Late male puberty without T?

[Thatoneguyyouknow]

Hi guys,

I've been pondering on this for awhile but, I was wondering is it possible to experience the "male puberty" symptoms that one would feel on T without being on T? I'm pre T.


Lately my libido has been very high. I've had a weekend/week where all i could image was being with my gf in a very sexual way and feeling my downstairs very swollen. I'm still noticing my downstairs randomly aroused thru out the day/week just cause. I think I'm starting to have some downstairs growth cause of it? Just to clarify, I do feel a phantom penis from time to time, especially when I'm aroused, so now when I imagine myself doing something sexual with my gf, it feels like I can really feel it. I find it werid but cool at the same time.

My emotions/hormones have also been kinda everywhere it feels. One day I feel so confident, the next day i feel kinda sad/meh/withdrawn, next day I feel on and off dysphoria for no real reason.

Also my gf is starting to noticed my jaw squaring out more as well as myself noticing a little chin hair other then my already had mustache.

Could all this be a sign of late male puberty? I'm 25 so....Idk. I do feel extremely more masculine then I used to be but at the same time I still feel like a "teenage" looking boy combating with the age dysphoria of knowing I'm suppose to look more like a "grown up" man. I think the older I age, the more of age dysphoria starts to bother me. My mind knows I'm not suppose to be looking like a little boy still stuck in high school. Deep down inside my mind and body knows I'm suppose to have an older looking male body, so I'm wondering it it's trying to push for that.

I would love to go on T but at the moment I combating with health problems, and it's starting to look like taking T will not be in my future. So I'm hoping very badly maybe it's possible that the body can natural produce enough T by itself for a transition. Is it possible?

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[Ms Grace]

I'd say it's unlikely. Rather your body is probably just producing more T than is considered "average" for a genetic female body. Could be diet, could be endocrine, could be genetic. Maybe get it checked out.

[graspthesanity]

I've heard of such cases, where your body starts producing hormones and you enter a puberty really. Also, I'm sort of going through one as well, but in my case it's because when I was growing up I was put on a contraception pill and that messed up my hormones really badly and naturally people in my family have very high T and everyone has facial hair and whatnot. So I'm getting it now.

I'd just be happy about it, like I am now, because it's a huge confidence boost and whatnot. But also, when you can you can get it checked, just in case.


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[Thatoneguyyouknow]

I see. Well I have been eating a lot better lately. Other then that, the only thing I would link it to is my thyroid problems. I have hypothyroid, but it's pretty much around a normal level tho. I mean I'm scared to get it checked out thru a doctor cause I don't want the doctor to pressure me to start taking Estrogen if my testosterone levels are too high. I mean having high testosterone levels in a female body isn't a bad thing right? Cause isn't that the same as just adding outside testosterone like T? I know I don't have PCOS or nothing so I'm not too worried about it.

[FTMax]

I did have some symptoms of high testosterone, but I also had PCOS. AFAIK, even with a condition like this where my T levels were elevated, it wasn't enough to do things like lower my voice, give me any downstairs growth, or redistribute my fat. All I got was some random facial hair, thicker body hair, and skin issues from puberty onward. And there was still a noticeable difference in all of those things when I started T at 25.

I don't think it is possible to have a puberty that is delayed until mid-twenties. But if it helps you to believe that's what it is, then go for it. How positive are you that you don't have PCOS? It could definitely be related to your thyroid issues, and I would encourage you to see a doctor to get your levels looked at. And even if they pressured you to take E to balance things out, you don't have to. That's your choice. You'd just be living with higher T levels.

If T feels out of reach at the moment, you could look into natural transitioning. Some guys have luck with it, some don't. You basically have to eat and exercise like a bodybuilder to see any significant difference, but it may help you feel like you're making progress.

[Thatoneguyyouknow]

I did have some symptoms of high testosterone, but I also had PCOS. AFAIK, even with a condition like this where my T levels were elevated, it wasn't enough to do things like lower my voice, give me any downstairs growth, or redistribute my fat. All I got was some random facial hair, thicker body hair, and skin issues from puberty onward. And there was still a noticeable difference in all of those things when I started T at 25.

I don't think it is possible to have a puberty that is delayed until mid-twenties. But if it helps you to believe that's what it is, then go for it. How positive are you that you don't have PCOS? It could definitely be related to your thyroid issues, and I would encourage you to see a doctor to get your levels looked at. And even if they pressured you to take E to balance things out, you don't have to. That's your choice. You'd just be living with higher T levels.

If T feels out of reach at the moment, you could look into natural transitioning. Some guys have luck with it, some don't. You basically have to eat and exercise like a bodybuilder to see any significant difference, but it may help you feel like you're making progress.

I'm pretty positive I don't have PCOS, for one nobody in my family has it, two I don't have missed periods or irregular periods, acne, or gaining weight. If anything it's hard for me to keep weight even when I recently developed hypothyroid. But now thinking back to it, at one time the doctor did look at my hormone levels in the blood when looking at my thyroid levels and they didn't say anything about my Testosterone or Estrogen being outside of normal levels. I think I just had high T levels all my life, it's just I guess I have times when they're higher.

