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Changing names -- timetable; do's and dont's

Started by Hazumu, December 25, 2005, 10:12:26 PM

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Hazumu

At what point in the transition process is the best or most advisable time to begin using your new female name, and does it coincide with the time you go to court to make it legal?

Basically, I'm still a little unclear when I should start referring to myself (and getting others to address me) by my chosen female name.  Is it a gradual thing, starting in specific situations and expanding outward from there, or is it an all-at-once thing?  And do I start this in advance of making the legal name change?

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As to choosing a name, I've come up with some rules that I want to follow:  I want to choose the new name from the top 100 or so that were common to my birth decade.  I'm culling out names already taken by close female relatives and and any name that is obviously a feminized male name or has a male-sounding pet form (such as Samantha{Sam} and Theresa{Terry}, though Michelle{Michael} is still a candidate because it's not so obvious.)  The more female-sounding the name, the better -- it's going to be my calling card for the rest of my life.

I'm still debating keeping my last name or changing it, too.  But I want the new last name to be simple and easy to spell and remember for many of the same reasons.

Lastly, I don't want the name to be a bad pun, but it wouldn't be bad if the name had some secret significance.  As Sean Connery has said "To play this scene, I need to know something the audience doesn't know."
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stephanie_craxford

The point in your transition to begin using your female name generally coincides with the date you start living full time.  Of course you could start using it before that date among those who you are out to, but that can sometimes lead to some confusion.

I live in Ontario, Canada and in my own situation, I was out everywhere except at work and used Stephanie with everyone who I was out to.  Even though my official name change had not been approved I used Stephanie when I officially came out at work.  However,  both myself and the company knew that I had to use my male name on official documents such as payroll, evaluations, company correspondence etc... until my name was officially changed.

Others here from your area/country will be in a better position to advise you on this, and I'm sure that they will when they see your post.  In the mean time check out this in the Wiki - Name Change.  Allthough it's not complete it may give you some ideas.

Steph

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Terri-Gene

Names are a bigger issue then they should be Hazumu and it is both irritating and distasteful sellecting names that attempt to sound sexy, sleezy or just not fitting into the common world.

Figure out how much input you had in your birth name?  for some people perhaps, but for most it's not thier name that gets them by, but what kind of person they are behind the name.

Consider too that the more alluding you make your name, the harder it will be for people that already know you to adapt to it.

It is always best to attempt to simply feminize your first name and simply keep your original last name, again, less confusion with others.

To some people it is desirable to have some fancy name or whatever so do as you wish, but in general you will find that you will achieve better results when meeting new people if your name sounds like any other name they come into contact with in thier own community.  In the end it is up to you, just a little advice in the matter.

As to when?  There isn't any particular time table to that, but unless all you want to do is crossdress and need a name when with other people you hang out with, the best time is when you start being full time and never going back to male for any reason, again, it is less confusing or embarrassing for people who know you and what you are into if they call you by the wrong name at the wrong time according to if you are male or female at the time.

Many simply genderise thier first name and leave it at that.  Some like myself are extreamly lucky as our names are ambidexterous, like mine.  It was originally Terry so I just dropped the Y to make I, or Terri and had all my identification, credit cards drivers license and social security changed in that manner, leaving my middle and last name alone.  Even my Psychologist told me he appreciated my doing that as he didn't have to get used to calling me something new as it is pronounced the same with simple female spelling.

You can change it before transitioning if you want, but then it is a little embarrasing when you are known by a fem name but have to hand your drivers licence to someone for identification and a clerk or whatever looks at the id and refers to you by the male name.  Not to mention that you have just outed yourself as a man in a dress, so when you change your name on your Drivers License you can change the sex marker on it allso to make it appear as female, with the proper documentation from your psychologist/psychiatrist of course.

all I could tell you is that it doesn't really matter when you do it.  Mostly it depends on if you want the new name to be your legal identified Identification or if you just want something to buzz yur friends with, but you say you want to transition, so I would assume legal.

In that case when you are ready to do it, just ask in the forums and I or someone else who has done it will help you out with the info you need and usually it is just a matter of paperwork and a few minutes in the DMV and SSA offices and generally nobody even bats an eye at you while doing it.

by the way Hazumu, just at what stage are you at and what are your needs right now in regards to beginning transition?  And what problems do you forsee as needing help with?

