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Dr. Cardenas and Foreheads Type III? - My Post-Op Photos

Started by jgirl76, May 27, 2014, 08:14:12 PM

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Jennygirl

Hi jgirl- Well to me in that photo, there is nothing that looks remotely male at all.

You my dear are an incredibly attractive female, more-so visually than you were before. It's kinda ridiculous how good you look, actually. Your results look awesome.

You are always going to have a sinus shadow from the side given some angles of light. Even people with the flattest foreheads will have this. I do know what you mean about wanting more of a difference as I understand the difference between Type I / III, but it simply does not show in this photo. You look incredible, natural, and it is obviously a great result that many many people would dream of having. Just keep that in mind ;)

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jgirl76

Quote from: Jennygirl on June 12, 2014, 12:41:54 AM
Hi jgirl- Well to me in that photo, there is nothing that looks remotely male at all.

You my dear are an incredibly attractive female, more-so visually than you were before. It's kinda ridiculous how good you look, actually. Your results look awesome.

You are always going to have a sinus shadow from the side given some angles of light. Even people with the flattest foreheads will have this. I do know what you mean about wanting more of a difference as I understand the difference between Type I / III, but it simply does not show in this photo. You look incredible, natural, and it is obviously a great result that many many people would dream of having. Just keep that in mind ;)

Thank you Jenny for the lovely compliments, you're so sweet! <3  Regardless of how I look "overall" in the bigger picture, I just want other girls to know the difference in these procedures so that they can get the best result possible, a result they will be happy with so they won't have to go under the knife twice (hopefully) - At this point a revision isn't going to make me pass better per say, but it's more of a dysphoric image issue... Seeing the sinus prominence causes me discomfort, regardless of what others may see. It is a fact that my sinus would be less prominent had I received the type III procedure. All in all I do feel very blessed to have the results that I do, and I don't mean to seem ungrateful. Thanks again for the compliments and affirmations, HUGS -J
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crowcrow223

Exactly, when it comes to surgeons, keep it BRUTALLY honest and real. We pay, we have expectations, why would we sugarcoat it? Thanks for keeping it real Jgirl, and to me you look like a supermodel!! Good luck with further plans!! x
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calicarly

Quote from: jgirl76 on June 12, 2014, 01:00:41 AM
Thank you Jenny for the lovely compliments, you're so sweet! <3  Regardless of how I look "overall" in the bigger picture, I just want other girls to know the difference in these procedures so that they can get the best result possible, a result they will be happy with so they won't have to go under the knife twice (hopefully) - At this point a revision isn't going to make me pass better per say, but it's more of a dysphoric image issue... Seeing the sinus prominence causes me discomfort, regardless of what others may see. It is a fact that my sinus would be less prominent had I received the type III procedure. All in all I do feel very blessed to have the results that I do, and I don't mean to seem ungrateful. Thanks again for the compliments and affirmations, HUGS -J

Here is the issue that Jgirl has as I see it ladies,
You all comment on how beautiful she is, how most of you would love to look half as good as her after ffs, etc, etc. But  although FFS alongside the intended feminization creates a beautifying effect still ISN'T about beauty, FFS focus is still achieving the most feminine version of ones self POSSIBLE, and Jgirl is emphasising the fact that if you do want to achieve the maximum level of femininity when it comes to your forehead then she warns that the way to achieve this is through type III reconstruction. Because her possibilities of beauty and feminization are ahead of most ladies, it doesn't mean she should by any means, in my eyes, be treated less aggressively in the feminization process, this isn't some kind of socialist ideal in which the girls that are further ahead shouldn't max out their possibilities and the girls who are in the most desperate need of feminization should be the only ones maxing out the possibilities of what can be done to them. I am trying to really explain a somewhat abstract idea of why Jgirl isn't happy with a mediocre result, and in her shoes, neither would I , even if she looks a 12 ! She deserves to have the aggressive forehead work and go up to a 14 if she wants to... She can and should be allowed and be able to achieve the maximum feminine version of herself. Results regarding FFS aren't comparative, they are individual.

I'm sure I made sense to somebody... She makes a lot of sense to me . And as far as I'm concerned, all the good FFS doctors out there should aim to max out every possibility of feminization individually not comparatively, rather than we improved you, but we didn't think you needed the best forehead work because you're already so feminine, only the most masculine of cases deserve the best forehead work.

Her money is as good as anyone's and she worked as hard as a case whose deemed more in need, so why should her results be affected and stopped short of her max possibilities only cause she already looks great?..

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Jennygirl

Hi calicarly, thanks for your comment. It touches on something I've been thinking about and coming to terms with a lot recently, and that is that there is no true "ideal"- because all that is is a cleverly worded disguise for "perfection" (which doesn't exist).

Being humans, we will always have something to improve about ourselves and our nature will simply not let it go. That is why it has become so important for me to accept certain things and move on... because I can sense it is not a healthy rabbit hole to dive into.

I think as transitioners we get trapped into holding ourselves to a certain ideal.. once the ball is rolling it more easily picks up steam than comes to rest. I think it might possibly be especially true with plastic surgeries. Not saying that I think JG is wrong for wanting a more aggressive approach to her forehead, I could easily see myself feeling the same way so recently after a surgery (I have had feelings like that after almost every surgery in transition).

The bottom line I have been reaching the past couple of months is... we will always have something to work on. Whether it be looks/presentation, career, love, etc.. you name it... there is always going to be something driving us onward seeking improvement of our lives somehow (even if it's just to relax). I guess my point is, is it really necessary to put our bodies through SO much surgically trying to match that ideal- or is it more important to get on with your life and learn to be happy in other ways? I suppose it is a balancing act and requires not only excellent feedback from others but also knowing yourself inside and out. Haven't quite figured it all out yet.

