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Male crossdressers taking hormones

Started by MichelleT, October 06, 2007, 08:43:25 AM

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JodieBlonde

Quoteby: keira - I've known a few who didn't stop until they went too far
and one even had a breast reduction because it was causing too much problems,
not too mention his sperm count was shot to hell.

Let's discount sperm counts as base #1 right here..I don't think that subject is germane to this section...if you want kids, then ya gotta do it the old fashioned way...and I heartily suggest both a mother and a father in a solid-family oriented setting. There are too many screwed-up kids in the world. I am one of them...but you have to read my introductions to see where that comes from.

I am quite open minded, but I do not agree with raising children in a "Suzie/Tommy has two mommies" atmosphere. I see it as just wrong on many levels..

What is the word I am searching for..no time to Google it..is it "autogynophylia"? Maybe it is...but it is a rather powerful drawing into almost deifying the female form..so much so that a male child would seek physical changes to his own form out of reverence.

Hormones are just the tip of the iceberg. They are only a means to an end. The real brain-f occurs when we let things get to us.

In Loni's case, she had some serious physical damages that set things up..but that's not a fair enough reason for doing what she did. It opened an OPPORTUNITY...just like my childhood and the endo-doc in Long Beach who gave me step 2 in my own trip.

When one door slams it seems...another opens. Loni took the brass ring..so did I.

Many of us here would likely change from the rather more-or-less "unique" situation if we were given the option.

All of us want normalcy, whatever that is. If we didn't, why then would some desire to "pass"?

Pass to what? ....NORMALCY! To be perceived as a woman...intact and complete and it's no surprise that some go stealth after their GRS..they just fade away and get it on for the rest of their life.

Why do people want to change their physical profile? They seek acceptance. Acceptance by themselves, others, peers, wives, lovers, children, pandering to a psychosis....it's all there.

Being born in the wrong body already sets one up for mental gymnastics that are sometimes destructive. I proffer that that is NOT a typical lifestyle or even a type of normal existence. Being born in the wrong body sets us up for hatred, fear, loathing and sundry other things that would make Freud spin in his grave,

I herewith say that we are rather freakish (I'll explain that word in a moment..don't be offended please!) and not really the norm...be it that fateful moment of conception, a stray beta ray from Jupiter, that trimester's wash of the wrong hormones or maternal imprinting. Something made us what we are.

In my couple of years in college level psychology, we learned things that all boiled down to one simple concept: Find the cause; you've found the cure.

As for the "freakish" part. I am not normal. A mixed gender person is not normal. Here come da flames!

What then, is NORMAL?

Abilities for some to impregnate and others to be gravid. That's all...that's it. Simple.

If you decide to grow six pair of boobs on your back (makes it fun to dance!), or you want to shave your legs, or you want to wear lingerie and dresses and shoes and long hair and carry a purse..then that's just icing on YOUR personal cake.

All else is a turbid pot of genetic accidents, mutations and psychosis. Anything more is over-emphasized and over diagnosed. Thinking about someone else's trauma is nice, but it won't likely change what floats their boat.

I say enjoy what or whom you are..if you like a few adjustments to meet your mind's eye of what you are supposed to be or should look like or present as, then go for it. Do it wisely, with medical intervention... ...but you are responsible for your own life and appearances. It's more than dying your hair, wearing colored contact lenses or fake boobs or painting your toenails and staying in male. 

Now that I have a real pot boiler going here...let me say that I enjoy what and who I am..I also have a deep spiritual side to me that tells me that I will be repaired by a divinity who cares and will make me well.

I would not prefer that I could be more like the Marlboro man or whatever macho image is the societal norm... that would not work well for me right now, but that's my decision.

To those who want to dabble in hormones..hear me well...it's permanent and disfiguring..even though in my case..it's a blast!

When we make this sortta decision, IMHO,we should be well past the urge to reproduce.


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FirstOfMay87

I'd just like to look more feminine, but it seems like I won't be able to find an endo to help me out because I'm not ts.

