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I think I offended somebody

Started by Rengar, February 26, 2016, 03:23:01 AM

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Rengar

Okay. I think I hecked up today.

So I was working today and a guy comes into my store. I'm the head cashier so I greet him and he greets me back. Now this guy was wearin one of them "BOY. Some assembly required." hoodies. Now some backstory about me is that I do not go out of my way to let people know that I'm trans. I am cis passing and I enjoy staying that way. I'm not close to the community much but I respect the people who are 100%!

I was excited to see someone like me. He passed really well and I just wanted to let him know like "Hey me too!" I wanted to connect like buddies! So because there was another customer behind him I kinda let him know in a subtle way. I handed him the nutmeg he had bought and said "Seems like you and I are part of the same secret club if you know what I mean!" I flashed him a smile but his energy just instantly shifted.

He turned cold and before I could even finish my sentence and smile he snapped back "Yes well /I/ was sent." I didn't really know what to do. I kind of froze up because I was afraid he'd yell at me and I just handed him his receipt and sent him on his way. I didn't know what had upset him so much...

I know if you're trying to pass and someone calls you out it really sucks but with a shirt like that and me being the same as him I just wanted to connect but...I think I might have come off as rude or something :^(. I guess I just shouldn't assume things. I really didn't mean any harm.

I don't know if he thinks I was being rude or if he didn't believe I was FTM also or what...But i don't really understand what "Yes well I was sent" means. Like were you forced into this or? I don't know. I'm probably over analyzing. But I feel really bad about it. I know how much it sucks to be called out but I just wanted to be buddies for even that short of a time.
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groudon18

That is a very strange response he gave you. Maybe he just misheard you, and thought you said something else entirely?

I also understand the trying to pass thing as I live stealth, but if someone is wearing a shirt with an obviously trans statement on it, I don't think they're trying to hide it/be stealth.
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AnamethatstartswithE

Maybe he thought you were coming on to him.
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captains

That's very strange. Surely no one would wear a shirt like that unless they wanted to flash the bat signal to other trans people?
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FTMDiaries

What an odd response.

The only thing I can think of that would've made his mood suddenly turn sour like that is that he probably thought you were cis, and he took offence because he thought he had to fight much harder to join the boy 'club' than someone he perceived as being cis. Perhaps that's what got his nose out of joint? In which case, it's just a huge misunderstanding on his part - I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

I think you handled it brilliantly, btw. Your comment was very subtle and many trans guys would've responded positively to it. I know that whenever I wear something that identifies me as trans, I expect to be a lot more visible to the rest of the community, but the Muggles won't have a clue what it all means.





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Kylo

Frankly I wouldn't speak to someone about it out there unless they signaled to me that wanted to speak about it first - even then maybe I wouldn't be comfortable at the time talking about it myself in public. You might want to, but that doesn't mean that someone else wants to. At least, that's what I've heard from a lot of trans people on these communities online - not the ones that meet up - where at least a certain % of them doesn't want any acknowledgement from anybody, or mentions that just because two people are trans does not make them automatically friends.

So that might be why - he might have been one of them. Does that top really signify being trans? Maybe he just borrowed it or something. Are you sure he was trans? See I'd be in doubt about my assumptions about a stranger because I've been wrong before. Don't think I'd act on it, even if did want to speak to them - if I really did want to I'd say something different in a different setting, i.e. not talk about that first off but mention it later in conversation... I don't think he could have had much meaningful conversation in a store queue, really. You'd have had to be out of that situation to have a relaxing conversation.

I mean, in everyday life, there's an organic process to becoming friendly with someone. If you went up to any cis person and just started talking to them, I bet some of them would be cold and give you the shoulder just the same because they don't know you. Sometimes if someone comes up to me and starts talking (depending on the situation) I can be cold as well because I just don't want a conversation with a stranger. If they started talking to me about my trans status - I won't lie, I might be borderline offended depending on how they went about it. So... it's probably not that weird he didn't want to be friendly, although what he said and its meaning I have no idea. Maybe you misheard it?
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FtMitch