Anyway sorry to go O/T
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jgirl76

Quote from: TearDrops on June 12, 2014, 09:55:39 AM
Thank you for such an intelligently written post. You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately for me,that was the attitude of Dr Cardenas when he performed my FFS last August. Yes it was an improvement, but after 25 years of boxing and a lifetime of street fighting, any work done on my face would of been an improvement, but I still look like a man. Now I have to pay again and go through the whole process again, a horrible and daunting prospect. I was told to wait a year for all the swelling to go down, but it has all gone. That doesn't matter now, because of the attitude that I received from Dr Cardenas and his staff was insulting. I would not go back to him even if he offered to do the revisionary surgery for free. He also completely messed up my chin. Dr Cardenas and his staff are absolute Muppet's [ and that's me being polite about it. ] I believe he could have made a fantastic job of my face, he just didnt put the effort in. My is face such, that if the right surgeon performed FFS, I know an unbelievable, and very feminine result could be achieved.

If you've been a boxer and spent a lifetime street fighting, that could be a TALL order. I don't think Cardenas is a bad surgeon, and I wouldn't go so far as to call his team "muppets" - I found everyone competent and professional. While I do feel a revision is necessary in my case, I would not consider (for myself personally) my surgery to be a failure. -J
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crowcrow223

I'd really like to see the before and after. Really curious.
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Roni

Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 13, 2014, 04:06:04 AM
I'd really like to see the before and after. Really curious.

I did too, but Teardrops is not comfortable sharing her photos, which is completely fine.
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Roni

Just wanted to publicly thank Jgirl for helping me reconsider my FFS options with Dr Cardenas. I'm going in for surgery with Dr Cardenas in roughly a week, and was contemplating posting my results. I might probably just post my results in this thread, but if you girls would prefer a separate thread on my results, I will go ahead and make one.

Right now my biggest concern is my forehead. I am considering getting type III forehead remodeling, and hopefully my results will help answer a lot of our community's questions on Dr. Cardenas' ability and potential. Besides my forehead and nose, I consider the rest of my face pretty feminine and am content with my aesthetics, so I am kind of liking the fact that Cardenas is more on the conservative side, as I am not looking for a transformation but rather a more feminized version of myself.

I will keep you girls updated. :)
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crowcrow223

You look stunning Roni, truly stunning.

Make a new thread please :) I'm really curious.

If you still got a bit more time, take a profile pic so that we could see how much he shaved. i.e. before and after

Teardrops said she will share her photos :)

Good luck!
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Roni

Quote from: crowcrow223 on June 13, 2014, 04:33:00 AM
You look stunning Roni, truly stunning.

Make a new thread please :) I'm really curious.

If you still got a bit more time, take a profile pic so that we could see how much he shaved. i.e. before and after

Teardrops said she will share her photos :)

Good luck!

Thank you!  :)

I am almost afraid to post before and after pics as I look very different and almost non-passable without makeup haha. But yep, I will be sure to post detailed pics, profile and all of that! :)

And Teardrops, if you are more comfortable private-messaging me your photos that would be fine! I feel like your photos would definitely help me in making the right decision and telling Cardenas what it is I expect from him.
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crowcrow223

It doesn't matter if you take the side/profile picture with or without make-up, make-up wont do much to forehead lol :p

BIG hugs and a serious good luck!!!! x You go gurrrlll
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jgirl76

Quote from: Roni on June 13, 2014, 04:14:42 AM
Just wanted to publicly thank Jgirl for helping me reconsider my FFS options with Dr Cardenas. I'm going in for surgery with Dr Cardenas in roughly a week, and was contemplating posting my results. I might probably just post my results in this thread, but if you girls would prefer a separate thread on my results, I will go ahead and make one.

Right now my biggest concern is my forehead. I am considering getting type III forehead remodeling, and hopefully my results will help answer a lot of our community's questions on Dr. Cardenas' ability and potential. Besides my forehead and nose, I consider the rest of my face pretty feminine and am content with my aesthetics, so I am kind of liking the fact that Cardenas is more on the conservative side, as I am not looking for a transformation but rather a more feminized version of myself.

I will keep you girls updated. :)

Roni, TearDrops said she paid Dr. C to do a type III but that in surgery he said she didn't need it... so he didn't do it and the difference in cost was never refunded. It certainly is an allegation that is concerning so if you pay Dr. C for type III I would be clear with him that you expect that to be completed. Just a week away, good luck!  <3 

PS you're welcome! I'm glad I could help by sharing my experience. I hope you will get the best result possible!   
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Roni

Quote from: jgirl76 on June 13, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
Roni, TearDrops said she paid Dr. C to do a type III but that in surgery he said she didn't need it... so he didn't do it and the difference in cost was never refunded. It certainly is an allegation that is concerning so if you pay Dr. C for type III I would be clear with him that you expect that to be completed. Just a week away, good luck!  <3 

PS you're welcome! I'm glad I could help by sharing my experience. I hope you will get the best result possible!

Oh wow. What? Thanks for the heads up on the money issue Teardrops and Jgirl!
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jgirl76

If there is anyone reading this who has had type III with Dr. Cardenas, I would love to hear from you about your experience and results.  Thanks, J
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Alexi90

 jgirl76 I want your opinion I know you're not happy with your forehead but what did you think about the rest ?
I want to go for my nose and adam apple and Dr Mayer costs around 14k and Cardenas is only 6k would you still recommend him ?
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Mariah

Considering this was a necro thread and long since dead plus TOS 5, 10 and 15 violations the thread will remain locked. Hugs
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