You'd think that doctors would want to help patients get treatment safely, rather than have them self medicate- even if they don't agree with the reasons for wanting treatment.
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claudialps

Hi

First post of many hopefully!
Just my insight on the subject: synthetic hormones may adversely work on your health. I have been experimenting with "natural" substitutes for about 2 yrs now.  First let me say I'm a bit androginous although I don't desire boobs a "little body augmentation" would be nice.  As a teen my sisters always made fun of my flat ass, well that's no longer the case. As a matter of fact my oldest sister asked me (I'm not out yet) what kind of underwear I use because it lifts "wonderfully"  hehe.
I will post a pic as soon as I figure how.  ;)

Also I have noticed a little change on the subcutaneous fat layer around mid-section. As far as the chest there has been a little increase, noticeable when laying flat (sideways) on bed it sort of drapes over like a small boob but near normal when standing up.

From my original standpoint (slight body enhancement) I could say mission accomplished  :laugh:
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LynnER

If by natural substitutes you mean herbal base... your taking a bigger risk with your life than if you were taking prescription hormones...

Just because there "natural" or "herbal" doesn't make them better for you...  In many cases there worse for you because you have to take many times the safe dosages of herbals in order to achieve the desired effects... which puts further strain on the liver... and could cause toxic conditions in the body through some of the herbs other effects...
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samanthawhalen

Wow, Lynn.  Jumping to conclusions, are we?   ;)  Before you carry on with your sermon about the dangers of "herbals", why don't you let her answer your question?  Since you seem to know so much about herbals, exactly WHAT HERBALS are you referring to?  Furthermore, if you can name those herbals, can you (or will you) provide a link that talks specifically about those particular herbals, in the light that you attempting to cast upon them?  Have you tried herbals?  If not, then you really have no place in discussing them. 

Aeron
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tekla

As a believer in freedom I support anybodies absolute right (as an adult) to take anything they want.  With this real big caveat,  that you not ever ask me to pay for your treatment, rehab, or funeral.  You give me that, then you can do as you will.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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samanthawhalen

Tekla, was that addressed toward me?  Because there are real risks no matter what path one chooses in transitioning.  Over time those risks become reality, a fact that is not being addressed by the medical community or the patients.
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loaferspoons

I'm not a practicing CD, but the idea of having a more feminine shape under whatever clothes I have on is VERY tempting. I'm 5'8", about 250, so I'd think the hormones would have a lot of tissue to work with... :)
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Bdnewgirl

As a CD I have often thought it would be great to have natural breasts. no more breast forms. I often thought for someone who wanted JUST breasts, a breast implant  would work much better than going on HRT. There have been several cd's who have had it done, including one man who did it on a bet. Sure it might cost more, but in the long run with risks of HRT I think it would be worth it.

just my input

Brandi
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glendagladwitch

I am confused why a CD would have HRT to the point of losing all sex drive and maintain it.  I am under the impression that a CD cross dresses for sexual stimulation.  If that is gone, what is the motivation to cross dress?

Also, I thought CDs were only interested in the clothes and, by definition, did not want to change the body.  I thought HRT was the acid test in this regard.  I'm fully on board with the idea that there can be partial transitioners, but I don't see them as CD.

Please forgive me if I am being ignorant.  I came out of my "I'm just a CD" denial and transitioned before the Internet got going and all we had to read were physician-authored library books written in the 1960's.  So if my views are 50 years out of date, there's a reason.
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Bdnewgirl

I think the reason would be to become more passable when dressed, As far as why loose their sex drive, For some CD's its not dressing for sexual stimulation but thats a whole other topic, On why we do what we do.

As for me, I don't want to give up being sexually active to be more passable by going on HRT

Brandi
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joannatsf

Quote from: JodieBlondeLet's discount sperm counts as base #1 right here..I don't think that subject is germane to this section...if you want kids, then ya gotta do it the old fashioned way...and I heartily suggest both a mother and a father in a solid-family oriented setting. There are too many screwed-up kids in the world. I am one of them...but you have to read my introductions to see where that comes from.

