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Came out to my wife

Started by ActionLiz, October 01, 2015, 12:16:55 AM

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ActionLiz

Came out to my wife tonight, and I'm just over-the-moon happy.  Too tired to post all the details right now, but she was 200% supportive and loving.  We haven't had a real wedding ceremony or honeymoon yet because her health was bad when we got married and the kids came right away, and now she's talking about waiting until after I transition to do those things so I can experience them as the person I really am.  I mean, who does that?!  I really, really don't deserve her.

She also asked some great questions and will be coming with me to see my therapist next week.  We're on our way, and she says she's excited to experience this part of my life with me.  It's going to happen.  I'm finally going to start my real life -- and she'll be there beside me when I do.

Off to bed to try to sleep.  This has been one of the best days of my life.




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Dena

It is always a big step forward when somebody steps out of the closet. You picked a great wife and it looks like you will have a long, happy future ahead of you. I will be interested in hearing more to the detail when you are ready to post them.
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ActionLiz

Thanks, Dena!  Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you.  The last few weeks have been a roller-coaster of mostly positive emotions and changes.  My wife has been experiencing some completely natural feelings of loss and sadness, but she's also completely committed to our marriage and our family, and we love each other as much as we ever.  We don't know exactly what the Lord has in store for us as we move forward with all of this, but we're excited to find out.

The original conversation was almost comically easy.  The background was that I'd been really depressed for the last few days about a) keeping this huge secret from my wife when our whole relationship has been based on openness, and b) the possibility that it could affect or even end our marriage.  She already knew I was talking to my therapist about something that she didn't know about, and that it was weighing on my mind.  She encouraged me, over and over again, to tell her. 

"You're my best friend," she told me. "I accept all of you."

So I told her.

"Okay," she said, and I could see the love and concern in her eyes. "It's okay.  It doesn't matter.  I love you."  And she hugged me.

We both cried a bit, and we talked about some of the things we'd been putting off because of her health -- a real wedding, a honeymoon, etc. -- and what this would mean for all of that.  She kept the conversation mostly about me -- what did I want to be called, how did I want to look, did I want to be referred to as her wife instead of her husband, etc. -- and it was such a relief to be able to finally talk about all of it with the one person I love most in the world.  Talking about it with her made it all real, somehow, in a way that even talking to my therapist hadn't. 

Later that week we went to see my therapist together, and my wife talked about how it had been to find out.  "All I could think about was this poor woman, trapped in the wrong body for so long, and how sad it was that she'd had to struggle with that."  I already knew what an amazing woman my wife is, but I've been even more in awe of her through this entire process.  I can't imagine that all spouses would respond so selflessly and compassionately to a bombshell like this. I feel very, very lucky to have her.

She's gone through some hard times herself since finding out, and I've done my best to be there for her and to comfort her.  She's talking about it with her own therapist, and I've encouraged her to reach out to her friends and to get as much support and outside input as she can.  The deeper into it we get, the more comfortable she feels with the transition, which is wonderful.  But she still struggles with feeling like she's losing her husband, with feeling like the dreams she had for her life can never come to pass now.  That part is very sad, and I hate to have made her feel like that, even for awhile, but she assures me it will pass.

She's been researching trans issues with single-minded dedication ever since I told her, and looking for anything and everything that will inform her about being trans and how it affects marriages and families.  Our therapists are coordinating our care and talking to each other about the issues we're each facing.  I'm talking to my own therapist about starting hormone treatment shortly after the new year.  We're moving forward.

The most important thing, for both of us, is to keep the Lord involved in every decision we make about the transition and to do what's right for our family and our faith.  My wife is very enthusiastic about using this opportunity to open up a dialogue between our church and the transgender community.  For the most part, faith-based support for transgender Christians is just not there. We want to change that.