Natural transitioning sounds really good for my options right now. I just starting getting more serious about working out and my diet is pretty much already healthy, so hopefully that helps.

[mac1]

I see. Well I have been eating a lot better lately. Other then that, the only thing I would link it to is my thyroid problems. I have hypothyroid, but it's pretty much around a normal level tho. I mean I'm scared to get it checked out thru a doctor cause I don't want the doctor to pressure me to start taking Estrogen if my testosterone levels are too high. I mean having high testosterone levels in a female body isn't a bad thing right? Cause isn't that the same as just adding outside testosterone like T? I know I don't have PCOS or nothing so I'm not too worried about it.

As far as I am aware, estrogen is not the treatment for thyroid problems.  However, if the doctor suggests estrogen, you don't have to agree and accept it.

Have you developed any male growth characteristics?

[Thatoneguyyouknow]

As far as I am aware, estrogen is not the treatment for thyroid problems.  However, if the doctor suggests estrogen, you don't have to agree and accept it.

Have you developed any male growth characteristics?

Not really much other then what I already had. I've always had a hairy body and could pretty much always grew a mustache since I was a teen as well as a some what deep/teen male voice. Already been feeling a phantom penis and having the urge to be with a female sexually.

Only difference now is just maybe abit more facial hair, just feel abit more confident/strong more masculine about myself, random strong libido, maybe some noticable downstairs growth (not quite sure but seems like it ) and my gf says my chin/jaw is squaring out abit then what it used to look like..

[mac1]

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Only difference now is just maybe abit more facial hair, just feel abit more confident/strong more masculine about myself, random strong libido, maybe some noticable downstairs growth (not quite sure but seems like it ) and my gf says my chin/jaw is squaring out abit then what it used to look like..

Is it just starting or has there always been some there?  How important is that for you?

[Thatoneguyyouknow]

Is it just starting or has there always been some there?  How important is that for you?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "has there always been some there". I mean it's been more noticable then normal recently in size and how much/how strong it's been getting "engorged" when aroused . As for how important it is to me, I mean I would love some growth downstairs, would help me feel more masculine about my body that's for sure and similar to what I would be hoping to get if I could go on T. I mean it's not everything, especially when I already feel a phantom penis but it would help.

[WorkingOnThomas]

I have severe PCOS and while I did get an Adam's apple and a lot of facial hair as a teenager - and a whole lot more in my twenties - as well as some downstair's growth and an elevated sex-drive, it has not really brought on a male puberty.

If you are experiencing similar things, I would strongly advise you to get yourself checked out. Elevated testosterone levels resulting in such noticeable changes can be brought on by (as in my case) PCOS, but can also be caused by tumours according to my doctor. This is not an area in which you want to just wait and see what happens.

[Thatoneguyyouknow]

I have severe PCOS and while I did get an Adam's apple and a lot of facial hair as a teenager - and a whole lot more in my twenties - as well as some downstair's growth and an elevated sex-drive, it has not really brought on a male puberty.

If you are experiencing similar things, I would strongly advise you to get yourself checked out. Elevated testosterone levels resulting in such noticeable changes can be brought on by (as in my case) PCOS, but can also be caused by tumours according to my doctor. This is not an area in which you want to just wait and see what happens.

I see. I think I'm mostly just scared to even go and find out. I mean researching it there is no cure other then to keep it at bay with taking birth control and estrogen and other stuff. I do not want to be placed on estrogen , nor can I take birth control (I've had blood clots from taking birth contol before hand). I already am eating healthy as well as working out. I have no problems with my weight (I'm always at my BMI) as well as no problems with my periods or any pain down stairs. As well as nobody in my family having it. But....I guess I'll see if I can bring it up with my doctor next time and see what they say I guess. 

[WorkingOnThomas]

Well, there is the ultimate cure for PCOS - which I will eventually avail myself of - having all that stuff removed. Not like I'm going to use it.

And yes, they usually do recommend the pill, or the mini-pill, if you have severe symptoms. I tried that myself, and it was awful. But proper diet and exercise really does help. Contains a lot of the symptoms I don't like, and leaves the ones I'm generally in favour of.

But in any case, you should know. If you have any plans to ever go on T, they'll insist that you get that checked out. May as well do it now and get it out of the way.

[Thatoneguyyouknow]

Well, there is the ultimate cure for PCOS - which I will eventually avail myself of - having all that stuff removed. Not like I'm going to use it.

And yes, they usually do recommend the pill, or the mini-pill, if you have severe symptoms. I tried that myself, and it was awful. But proper diet and exercise really does help. Contains a lot of the symptoms I don't like, and leaves the ones I'm generally in favour of.

But in any case, you should know. If you have any plans to ever go on T, they'll insist that you get that checked out. May as well do it now and get it out of the way.

I didn't even think about that, about just having all the stuff removed. That makes sense. At this time I'm still fighting with my thyroid problems, so I'm not quite sure if I can get on T cause of the already health problems I have. But if I did have PCOS and I didn't have a choice, I most def would just have them put me on T instead of estrogen. So here's to hoping in the future everything checks out well. I wish you a good surgery when you have it removed.