I am quite open minded, but I do not agree with raising children in a "Suzie/Tommy has two mommies" atmosphere. I see it as just wrong on many levels..

Now there is something we don't see often here...Openly expressed bigotry toward lesbians!  Since many of us ARE lesbians or bisexuals that really is ballsey.

How is it you believe that the presence of a bio male in a child's life will keep them from being trans or homo?  Is it some special kind of self-loathing tat you believe all should posses?  A male that physically/sexually abuses his children is preferable to 'two mommies'?  Do you actually know any lesbian families?  Most that I know are great parents.  Hetro families have far more mixed results.
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Louise

Quote from: glendagladwitch on July 08, 2008, 09:02:35 AM
I am confused why a CD would have HRT to the point of losing all sex drive and maintain it.  I am under the impression that a CD cross dresses for sexual stimulation.  If that is gone, what is the motivation to cross dress?

Also, I thought CDs were only interested in the clothes and, by definition, did not want to change the body.  I thought HRT was the acid test in this regard.  I'm fully on board with the idea that there can be partial transitioners, but I don't see them as CD.

Please forgive me if I am being ignorant.  I came out of my "I'm just a CD" denial and transitioned before the Internet got going and all we had to read were physician-authored library books written in the 1960's.  So if my views are 50 years out of date, there's a reason.

People cross dress for all sorts of reasons.  Not all CDs are interested only in the clothes and sexual stimulation.  Many of us crossdress to express our femininity.  Now I am not interested in HRT but I would like to have a more androgynous body.
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JodieBlonde

Quote from: Claire de Lune on July 08, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: JodieBlondeLet's discount sperm counts as base #1 right here..I don't think that subject is germane to this section...if you want kids, then ya gotta do it the old fashioned way...and I heartily suggest both a mother and a father in a solid-family oriented setting. There are too many screwed-up kids in the world. I am one of them...but you have to read my introductions to see where that comes from.

I am quite open minded, but I do not agree with raising children in a "Suzie/Tommy has two mommies" atmosphere. I see it as just wrong on many levels..

Now there is something we don't see often here...Openly expressed bigotry toward lesbians!  Since many of us ARE lesbians or bisexuals that really is ballsey.

How is it you believe that the presence of a bio male in a child's life will keep them from being trans or homo?  Is it some special kind of self-loathing tat you believe all should posses?  A male that physically/sexually abuses his children is preferable to 'two mommies'?  Do you actually know any lesbian families?  Most that I know are great parents.  Hetro families have far more mixed results.

I guess an opinion isn't something you like to hear. Since you have slammed the door on my fingers to suggest my hate for (and even fear or loathing of) alternate lifestyles, then I don't really care if you don't like my OPINION...as I am free to have one.

I wasn't going to go into this arena...it's you who got your nose all outta joint over an OPINION. Now it's YOU who needs to get things into context and not pull a dead rabbit outta your hat. Read the whole article or at least read the whole following answer to your chum bait.

Let me repost what has somehow incensed you because it seems you don't understand what I said:

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I am quite open minded, but I do not agree with raising children in a "Suzie/Tommy has two mommies" atmosphere. I see it as just wrong on many levels..

What I do or don't agree with is a fundamental right and is an OPINION. What I agree with and have an OPINION concerning is from MY personal experiences and things that have happened to ME.

As a living example of a screwed up parent model, I am entitled to an OPINION.  What I really wished I had during a childhood was normalcy..and that was sadly lacking. I wouldn't do that to a kid for the damage I believe that it would cause a child. However, that too is just an OPINION.

I refuse to be baited into a public urination contest over an OPINION on imputed grounds of bigotry or concealed disdain for a particular lifestyle.

Your ontogeny does not beget my phylogeny.

I confess that I am more messed up than you no matter what your lifestyle is. What I BELIEVE caused this is parents. I place the blame entirely on them.

Bad parenting for whatever obscure reasons is not normal nor should it be preferred.