So all in all, a mind-blowing month that's been by turns thrilling, melancholy, and affirming.  We still struggle sometimes with our thoughts and feelings about what it all means, but we know that we'll always be there for each other and that whatever comes of this experience, it will bring us closer together and make us stronger.  I'm very happy.

~Liz
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Dena

It sound more like this is going to be a marriage that stay together. This thread may not be getting many post but I checked it before this post and it has 119 people who have viewed it so others are interested in your story. Your wife is welcome on this site as we have a SO section. Even if there isn't a huge amount of SO traffic here, the other members of the site are pretty helpful answering questions based on their life.
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ActionLiz

That's great to hear!  I hope my experiences will resonate with and encourage some folks who haven't taken the big step yet.  I'll try to keep updating the thread periodically as we go through my transition together.

Based on other stories I've read, I think my experience is definitely on the more positive side of the spectrum.  Most of the reasons for this can be summed up as "my wife is awesome", but there are a few specific things we had in place before the reveal that have helped to make the whole thing easier for both of us:

- We both had therapists already who we'd been seeing for a long time and had good relationships with.  This meant I had someone to bounce fears and ideas off of prior to dropping the bomb, and she could go to someone she knew and trusted right away after she found out.

- I *didn't* take any steps toward transition, except for talking to my therapist about it, before I told her. She told me that she'd have had a much harder time dealing with things if I'd, for example, been cross-dressing or taking hormones without telling her about any of it first.

- We have a very good family friend ("Lisa")  who is a transgender woman.  My wife is a very open-minded person to begin with, but getting to know Lisa helped to de-mystify the trans thing for us in way that nothing else could.  By the time I came out, most of the questions and fears she might otherwise have had were already addressed, because she and Lisa had already talked about all of them at some point.  I realise that this one is tough to reproduce on demand, but spending any time at all with a nice, well-adjusted trans person can be a wonderful way to introduce a spouse to the concept in a non-threatening setting.

- Most important of all, we've tried really, really hard to tell each other everything throughout our marriage.  Having been able to tell my wife difficult things in the past made it easier for me to tell her this (and I needed every edge I could get, because it was still incredibly hard).  And knowing all my other secrets helped to reassure her that this disclosure wasn't the tip of a big, scary iceberg where I would turn out to be a complete stranger.


I hope none of this comes across as arrogant; like I said, 99% of my positive experience is due to my wife's general super-amazingness and is completely unrelated to anything I did.  I just feel really blessed to have had such a great experience and would like to help others do the same if I possibly can.

~Liz
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KristinaM

I've really enjoyed reading about your situation so far!  I wish you and your wife the best of luck.  Me and my wife are working through this together too.  I dropped the t-bomb on her about 6 months ago.  I had had feminine tendencies my whole life but didn't realize I was trans until that point and I told her immediately in a very off-handed fashion because I thought I was only describing my past, not my present and future as well.  I don't know when or if I'd have had the courage to tell her had I realized the full implications of what I was saying at the time.  She is making the transition herself to calling me her wife and using the correct pronouns.  I know she mourns the loss of her husband though, even if we never discuss it except in passing.  Heck, when I look back on my life, the memories seem so distant and alien now.  Did he ever REALLY exist, or was it always me just wearing a man suit, lol.

Again, good luck and godspeed as you walk the path laid out before you.
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ShadesofRed

Glad its working out for you! but to round out discusion of married couples and coming out. Its not always a happy ending.

My wife and I went to counseling etc... and she is having none of it. What is really frustrating is this person I married came off as super open minded, cool person, pro LGBT, democrat, pro civil liberties etc... But when it comes to me, its no #%#% way. My wife is NOT supportive of me being transgender at all. So...I have two choices before me 1) stay her MAN husband 2) talk to a lawyer about divorce.

I'm devastated... Likely after the holidays I'll have to make a decision, this can't keep festering. I love her, I had plans to be with her for ever, but now its not looking like that.
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ChiGirl

Hey Liz. Just read your posts.  Awesome. You are a lucky woman to have such a great woman in your life.