Terri
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Cassandra

Hi Hazuma,

As has been said when is really up to you. My personal experience is this. When I first came out to my wife and one of my friends I started using Lisa because my name was Lloyd so I kinda wanted to keep the first initial. About a week of being called that and I soon realised that this was not the name I wanted to be known by.  I always rather disliked my male name and there is little you can do to feminize it.

When I was a teenager I was big into greek mythology. I have had a lot of people ask for my advice and not take it so the story of Cassandra kind of fit and I really like the name. Plus the short name Cassie sounds a lot like what my grandmother used to call me Laddie.

Anyway when I started living full time I started going by Cassandra full time also. My wife used it at home regularly so that when we were out together she would remember to call me Cassie. While living full time I've had little occasion to have anyone ask for ID but every once in a while some cashier would ask(sometimes I think just to confirm their suspicions about me).

I started living full time back in late June and my name change was done just this month, so you see it is possible to go full time for a long time without changing your name. Thing is when you change your name you are doing more than just using a name. It becomes your legal name and if your not ready or willing to live full time from here on, then you will end up being a man with a womans name. If you thought it was bad being a man before just imagine the problems you would have as a man with a female name. Make sure this is what you want to do before you do it.

The timeing of a legal name change is totally up to you. If you wait too long after living full time you will find it increasingly difficult and you will be outing yourself everytime someone asks for your ID or you have to sign a legal document.

Cassie

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Hazumu

Quote from: Terri Gene on December 25, 2005, 11:00:43 PM
It is always best to attempt to simply feminize your first name and simply keep your original last name, again, less confusion with others.

Were it that easy.  I was given a name that in no way can be feminized, and I mean No Way.   Think of the problem with Walter/Wendy Carlos.  My only choice is to adopt a new name.  Thus I came up with the rules I stated.  Yep, confusion will reign for a while -- that's why I want to start getting my cats in a row now.  I'm envisioning some sort of 'cut-over' -- at least at work -- where I go home the day before the appointed/announced day as male and return the next day as female -- complete with a rough-but-polishable female voice.  It'll be rough for a few weeks/months, and the snickers and whispers may take a long time to die down.  But it's something I can plan for, work towards, and prepare for.

Quote from: Terri Gene on December 25, 2005, 11:00:43 PM
by the way Hazumu, just at what stage are you at and what are your needs right now in regards to beginning transition?  And what problems do you forsee as needing help with?

Terri

I think what I wrote above may help to put my question(s) in a bit better perspective.

As to what stage I'm at right now -- about three weeks ago I came to the sudden and overwhelming realization that I very much wanted -- no, needed -- to transition to the female gender -- that in fact many of my problems in dealing with (especially) the workaday world stemmed from a femininity at the core of my personality that I could not entirely repress.

The full details of my personal epiphany are probably best saved for another topic -- kind of like the stereotypical 12-step support meetings -- "Hi, I'm Hazumu, and I'm a male-to-female transsexual"  <chorus>"Hi, Hazumu..."

As to my needs -- I''ve 'met' once with a therapist, and have pre-paid for five more meetings.  I see I have a lot to learn in order to transition successfully.  I've read or at least skimmed over two-thirds of the articles in the reference library here, and have ordered several books from the IFGE bookstore:
http://www.ifge.org/books/bookstore_catalog.htm
What I want to know is, in this very early stage of beginning my transition, what should I be doing to get ready for what is to come?  What is important, what can be put off until later, and what is in fact unimportant and I shouldn't waste any time on?

As far as cross-dressing, that's something I haven't really been into.  This may seem weird, but although I often wanted to be that woman wearing that dress/outfit, I didn't want to wear the clothes while posessing the body of a man.  Although, after finally admitting to myself that I so badly want to be a woman that I'm willing to put myself through the intense difficulties of transition, I'm warming to the idea of wearing womens' clothing, and wondering how I might look in various outfits.

I see Cassandra has chimed in whilst I was typing this.  Thank you for the advice -- especially about going FT before actually doing the legal name change.  It's something I need to factor in to my planning.
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Northern Jane

Strangely enough, I picked my female name at about age 5 when a girl of that name moved to the neighbourhood (and later moved away). It was the most beautiful girl's name I had heard, uncommon but not terribly unusual. It even came with its own "history" being the French spelling of an Anglo name with its roots in ancient mythology. It is also NOT a feminized form of a male name.

