I had medical intervention much earlier than I did. But better late than never, right?

I'm local so anything you need let me know. :)



Hey iKate ! Thanks for the post!
Which Mt Sinai are we talking about? I have a general consultation at the one on 14th, just to see what this doc is about.
Is there a reason you switched to injectables?
My voice was high too :( I hated it! But now I'm fine with it , but I still do wish it was lower tho.

I could use some shopping buddies =)
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AG

Quote from: KayXo on January 26, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
What negative reactions may happen in response to what I assume is bio-identical E? Are those reactions observed with non bio-identical forms and do they assume they might be the same with bio-identical E? Curious...

Finasteride doesn't reduce T, just DHT. It might even actually slightly raise T.

Female range varies from less than 20 pg/ml to around 650 pg/ml during the menstrual cycle. Levels go up to 75,000 during pregnancy. Range is so wide that whatever level you end up with, even pre-HRT, you will be in female range.

You never know. These are also intramuscular injections, not subcutaneous and are usually done weekly. Sometimes, injections is the only way to get decent results. Time will tell. NEVER say NEVER. ;)

HI KayXo ;D
You say sometimes injections are the only way? Any reason ?
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KayXo

Because injections give higher levels needed for some to properly feminize or/and due to malabsorption issues orally.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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AG

Quote from: KayXo on January 26, 2016, 04:56:54 PM
Because injections give higher levels needed for some to properly feminize or/and due to malabsorption issues orally.

Ah, Now I have to think about this
If I do shots weekly than I see no issue , just shots everyday like I used to sucked and made me hate injectables.

SO MUCH TO DECIDE >:-)
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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: KayXo on January 26, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
What negative reactions may happen in response to what I assume is bio-identical E? Are those reactions observed with non bio-identical forms and do they assume they might be the same with bio-identical E? Curious...

There is a very slight small chance that going on bio-identical estrogen can cause a tumor in the pituitary gland which will cause death after pro-long use. This is from a genetic mutation in the chromosomes that causes this with HRT. By going half dose for the first month, the blood levels are checked and if there is an elevated level of prolactin, then there is a danger of a tumor forming there and it's addressed.

Quote from: KayXo on January 26, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
Finasteride doesn't reduce T, just DHT. It might even actually slightly raise T.
By itself that is generally true, but combined with HRT the opposite happens while still reducing DHT. I asked the same question when she suggested it, but she has a lot of trans patients and she know more than most endos. When she increased my E and Finasteride while my Spiro remained the same, I dropped from 157 ng/fL of Testosterone (at 7 months HRT) to 15.2 ng/dL in 3 months. The test results proved her right.

Quote from: KayXo on January 26, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
Female range varies from less than 20 pg/ml to around 650 pg/ml during the menstrual cycle. Levels go up to 75,000 during pregnancy. Range is so wide that whatever level you end up with, even pre-HRT, you will be in female range.

That is true for E and they keep those level on the high end, but it's the T specifically they want in the female range which is 15-85 ng/dL
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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KayXo

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on January 26, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
There is a very slight small chance that going on bio-identical estrogen can cause a tumor in the pituitary gland which will cause death after pro-long use. This is from a genetic mutation in the chromosomes that causes this with HRT. By going half dose for the first month, the blood levels are checked and if there is an elevated level of prolactin, then there is a danger of a tumor forming there and it's addressed.

I believe what you are talking about is a prolactinoma, a BENIGN pituitary tumor that does not spread in the body. This has NEVER been observed with taking bio-identical estradiol only, whatever levels happen to be. The only instances where I have read this happens is when ethinyl estradiol, conjugated equine estrogens, DES and Androcur are taken.

Prolactin should increase as estradiol increases. This is perfectly normal. Women have very high prolactin levels during pregnancy and breastfeeding which together can last up to 4-5 yrs, especially traditionally. Then, sometimes, they go right back to being pregnant with high prolactin levels. If indeed this was problematic, ciswomen should have decreased in number with time.

The problem is non bio-identical forms of estrogen and cyproterone acetate (Androcur) which can raise levels ABNORMALLY. I have extensively researched this and all transcases involved non bio-identical forms and/or cyproterone acetate. NEVER bio-identical estradiol. As far as I know, pregnancy and breastfeeding also don't cause prolactinomas.

I'm afraid your doctor is feeding you wrong information. Please ask her to provide you studies. I doubt you'll find one where bio-identical estradiol without cyproterone acetate, without non bio-identical forms of E caused a prolactinoma.

QuoteBy itself that is generally true, but combined with HRT the opposite happens while still reducing DHT. I asked the same question when she suggested it, but she has a lot of trans patients and she know more than most endos. When she increased my E and Finasteride while my Spiro remained the same, I dropped from 157 ng/fL of Testosterone (at 7 months HRT) to 15.2 ng/dL in 3 months. The test results proved her right.

Not quite. You increased BOTH E and finasteride. E reduces T. This is why T decreased. Not because of finasteride, because of E. All studies clearly show finasteride only reduces DHT, there is no way for it to reduce T, it doesn't make sense.

QuoteThat is true for E and they keep those level on the high end, but it's the T specifically they want in the female range which is 15-85 ng/dL

High end for E during menstrual cycle is 400-600 pg/ml, if pregnancy is considered, 40,000-75,000 pg/ml.

Measuring T can be unreliable for a few reasons:
1) if total T, part of the T measured is not active as it is bound to SHBG
2) even if free or bio-available T, if you are taking an anti-androgen that blocks T, then part of T measured is blocked so not even effective. Test cannot determine this. :(
3) T fluctuates in time
4) sensitivity to T varies, so someone can do fine on 70 ng/dl, another one might fare better on 20 ng/dl.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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AG

Hi LADIES ;D

So I went to Zil Goldstein here in NYC
Have you all heard of her? Have you gone to check her out?

I had a general consultation today, we discussed hormones.
I got much more out of Callen than I did with Zil! <Not Permitted>
I feel like she didn't ask all the questions that I would have asked/been asked at Callen/Apicha
Also, I didn't feel like she was upbeat/ energetic , I could tell right off the bat! Im good like that .
What do you all think?

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