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Deeper/lower voice without T?

Started by Hunchdebunch, March 27, 2016, 05:50:42 AM

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Hunchdebunch

Sorry if this topic has come up before and I missed it!

So I'm an AFAB non binary person who doesn't have any interest in going on T, but I often feel dysphoric about my voice. So I was wondering if there's any way I can lower it without T?
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Elis

Before T I tried talking in a more monotone less excitable way and was conscious of trying to only talk from my chest. This helped with the dysphoria somewhat as it made my voice less squeaky. You can also try searching for voice training videos from ftms on youtube. I've never tried them but I've heard they can help some people.
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Dena

Talking in a less expressive voice is part of the solution. The other part is relaxing the muscles between your larynx and your jaw when you speak. Women tend to tense these muscles naturally and MTF tense these muscles as part of our trained voice. CIS males relax this area and use whats called a chest voice. Karen Carpenter used the chest voice in her singing and that's how she produced the rich smokey voice in so many of her songs.

This will most likely produce a tenor voice at best but more likely an alto depending on your starting voce and may sound like a teen boy before much of the change in voice takes place.
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Tristyn

I have a question. What if your birth name still is your legal name and you cannot change it yet due to financial issues, but you have to make important phone calls where you have to give out your legal name? Is there any way around that? Because I get called the wrong pronouns the minute I have to release and confirm my legal name and gender, whether I deepen my voice or not. >:(
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Dena

I had over two years of living in both worlds because I couldn't update my paperwork until i was post surgical. I used cash as much as possible, kept my paper work up to date so I didn't have to used my phone to fix stuff and if I needed to out myself, it was just one of the prices I had to pay that I would fix latter.

For me, being gendered female was something I had to earn and if I am gendered incorrectly, it's because of something I haven't addressed. Until I fixed my voice, I was often mis gendered on the phone but it wasn't their problem, it was mine. As much as we want everything to happen now, the transition takes time.
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Tristyn

Hi Dena.

I only get 50 bucks a month from disability checks. This really sucks and it's near impossible to save this up because I need to buy FTM gear to even be able to function at least 90% on a day-to-day basis. I am going to school to get a certificate so I can hopefully work soon. I know transitioning takes time and I have to accept some things as they are. Just gets to me sometimes and I'm not able to bounce back after being ma'amed to death.

My name and gender on my I.D. is usually what gets me misgendered. It happens so much that I lose my motivation to even transition sometimes. I keep having constant setbacks. I got the letter, but things keep happening to prevent me from getting the help I need. Even my dad admitted that the healthcare system is messed up and they literally stop people from getting the help they need. He said  that's why this one black mentally ill woman murdered her caregiver older sister over the weekend. I pray to God that I never get to that point in my gender dysphoria. :o
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Dena

My story is I knew at age 13 but didn't come out until age 23 because there just wasn't that much treatment available. At age 25 I moved to california from arizona  just to find a doctor who knew something about treating me. That doctor only lasted about a year and a half before I found one who knew what he was doing. I had surgery at age 30 and only then was I permitted to alter my documentation. I was very surprised when I came to this site to learn that most places allow your documents before starting RLE because that wasn't the case for me.

My only protection was a letter from my doctor that explained the reason I was dressed as a woman was because it was a required part of therapy and that he could be called if there were any questions. I never use the letter but as it would out me, I alway thought of it as a get out of jail card like the one in monopoly.

What is available today is so much better than what was available to me, it's like I went to sleep for a third of a century and woke up in a new world. I am glad it's that way for the new people who are being treated today because I paid a heavy price for my transition. The transition will still be difficult but much less than what I faced.