When I began living a double life, I used my adopted female name in one role and my birth name in the other. By the time I was in my late teens and realized I had a SERIOUS problem (GID) - at a time before there was any likelihood of resolution - I began going by my initials and family name in my male role. Some of my official records (such as college records) only identified me by initials and family name (thanks to an understanding Registrar).

I didn't do a RLT, as is done today - a decade of living a dual life and taking hormones negated that requirement - so I had all my records amended at one time immediately after SRS, all except my birth certificate.

At the time when I transitioned, Ontario did not alter birth sex on the birth certificate so I said fxxx you! and lived 30 years without a B.C. with no real problems. Fortunately, in Canada, under British Common Law, you are entitled to be known as any name of your choice so long as it is not for illegal purposes.

Only a few years ago I had to get a passport and they required a birth certificate. Fortunately Ontario has smartened up and would issue a proper B.C. but I finally had to get a proper court-ordered change of name.
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Teri Anne

My route to a new name was kind of unusual.  I'd been pondering the name "Wendy" because I liked the Association song by the same name.  But it seemed like every Wendy I'd met was drop dead gorgeous and I, frankly, didn't feel that confident at that point.  I transitioned at work and, while a few of my fellow workers were stand-offish, several were actually "friends."  Two of my coworkers (a married couple) sat up one night and came up with a list of about six names on it that they liked (unusual, huh?).  Among them was "Teri."  Unlike you, Hazamu, I didn't mind that is could sound masculine or femine when spoken aloud.  I figured it might be easier for some of my male coworkers to say "Teri" than some overtly feminine name...this was all part of my confidence worries (now solved).  Another factor was that I liked the actress Teri Hatcher and so that was it.  I came up with a middle name by using the middle name of my best friend (thus linking us forever).  Anne, the screen name I use here, is the middle name of my other best friend.

You mentioned, "but it wouldn't be bad if the name had some secret significance.  As Sean Connery has said "To play this scene, I need to know something the audience doesn't know."

Well, my REAL middle name begins with an "S."  The "secret significance" that you mention are my initials, "TS."  Despite the troubled road that it's taken to get me here, I like offering homage to that road.  I'm proud, like the pioneer settlers reaching California, to have made it.

Teri Anne
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Hazumu

Quote from: melissa_girl on December 26, 2005, 12:49:04 PM
I came up with my name similar to choosing a baby name.  I went through lists and used anems I had liked in the past and came up with a "short list" of names I liked.  I started eliminating names and decided on one that had the same first letter as my birth name.

Melissa
Yeah, that's what I'm working through now -- just trying on names in my mind, and either being gently guided towards or away from the name.
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Dennis

I chose a masculine version of my birth name. There were other names that appealed to me, but they were taken by relatives (the ones with family significance) or I was afraid that people would think I'd named myself after them.

Some people have said it's harder for them to use the new name because it's so close to the old name, and that it gives them a harder time with pronouns.

What I did as far as usage was that I changed my name legally quite early, about 6 months before I was ready for the full switchover. Then everyone who met me after that point was introduced to me as Dennis, but old friends could choose Den, Dennis, or Denise, whichever they felt comfortable with until I did the full switch.

I changed my name so early because I was legally married and at the time the law was a bit weird. Same sex couples could get married, but not divorced. So I thought it might facilitate the divorce. As it turned out though, they amended the divorce law in between my name change and my divorce anyway.

Dennis
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Terri-Gene

heh, kind of coincidental Teri :
The "secret significance" that you mention are my initials, "TS." 

It kind of worked in my case also as my birth intiials were TGS with first, middle and last name.  All I changed was the spelling of my first name from Terry to Terri, simply tearing the Y out of myself to better fit I.(appropriate)  The middle name Gene I thought about some as the more fem form would be Jean, but I kept it the way it was since I understand it was my father who determined that in honor of a relation and my last name was my fathers and he had loved me, so I decided to keep it, so now I am still TGS or depending on how I want to display it, I am TS for better or worse or I can be TG when I want to be politically friendly.  But actually TGS works best as that is simple Tough Genuine Sh*thead. which applaies when i'm pushed the wrong way.
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Terri-Gene

QuoteI've read or at least skimmed over two-thirds of the articles in the reference library here, and have ordered several books from the IFGE bookstore:

Hazumu, It is good to read the experience and ideas of others and to learn what you can from it, but just for your own good, keep such things out of the terapysts office.

the therapyst wants to hear about you, and how you feel, in the actual sense, not about how you perceive you should be from others have said.  In fact, should you get in contact with one of the better specialist, they will likely be familiar with most of those books and if they think you are simply quoting from them in order to sound more "real" will catch and trap you easily and quickly and all that will do is make it harder for you to make yourself belieavable rather then just someone who has cheated on a test trying to get a score they could not otherwise have achieved. 