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AmeliaVA

Hi Liz,

I just saw this posts too and it sounds like you are a lucky woman.  Had you ever talked about transgender issues with her before so you had an idea how she might react?  My wife seems open at times, but I get the feeling that she cannot relate or does not understand what it means to be transgender.  I have not broached the subject of how I feel yet, but am trying to gauge her reaction I guess.  Another question I have is how has it been with kids.  That is the other aspect that I worry about too.  Congratulations on where you are right now.  Hopefully someday I will be at the same point and hopefully have similar results (but I am not counting on that...)
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ActionLiz

Thanks so much, Amelia!  And thanks to the other ladies who posted such kind comments, as well.  I want you to know that I read and appreciate them all.   :)

With my wife, I did have a pretty good idea of how she would react before I came out, which made the whole process about 2% less terrifying.   ;)  We'd talked about transgender issues in general / philosophical terms quite often, and I started bringing them up more frequently in the two months or so before I came out.  My wife is someone who genuinely loves everyone, and I knew from our conversations that she certainly didn't have anything against transgender identity in principle.

Also -- and this was the bigger help for me -- my wife has a friend ("Lisa") who is a transgender woman, so I got to see her interact with Lisa and to hear her private thoughts about Lisa's situation.  My wife was always very caring and compassionate, and when the transgender issue came up in conversation she'd say things like "Gosh, Lisa, I don't know how I could possibly see you as anything BUT a woman!"  So I knew she fully accepted Lisa's identity and valued her friendship.

I realise that the Lisa thing is hard to duplicate because not everyone's wife already has a transgender friend, but it might be *very* helpful to introduce your wife to one or two nice, well-adjusted trans people if at all possible.  I think having Lisa around went a long way toward making my reveal less scary when it finally came.  And it gave me an opportunity to talk extensively with my wife about transgender topics without feeling like I was outing myself before I was ready.

Can I ask, how old are your kids?  I'm pretty lucky in that mine are 3 and 1, so in the long term they're probably not going to remember me as anyone other than Liz.  I do worry about whether it will be bad for them to not have a good male role model, but I have to remind myself that I was never going to be able to fill that position anyway. 

Thanks again for your kind words and your congratulations, and please please ask any questions you think I could help with.  I don't post too often but I'm always around. 

~Liz


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AmeliaVA

Liz, Thanks for taking the time to respond.  Unfortunately I can't say that we have any friends who are transgender, but at least I can bring up the topic with her.  I will try to do that more often and see how she responds.  My kids are much older (18 & 14) so that is a different situation for sure.  The good thing is that they both seem to be pretty open and accepting of other people.  I am not sure how that would be with me though since they have known me as dad for so long.  My daughter knows people who are TG and is actually very curious about it. 

While I can't say I know anyone personally, I have read plenty about couples who stay together after transition and have no issues raising their kids in a loving household.  In fact, based on how you describe yourself and your wife I am quite confident that you are great parents and that won't change with transition.  The fact that she has responded the way that she has speaks wonders.  I guess I am not as confident that my wife would be so understanding and as a result that might have impact on our kids too.  I suppose that is what I worry about the most.  On the other hand, I feel like I am hiding my true self and those feelings just seem to be getting stronger. 

The next step for me is therapy.  I am starting the search right now and am struggling with what to tell her when I start to see someone...
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ActionLiz

Hi Amelia!

Yes, older kids are definitely a different situation -- but I had my hair done by a wonderful trans lady the other day, and she did mention that all five (!) of her kids, ages 7 through twenty-something, had been extremely supportive.  So there are definitely hopeful stories out there for telling kids of any age.  It sounds like you have raised some great kids who have a good chance of accepting you.  :)

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In fact, based on how you describe yourself and your wife I am quite confident that you are great parents and that won't change with transition.  The fact that she has responded the way that she has speaks wonders.