This is something I picked up along the way but I have always lived my life by the idea even before I learned of it.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
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KerryJK

As a singing teacher with a particular interest in transgender vocal techniques, these are the main points I've found:

1) Don't obsess or overcompensate over pitch. 
The pitch difference between male and  female voices is not as great as people think it is (closer to around a fourth than the octave usually assumed) and is certainly not consistent across all men and women.  I've worked with women with naturally low voices and men with naturally high ones. 
So start working with what you've got, pitch-wise.  Increased range will come with practice and physical realignment, but trying to imitate Barry White from the get-go would be like me going to the gym and trying to imitate Arnold Schwarzenegger. 
I'll give an exercise at the end of this to help with range, but for now focus on:

2) Resonance. 
Any sound or voice is a mixture of different frequencies affected by the size of the thing vibrating (in this case, your vocal folds), the area in which it does so (your  larynx), any connected sound boxes (your chest) and filters through which the sound is passed (your throat, glottal, nasal port, lips, teeth etc).  By understanding this, with practice you can emphasise the deeper frequencies you covet.  This will mostly involve learning to open out the larynx and avoiding constriction, which you'll find hard unless you first work on:

3) Deep breathing. 
If you've studied Yoga, Pilates or any similar discipline you'll have learnt to use abdominal and/or lateral muscles to control the diaphragm to make full use of the air in the lungs ('shallow' breathing from the chest is inefficient, does not provide sufficient airflow over the vocal folds and leads to constriction as you try to cause vibrations with neck muscles instead).  I don't think I'm allowed to link to my articles on this yet, so for now I'll just point you towards the nearest Pilates class to get you breathing the right way.  This done, get used to dropping the tension from your neck into the floor so your  larynx can open out and resonate.
This still won't make you convincing though if you get caught up in;

4) Stereotypes, gender myths and other bunk. 
Did you know that all women speak in frilly sing song voices, never swear, choose sentences as if they've stepped out of a Jane Austen novel and cry at the slightest provocation?  And that men all have gruff, monotonous caveman voices that sound the same whether they're ordering a romantic meal or commentating at a monster truck rally?  No, me neither.
In the real world, people are people.  There are differences between the sexes but they're not always the ones people think of and nothing cries phony like someone obviously trying to modify their personality and behaviour to an exaggerated stereotype that just isn't them.  Since the whole point of this is to be yourself as you really are, beware of anyone who tells you you need to pitch everything like the voice over for an action movie trailer (or the Voice of The Mysterons) and reduce your conversation to the level of Beavis and Butthead.  While social conditioning does affect the physical vocal conditioning, even that is variable between cultures and geographical locations and there are a lot of red herrings. 
Now, because you've been good and attentive and read this far, let's get back to pitch.

5) Siren Song.
This exercise, known as sirening for reasons that will become apparent, is possibly the single most useful vocal exercise there is.  With it you can explore and expand the full range of your voice, smooth out gear changes between chest, head and falsetto registers, experiment with changes in resonance and work on specific pitches.
First, say the word "Sing", but instead of finishing off the 'g' consonant hold on to the sound between the 'n' and the 'g', "ng". You should find yourself humming a tone with your mouth slightly open and your tongue flattened out across your mouth lightly touching your upper teeth. Now begin to raise and lower the pitch of that sound so you sound like an old fashioned police siren (hence the name).
As you move the sound up and down, be aware of the physical sensation of how the sound vibrates around your body and anywhere there is unnecessary tension (typically in the neck - see above).  Every day when you practice, work on sliding down to the bottom of your range and immediately bouncing back up again, like a rubber ball.  As you do this you are training your entire vocal tract to get used to operating in that range, strengthening the muscles and, over time, expanding your range to incorporate deeper sounds. 
There are still physical limits - deep soul notes will be as unrealistic for you as virtuoso soprano notes are for me (mezzo soprano I can do), but you won't get near those limits (or even know what they are) unless you work at it.