From a lot of what I have read in a lot of writings on many TS/TG boards, there is all to much that comes across like so much is simply a lot of quoting from such books to make themselves sound good.  It is who you are, how you relate and what you really want out of life in the future that matters and that can only come from you and if you try or seem to try for any reason to make it somewhere you would really not want to go, all you can do is hurt yourself, so easy on the books, just be introspective about yourself and what you really want and what that will mean to you some years from now when what you are and what you have is all you will have.

I know that there is always concern about how masculine one may have become over life simply because that is the way they have lived, but that is not a bad thing, nor is it unusuall.  MY own psychologiyst and my two psychiatrists have never once seen me in dresses or skirts or in full makeup or with carefully styled hair etc.  They always see me just as I am on any day of the week and I never get fancy about anything unless it is special and none of them have a problem with that. 


I remember one day when my psychologist asked me about my voice.  There are times when I have to change an appointment or can't make it on a particular day and when that happens I call him to explain it and ask for a new date.

what confused him was that I always answered or talked on the phone with a much closer feminine voice then I normally talk to people who i know well, and he asked about it one day after I had phoned to change an appointment and saw him a few days later.

I simply explained to him that I simply am not as careful with such things in person when I know who I am talking to and it didn't matter to me much if I lost a little of sounding fem to them as genderally in such a case the person I would be talking to perfectly well knew my status anyway. I most always sounded more fem on phone though out of habit unless again, I knew who I was talking to knew and even if they did, I would still do it anyway, again, out of habit. He was perfectly satisphied with that.  It was just that in his office I would often gravitate to my more normal masculine voice which is most often a little soft anyway.

All I'm saying is that from reading books and material from others you can easily obtain ideas of what psychs expect to hear and if those things aren't quite like that in your natural person it can work the wrong way for you or set you up for a verbal trap.

I would hope you wouldn't fall for doing such things, but I only mention it as a precaution as this is new to you and you don't know what to expect.  Be honest with everything you must answer and you won't have a problem.  good luck with it all.

spend your time thinking about the realities of it all, like why do you want to be a woman, how would that be different to you from being a man and what do you expect your life to be like as a woman and how will you handle or think you will handle problems with people who know about you or reject you because of the change.  The simple REAL things in life, not just simple wants and desires.

Terri
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Hazumu

1.  Thank you, Terri, for your words of wisdom on that last post.  It's something I'm looking for as I begin my own journey.

2.  I seriously needed the input from this thread to clarify what I wanted to do in choosing a new name.  Now I'm being guided by an inner voice to a new name that has a bit of alliteration and euphony with my present name.  It's not so far off that friends and family (at least, those that stick around after I announce my intentions,) will have trouble making the mental leap to.  But it's definitely feminine, giving both old acquantances and friends, and new alike, the cues they need to place my name in the proper 'bin' as it were.

I'm still very new at this, and it'll take me a while to wrap myself around both the name and pronoun changes.  But I've been through a couple of glacially-slow personality changes (for example, smoking cessation,) and have recognized that modifying a personality is kind of like orthontia -- you set everything up at the beginning and then apply light but steady and unrelenting pressure in the direction of the desired outcome.  Then you get real patient and wait a long time for the desired results.  So that's why I'm asking all the simplistic, annoying questions now at the outset -- so I have the time to collect the good advice and begin movement in the approximate good direction.  If I'm already heading in the right direction, then course corrections of a few degrees are a breeze.

If anybody else feels they have something to add to this thread, post away.  This is brainstorming, and nothing should be held back or judged inferior.  Myself, I'd rather make a statement and then retract it because I figured out later it wasn't that good, than to not make a statement at all for fear I might have to abase myself and apologise.
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Kimberly

For what it is worth my name hit me and took root. Kimberly is who I am, like it or not. As it happens, I like the name a lot... always have. But it fails my name criteria as someone I know bears the same first name. (I've since learned she actually has the middle name I wanted too, go figure).