Thanks!  Yes, my wife is wonderful and I'm very, very blessed to have her.  I sincerely hope your wife will respond positively as well and that this will be the beginning of a new and wonderful phase in your relationship. 

I agree that therapy is a really good first step.  Regarding what to tell your wife, I'm wondering if she would be open to the idea of seeing a therapist herself, even if it's just for "maintenance".  Then you'd both have an opportunity to develop a good relationship with your respective therapists while you work on getting ready to tell her.

I think this approach worked really well for me -- my wife and I both had good, established relationships with our individual therapists when I came out, and I think it made it easier for my wife to have that in place so she had someone she trusted to talk to confidentially about everything.  Neither she nor I went in for the trans stuff, but like you I got to the point where I couldn't keep the feelings inside any longer, and my therapist was the first one I told.  Of course this may be a harder sell if your wife isn't too into the idea of therapy to begin with -- I was lucky in that mine has always been an advocate for it. 

I wish you the very best of success in your journey. Coming out to my wife was one of the hardest things I've ever done, but it's very rewarding to be on the other side of it and to be able to share this part of my life with her.

~Liz

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itsApril

Quote from: ActionLiz on January 26, 2016, 03:30:46 PM

Can I ask, how old are your kids?  I'm pretty lucky in that mine are 3 and 1, so in the long term they're probably not going to remember me as anyone other than Liz.  I do worry about whether it will be bad for them to not have a good male role model, but I have to remind myself that I was never going to be able to fill that position anyway. 

~Liz

Don't be too concerned about that.  It was an issue that cropped up many times in all the litigation over same-sex marriage over the last several years.

States opposing same-sex marriage often tried to argue in court that same-sex marriage would damage children.  But they were never able to prove it.  All of the serious sociological and psychological research on children of same-sex couples showed that the outcome on their children was the same as (or sometimes even better than!) mixed-sex couples.  (By the way, it doesn't seem to matter whether the parents are two men or two women.)  In the end, the opponents were never able to show that same-sex marriage would cause harm to children.  That's a big part of the reason the courts moved forward to recognize same-sex marriage.

If children are raised by loving and caring parents, they usually turn out pretty well.  The gender of the parents isn't really important.
-April
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Adena

Quote from: ActionLiz on November 10, 2015, 04:18:21 PM
Thanks, Dena!  Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you.  The last few weeks have been a roller-coaster of mostly positive emotions and changes.  My wife has been experiencing some completely natural feelings of loss and sadness, but she's also completely committed to our marriage and our family, and we love each other as much as we ever.  We don't know exactly what the Lord has in store for us as we move forward with all of this, but we're excited to find out.

The original conversation was almost comically easy.  The background was that I'd been really depressed for the last few days about a) keeping this huge secret from my wife when our whole relationship has been based on openness, and b) the possibility that it could affect or even end our marriage.  She already knew I was talking to my therapist about something that she didn't know about, and that it was weighing on my mind.  She encouraged me, over and over again, to tell her. 

"You're my best friend," she told me. "I accept all of you."

So I told her.

"Okay," she said, and I could see the love and concern in her eyes. "It's okay.  It doesn't matter.  I love you."  And she hugged me.

We both cried a bit, and we talked about some of the things we'd been putting off because of her health -- a real wedding, a honeymoon, etc. -- and what this would mean for all of that.  She kept the conversation mostly about me -- what did I want to be called, how did I want to look, did I want to be referred to as her wife instead of her husband, etc. -- and it was such a relief to be able to finally talk about all of it with the one person I love most in the world.  Talking about it with her made it all real, somehow, in a way that even talking to my therapist hadn't. 

Later that week we went to see my therapist together, and my wife talked about how it had been to find out.  "All I could think about was this poor woman, trapped in the wrong body for so long, and how sad it was that she'd had to struggle with that."  I already knew what an amazing woman my wife is, but I've been even more in awe of her through this entire process.  I can't imagine that all spouses would respond so selflessly and compassionately to a bombshell like this. I feel very, very lucky to have her.