Hope this is useful, it's an area I'm particularly interested in professionally so would be grateful for any feedback. 
"I don't want to be convincing, I just want to be myself".
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Tristyn

Quote from: KerryJK on March 28, 2016, 06:00:31 AM
As a singing teacher with a particular interest in transgender vocal techniques, these are the main points I've found:

1) Don't obsess or overcompensate over pitch. 
The pitch difference between male and  female voices is not as great as people think it is (closer to around a fourth than the octave usually assumed) and is certainly not consistent across all men and women.  I've worked with women with naturally low voices and men with naturally high ones. 
So start working with what you've got, pitch-wise.  Increased range will come with practice and physical realignment, but trying to imitate Barry White from the get-go would be like me going to the gym and trying to imitate Arnold Schwarzenegger. 
I'll give an exercise at the end of this to help with range, but for now focus on:

2) Resonance. 
Any sound or voice is a mixture of different frequencies affected by the size of the thing vibrating (in this case, your vocal folds), the area in which it does so (your  larynx), any connected sound boxes (your chest) and filters through which the sound is passed (your throat, glottal, nasal port, lips, teeth etc).  By understanding this, with practice you can emphasise the deeper frequencies you covet.  This will mostly involve learning to open out the larynx and avoiding constriction, which you'll find hard unless you first work on:

3) Deep breathing. 
If you've studied Yoga, Pilates or any similar discipline you'll have learnt to use abdominal and/or lateral muscles to control the diaphragm to make full use of the air in the lungs ('shallow' breathing from the chest is inefficient, does not provide sufficient airflow over the vocal folds and leads to constriction as you try to cause vibrations with neck muscles instead).  I don't think I'm allowed to link to my articles on this yet, so for now I'll just point you towards the nearest Pilates class to get you breathing the right way.  This done, get used to dropping the tension from your neck into the floor so your  larynx can open out and resonate.
This still won't make you convincing though if you get caught up in;

4) Stereotypes, gender myths and other bunk. 
Did you know that all women speak in frilly sing song voices, never swear, choose sentences as if they've stepped out of a Jane Austen novel and cry at the slightest provocation?  And that men all have gruff, monotonous caveman voices that sound the same whether they're ordering a romantic meal or commentating at a monster truck rally?  No, me neither.
In the real world, people are people.  There are differences between the sexes but they're not always the ones people think of and nothing cries phony like someone obviously trying to modify their personality and behaviour to an exaggerated stereotype that just isn't them.  Since the whole point of this is to be yourself as you really are, beware of anyone who tells you you need to pitch everything like the voice over for an action movie trailer (or the Voice of The Mysterons) and reduce your conversation to the level of Beavis and Butthead.  While social conditioning does affect the physical vocal conditioning, even that is variable between cultures and geographical locations and there are a lot of red herrings. 
Now, because you've been good and attentive and read this far, let's get back to pitch.

5) Siren Song.
This exercise, known as sirening for reasons that will become apparent, is possibly the single most useful vocal exercise there is.  With it you can explore and expand the full range of your voice, smooth out gear changes between chest, head and falsetto registers, experiment with changes in resonance and work on specific pitches.
First, say the word "Sing", but instead of finishing off the 'g' consonant hold on to the sound between the 'n' and the 'g', "ng". You should find yourself humming a tone with your mouth slightly open and your tongue flattened out across your mouth lightly touching your upper teeth. Now begin to raise and lower the pitch of that sound so you sound like an old fashioned police siren (hence the name).
As you move the sound up and down, be aware of the physical sensation of how the sound vibrates around your body and anywhere there is unnecessary tension (typically in the neck - see above).  Every day when you practice, work on sliding down to the bottom of your range and immediately bouncing back up again, like a rubber ball.  As you do this you are training your entire vocal tract to get used to operating in that range, strengthening the muscles and, over time, expanding your range to incorporate deeper sounds. 
There are still physical limits - deep soul notes will be as unrealistic for you as virtuoso soprano notes are for me (mezzo soprano I can do), but you won't get near those limits (or even know what they are) unless you work at it.

Hope this is useful, it's an area I'm particularly interested in professionally so would be grateful for any feedback.

Hi Kerry.

This was an awesome post with great, scientific tips on how to change our vocal range to a deeper tone. Thank you very much for providing us with this advice. Even though my deepended voice does not match my legal name and gender to most people, I still wanna start deepening my voice 24/7 just to feel real and confident in who I am.
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KerryJK

Thanks - let me know how you get on.

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