Mono-gendered parenting MAY be a viable option for some, may have been the ONLY viable option.... but not in MY CASE. Binary parenting wasn't even evident in my case.

Did you even READ my Intro?

I was nurtured (but not born) into being screwed up, cross gendered, fed hormones and dressed as a little girl, but definitely did not become a bigot. I qualify solely on those grounds as NOT a bigot.

In my case I have a right to my opinion and I was not making a declaration for you nor did I impute any other motives.

Any way...my original point was rhetorical, not empirical....so there! 

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angelcake

Hi Jodie blonde, could you help me and tell me what you ment by Depo/IM and what it is as am trying to find something to increase my bust size
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angelcake

Quote from: Lyric on January 05, 2008, 05:07:22 PM
This is one of the best strings I've run across here at Susan's. It is bring to light what seems to me to be a common misunderstanding between transsexuals and those of us I call bigenderists (I find "crossdresser" a rather vague description). It seems to be difficult for many of you to understand that a completion of life transition is not always the ultimate goal. Though I agree that going on hormones is an extreme measure. While I don't wish to ever stop presenting myself as a man and I love my masculine genitalia, I would absolutely love to have breasts. Having to disguise my chest in public some of time would be a small price to pay. The ideal situation for many of us would be a safe method of growing breasts while retaining our male functions entirely. While there must be many success stories such as Jodie Blonde's friend, you hear all too many like Julie A's. Personally, I believe hormones, even through a doctor's care, to be a bit too drastic a commitment for my situation. Until science comes up with a more ideal solution, I'll continue to get by with stretching exercises, underwire pushups, and silicon pads. I recently read about exposure to lavender oil causing gynecomastia in boys, I suspect it couldn't hurt to see if you get anything.

I would love to hear about more experiences with hormones by male bigendered persons.
Please help what is DEPO/IM

Lyric
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Fencesitter

Doctors have to take care of their patients' health. Now if you already take hormones on your own and then go to an endocrinologist and tell him/her that you'll go on taking them anyway but want it to be less risky, it might be that he/she will make the tests with you and prescribe you the right hormones and dose to limit your health risks. Without the whole transsexual therapy and shrink letter hassle beforehand. I know of such a case (a transsexual, by the way).

This said, if you only want breasts, breast implants might be the safer solution. Just don't inject silicone or something like that.

And don't forget, binding is uncomfortable. You can look up the FTM section here on this topic.
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Gia

Quote from: Leslie on October 07, 2007, 09:56:16 AM
One reason why men are frightened of estrogen is because it causes erectile dysfunction & lots of sexual related problems.  A CD is a man (heterosexual most of the time).  I can't imagine why a man would want estrogen.   Maybe some TG tendencies there somewhere ???

Maybe people have mislabeled or miscategorized the word or definition. There still seems no acute stability among these kind of terms in any global sense. That is the main problem.

However, individuals still seem to focus the problem on the person rather than on the society. *sigh*

Someone that only does it for the fetish, being that fetish turns-on some masculinity, would not want destroy that masculinity.

If that person no longer wants that masculinity then it wouldn't be a fetish. I would further add, if this is the case, not to quickly jump to another label like trans-whatever.
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Jessica Who

I don't want to take hormones but I am considering laser hair removal / electrolysis because I hate shaving my face so much!
You know I dress for every situation
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Stephanie Stephens

Quote from: Keira on October 07, 2007, 01:52:17 AM
Well, I wouldn't call people who self-medicate idiots
unless they have not read anything about it beforehand.
The risks are very low, especially if your taking
low doses of bio-identicals. With low doses taken
a very long time and low doses of T blockers, you
actually get a lower dose of T than a man and a
lower dose of E than a woman; with that if
managed properly you may be able to have sex as
a man and have decent breasts. Your fertility
may be much lower, but some don't care bout that.



The only thing is if a CD is taking HRT and doesn't care if
he has breasts, I would question his if he's really a CD.

I think he may find out after awhile that part time is
not enough and that CD was not the right description
for his/her case.


How can you not love this gal???
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