She's gone through some hard times herself since finding out, and I've done my best to be there for her and to comfort her.  She's talking about it with her own therapist, and I've encouraged her to reach out to her friends and to get as much support and outside input as she can.  The deeper into it we get, the more comfortable she feels with the transition, which is wonderful.  But she still struggles with feeling like she's losing her husband, with feeling like the dreams she had for her life can never come to pass now.  That part is very sad, and I hate to have made her feel like that, even for awhile, but she assures me it will pass.

She's been researching trans issues with single-minded dedication ever since I told her, and looking for anything and everything that will inform her about being trans and how it affects marriages and families.  Our therapists are coordinating our care and talking to each other about the issues we're each facing.  I'm talking to my own therapist about starting hormone treatment shortly after the new year.  We're moving forward.

The most important thing, for both of us, is to keep the Lord involved in every decision we make about the transition and to do what's right for our family and our faith.  My wife is very enthusiastic about using this opportunity to open up a dialogue between our church and the transgender community.  For the most part, faith-based support for transgender Christians is just not there. We want to change that.

So all in all, a mind-blowing month that's been by turns thrilling, melancholy, and affirming.  We still struggle sometimes with our thoughts and feelings about what it all means, but we know that we'll always be there for each other and that whatever comes of this experience, it will bring us closer together and make us stronger.  I'm very happy.

~Liz

I am so happy for you Liz!  Let me know how the dialogue work with the church goes, I am very interested in that. I think a lot of good Christian people have misconceptions born of ignorance about transgender people (some are just bad people that only go to church to validate their fire insurance policy sadly, they may be hopeless to work with.)

It's really nice to hear a story like yours, keep us up to date.

Love,
Denali
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Mariah

Liz, it's wonderful to hear your wife is so supportive. it's wonderful see that when it happens. Good luck with the therapist appointment. Hugs
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Marienz

I'm so excited for you both to be working through this together:)
Your partner may wish to join up on the SO forum. I find it very helpful... There is so much to be gained here through understanding:)
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Hannah_pnw

I also recently came out to my wife.  She has been nothing short of amazing.  I was so scared! She asked good questions and really made me feel at ease. We both know it will be a long difficult road but she says we will do it together.  I guess I have mostly been in the feminine gender role around the house since I was injured and my career ended. She always been the one to work on the cars and do the manly chores anyway. She pointed that out and stated that she always kind of known. She has given lots of clothes for when I am ready to present myself to the world.  My appointment with the Transgender friendly endo is coming up soon. Hopefully all goes well as I had shoulder surgery yesterday and won't be able to present as my true self. Nervous but excited.  Sorry if my post is rambling on, still pretty loopy from the meds.
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RobynD

Quote from: Hannah_pnw on January 30, 2016, 07:37:47 PM
She always been the one to work on the cars and do the manly chores anyway. She pointed that out and stated that she always kind of known. She has given lots of clothes for when I am ready to present myself to the world. 

Very similar to us. I sometimes feel badly stereotypical in saying it but my wife has always been traditional head of the house, the person that fixes things, etc. etc.


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BeverlyAnn

It's so wonderful your wife is accepting.  I guess you could say I came out to Miss Dee twice.  Many years ago before we were married I explained to her what I really didn't even have words for.  I got an answer that was basically, "Of course you'll quit this when we are married."  Yeah, right.  We all know how well that works out.  So we've gone through various stages of acceptance from barely to total over the years.  The second coming out was in December when I told her I just can't take it anymore and there are two options.  The first is transition and the second not very attractive.  The answer I got back was, "Baby, you do what you need to do and we will cope with it."  A lot different from that first answer I got years ago!  I think she's seen it coming for years and she also admitted she feels guilty because she thinks she has kept me from transitioning for several years.
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