As I have said before.
Kim, I am. (=
(*chortle* first time in my life I've been comfortable enough with my name to use an abbreviation too.)


But I am not so much help on when a good legal time would be (that is a question you can ask the therapist as well)

As for cross-dressing... I never did before (imagined it a lot though) but no longer view it as cross-dressing. *chortle* Thankfully I take my fathers view on clothing a lot... If it covers my backside it works fine. (= Regardless though, I'm getting stupidly sick of looking like a dam boy.

I think that what you find is important or not you will find vary from one to the next. I suppose it should come as no surprise that our priorities differ. However, I think it also depends on how well you can deal with things and how your life works. A legal name is a lot more important for most than it is for myself as an example. (There are many good reasons to change name legally it is just very few of those reasons affect me currently.)
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Cassandra

QuoteThere are many good reasons to change name legally it is just very few of those reasons affect me currently

I get were you're coming from Kimberly. At one point the legal name change didn't matter I am Cassandra and that's it. Eventually it just got too inconvienient and so I changed my name. I guess that is as good a measure as any as to when is the right time.

Cassie
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Annie Social

Quote from: Hazumu on December 25, 2005, 10:12:26 PM
Lastly, I don't want the name to be a bad pun, but it wouldn't be bad if the name had some secret significance.

A few years ago, I was researching my family history and came across a person I had never known existed: a little girl named Annie who had died in 1879 at the age of 2. For some reason the thought of this little girl dying so young on the plains of North Texas stuck with me, and when it was time to choose a name the answer was obvious. It's actually Ann E., nickname Annie.
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Kimberly

*nods twice* That is about it in a nut shell. I'll legally change my name before I release my next program for instance but until that time... the damage has already been done as it were. My old name exists on the documents I need already; It's to late to change them... Though technically I suppose instead of renewing my DBA I can file for a new one with new name... *puts on thinking hat* ... In the end what **I** do will probably depend on what timeframes I'm given to work with.

Mind you, I **WANT** my legal name to be proper. It is just not practical for me to run out and change it this very moment if we consider monetary issues alone.

But as you mentioned Cassie... when the old name gets to be an annoyance, that might a good time. (=


Oh! As far as where to look for names, I suggest that you do a google for "baby names"... there are quite a few sites with masses of baby names and other interesting information. It might be a good idea to give precedence to a name that was popular when you were born. Another nice option is your 'if girl' name if you happen to know that.
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HelenW

H was a name that I tried on because it lets me keep the same initials as my male name.  I like the way it sounds.

I looked at, of all things, the Social Security website that has a section that allows you to check the most popular names for the year of your birth.  My choice ended up being in 75th place!  If I continue with transition I may change it again, it depends on how far away I need to go from my former life, but I may just keep it too.
FKA: Emelye

Pronouns: she/her

My rarely updated blog: http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com

Southwestern New York trans support: http://www.southerntiertrans.org/
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Sarah Louise

I never even considered any adaptation of that old name of mine.  I don't really want to be reminded of that person.  That was a name my parents gave to their male child.  I am not that male child, so why would I want to adapt it?  I chose my name for other reasons.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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stephanie

I found that choosing a new name was one of the most fun parts of what I've been through so far.  You get a chance to choose your identity, in a way, instead of having it thrust upon you by people who don't know what kind of person you are yet.  This is your chance to express yourself in a very fundamental way.  Have some fun with it!  :)

When I decided to go through with transition, I quickly realized that I would need a new name, and my birth name really has no feminine version (the closest I could think of was Doris, which I don't see myself as being).  I then remembered back to high school art class when we had to "design" our name in an artistic, self-expressing way.  I've always hated my male name and refused to do the assignment, even though I love art.  While sitting in class, I started "drawing" other names, and one was Stephanie.  The name sounded classy and elegant, and I pictured (probably for the first time) what I would look like as a woman.  I realized that I loved that name and decided to make it my name.  The other option I was considering was Chrystal, but I have since known a Crystal so I didn't want to sound like I had "copied" it. 

My middle name is still undecided, but I'm thinking about Annabelle, since it was the name my ex-wife and I were going to name our daughter, if we ever had one.  (The name Annabelle was a combination of both our mothers' middle names, Anne and Bella.)
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