This may be a stretch, but I know that there is a song by Dynamite Boy called "Some Assembly Required"--are you 100% sure the shirt denoted that he was trans?  Honestly I try not to assume anything about someone's gender based on "hidden messages" as they are too easy to accidentally wear if you are cis.  Even a .5cc brand shirt could be picked up at a thrift store or borrowed from a friend without their knowledge.  I would just blow it off, but in the future I would avoid even subtly "outing" people.  They could also just be allies and be offended that you think they are literally part of the club--a backward mentality but something I have seen with the gay pride flag, and that is a PUBLIC symbol that everyone knows!  I don't think you did anything wrong so I wouldn't worry about it, but I personally would just avoid the situation.  Also, I am guessing you misheard his response since it makes no sense at all.  Either that or he thinks you were talking about something else entirely and THAT is what pissed him off.  Heck, he may have forgotten he was even wearing that shirt and thought you were talking about whatever was weighing on his mind at the moment.  People are strange sometimes!
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FtMitch

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on February 26, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
I mean, in everyday life, there's an organic process to becoming friendly with someone. If you went up to any cis person and just started talking to them, I bet some of them would be cold and give you the shoulder just the same because they don't know you. Sometimes if someone comes up to me and starts talking (depending on the situation) I can be cold as well because I just don't want a conversation with a stranger.

LOL, I learned that when I visited New York!  People look at you so WEIRD when you talk to strangers, and they can be flat out rude in their responses.  In Texas if you refuse to chat with the people you are in line with or waiting in a room with then YOU are considered the weirdo...  I very, very rarely have Texans give me the cold shoulder when talking to them, but occasionally it does happen so there ARE people who just don't like being talked to even in areas where it is considered a faux pas NOT to smile and talk to total strangers... He could definitely be one of those.
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FtMitch

Quote from: FtMitch on February 26, 2016, 09:07:04 AMack it deleted my quote from the person above, but this was when he mentioned that sometimes people are cold when talking to strangers...
LOL, I learned that when I visited New York!  People look at you so WEIRD when you talk to strangers, and they can be flat out rude in their responses.  In Texas if you refuse to chat with the people you are in line with or waiting in a room with then YOU are considered the weirdo and thought of as rude...  I very, very rarely have Texans give me the cold shoulder when talking to them, but occasionally it does happen so there ARE people who just don't like being talked to even in areas where it is considered a faux pas NOT to smile and talk to total strangers... He could definitely be one of those.
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Rengar

Yeah I just feel like a totally ass about it. I really shouldn't have said anything because it's super rude. I don't know. Thanks for the advice though! I had this happen to me WHILE I was cashiering. Another guy literally said the same "Secret club" thing and He was like. Fully bearded and muscular and it made me feel so much better about transitioning because maybe I could look like that one day!

But people react differently. I shouldn't have said anything I just feel really rude :^(
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Rengar

Quote from: FtMitch on February 26, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
LOL, I learned that when I visited New York!  People look at you so WEIRD when you talk to strangers, and they can be flat out rude in their responses.  In Texas if you refuse to chat with the people you are in line with or waiting in a room with then YOU are considered the weirdo and thought of as rude...  I very, very rarely have Texans give me the cold shoulder when talking to them, but occasionally it does happen so there ARE people who just don't like being talked to even in areas where it is considered a faux pas NOT to smile and talk to total strangers... He could definitely be one of those.

Yeah I totally agree! Some places it's just not cool to strike up random conversation but I live in a small town in Colorado and we're all super friendly with each other.
I would totally sign it off as someone who didn't want to be talked to but he struck up a conversation about his nutmeg being the only thing he needed in the store. But I honestly think I took it to a really dumb level and I feel like an ass.
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Kylo

I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt he's worrying about it right now.

I guess just take care in future about mentioning it to people. I've had some trans people online tell me rather savagely that they aren't my friend just because we share the same disease. I wouldn't have thought we were just because of that, but I also didn't anticipate how some people really do not want to be identified as or even talked to about it. Some get nasty if you suggest you might get along purely because of something about themselves they really hate.

I'm sure you'll meet people who are cool with it, but you never know at a guess.
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FTMax

I wouldn't worry about it. My guess is, he misheard you. I would probably not respond very well if a stranger tried to out me in public, no matter how subtle or private. But I cannot think of any explanation for his response.
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haeden

It would be really cool if he was on here and read this and responded. I would love to know what he meant by that because it makes no sense to me at all

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2fish

I personally wouldn't have been offended. If you wear something that symbolizes your trans status why would you get upset if someone else recognizes. I would be thrilled, honestly. Especially if you are trans like me. I'm in dire need of a friend. Everyone is different, maybe he was having a bad day?! If someone is trying to hide their status and are deep within the closet then they will for sure not out themselves with symbolic clothing or jewelry. Try not to dwell on it. Maybe next time he will approach you in a better mood. If ya run into him again don't mention it, maybe he'll come around.

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