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M2F HRT and epilepsy complications

Started by Brooke, March 02, 2016, 12:20:30 AM

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Brooke

Hello again,

I am trying to find any research, studies, any information that is EBM (evidence based medicine) backed.

I have an epileptic disorder secondary to Cerebral Palsy that presented at the beginning of puberty along with severe migraines 

I was on topamax for over 15 years, eventually building up a tolerance and having breakthrough seizure activity starting a couple years ago. After switching to Keppra about 18 months ago, all seizure activity (simple motor and complex partial) stopped and have been under control for the past year.

I have found research showing that HRT for menopausal women have shown to be a risk factor for some with a history of epilepsy. I have also found research that points to fluctuating hormone levels through the monthly cycle being a strong culprit for many women's lower seizure threshold.

Specifically I'm looking for studies that might indicate a generalised risk, estrogen, anti androgen, and progesterone effects.  My impression is that it has more to do with fluctuations in hormone levels, increased estrogen and decreased progesterone throughout the month. This leads me to believe until I reach a steady state and therapeutic level my seizure threshold would be most unpredictable.

I am trying to find the research to pass on to my neurologist, in order to get the all clear. No self dosing here.

Any papers, research studies and even personal experiences are welcome.

Thanks!
Brooke 


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Mariah

Hi Brooke. I also have Epilepsy and I'm on Keppra along with HRT. They will likely just control your hormone levels very closely. It shouldn't be an issue otherwise, but it is best to check with your neurologist and the endo. My neurologist was very clear about warning meaning to take things slowly with HRT especially at first since he said estrogen can increase seizure activity. Those are his words and not mine. Although based on what I have seen with my own body I would say that is true. Best to be careful and talk to your doctors. You may have luck in medical journals beyond that. Hugs
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immortal gypsy

Hi Brooke I'm also have epilepsy, I'm currently on Keppra, Vimpat, Zonegram and Gabapentin. I believe I know the study talking about, and some anecdotal comments on some of the epilepsy boards referring look positive to give to your neurologist to give you the all clear.

When I told my do my neurologist that I wished to start HRT she warned me my epilepsy could flair up again. As you are basically having a second puberty in your body, and doses may need to be adjusted. My doctors have always started my HRT medication and and adjustments on a very gradual slope to give my time to adjust, and so we could watch for seizures

Good luck I hope things work out well for you
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KayXo

Estradiol is stimulatory/excitatory, progesterone has a calming effect thus the former may exacerbate epilepsy, the latter reduce it. The important thing is stable levels. In your case, taking both may be beneficial. Other than bio-identical progesterone, other relatively safe progestins (according to the literature) to take are dydrogesterone and hydroxyprogesterone caproate. Bio progesterone is especially beneficial due to its sedative effects (on top of its anti-estrogenic actions). This is because of the actions of its metabolite called allopregnanolone. Provera (medroxyprogesterone acetate) may exacerbate epilepsy.

Apparently, some forms of epilepsy are estrogen (sex hormone)-dependent (catamenial), some aren't so that those that are dependent would likely benefit from a good balance between estrogen and progesterone.

Some drugs for epilepsy may increase metabolization of estrogen and progesterone taken orally (like carbamazepine), hence it could be preferable to take non-orally BUT progesterone taken orally produces much higher levels of allopregnanolone, responsible for sedative (positive) effects. Finasteride/dutasteride reduce allopregnanolone concentrations and as such, should perhaps be avoided in your case. I'm not a doctor so please discuss this with an expert before doing anything.

I read of one transwoman whose epilepsy stopped after her sex reassignment surgery. :) Doctors concluded epilepsy was due to trauma of being a "man", not feeling right in her body.

Also, it has been known for a century, almost, that a ketogenic diet can improve seizures where drugs fail. You can watch the movie "First Do No Harm" (1997), it features the well-known actress Meryl Streep.

Front Pharmacol. 2012 Apr 9;3:59.

"The most notable example of a dietary treatment with proven efficacy against a neurological condition is the high-fat, low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet (KD) used in patients with medically intractable epilepsy. While the mechanisms through which the KD works remain unclear, there is now compelling evidence that its efficacy is likely related to the normalization of aberrant energy metabolism."

"The ketogenic diet (KD) is now a proven therapy for drug-resistant epilepsy (Vining et al., 1998; Neal et al., 2008), and while the mechanisms underlying its anticonvulsant effects remain incompletely understood (Hartman et al., 2007; Bough and Stafstrom, 2010; Rho and Stafstrom, 2011), there is mounting experimental evidence for its broad neuroprotective properties and in turn, emerging data supporting its use in multiple neurological disease states (Baranano and Hartman, 2008). Even in patients with medically refractory epilepsy who have remained seizure-free on the KD for 2 years or more, it is not uncommon for clinicians to observe that both anticonvulsant medications and the diet can be successfully discontinued without recrudescence of seizures (Freeman et al., 2007). This intriguing clinical observation forms the basis of the hypothesis that the KD may possess anti-epileptogenic properties."

"There is no longer any doubt that the KD is effective in ameliorating seizures in patients, especially children, with medically refractory epilepsy (Vining, 1999; Neal et al., 2008; Freeman et al., 2009). After its introduction in 1920, the KD was used as a first or second-line treatment for severe childhood epilepsy."

"The KD has now become an integral part of the armamentarium of most major epilepsy centers throughout the world (Kossoff and McGrogan, 2005)."

"Kang et al. (2007) reported that the KD was both safe and effective in 14 pediatric patients with established mitochondrial defects in complexes I, II, and IV, all of whom had medically intractable epilepsy. These authors observed that half of these patients became seizure-free on the KD, and only four patients failed to respond."

Neurology. 2014 Jul 22;83(4):345-8.

"To determine whether allopregnanolone (AP) may mediate seizure reduction in progesterone-treated women with epilepsy."

"The findings support AP as a mediator of seizure reduction in progesterone-treated women who have a substantial level of perimenstrually exacerbated seizures."

Horm Behav. 2013 Feb;63(2):267-77.

"Epilepsy is the third most common chronic neurological disorder. Clinical and experimental evidence supports the role of sex and influence of sex hormones on seizures and epilepsy as well as alterations of the endocrine system and levels of sex hormones by epileptiform activity. Conversely, seizures are sensitive to changes in sex hormone levels, which in turn may affect the seizure-induced neuronal damage. The effects of reproductive hormones on neuronal excitability and seizure-induced damage are complex to contradictory and depend on different mechanisms, which have to be accounted for in data interpretation. Both estradiol and progesterone/allopregnanolone may have beneficial effects for patients with epilepsy. Individualized hormonal therapy should be considered as adjunctive treatment in patients with epilepsy to improve seizure control as well as quality of life." (full article is FREE).

Neurol Sci. 2011 May;32 Suppl 1:S31-5.

"Oestrogen and progesterone have specific receptors in the central nervous system and are able to regulate neuronal development and plasticity, neuronal excitability, mitochondrial energy production, and neurotransmitter synthesis, release, and transport. On neuronal excitability, estradiol and progesterone seem to have an opposite effect, with estradiol being excitatory and progesterone and its derivative allopregnanolone being inhibitory. Estradiol augments N-methyl-D-aspartate-mediated glutamate receptor activity, while progesterone enhances gamma-aminobutyric acid-mediated chloride conductance. Sex steroid regulation of the balance of neuroexcitatory and neuroinhibitory activities may have a role in modulating clinical susceptibility to different neurological conditions such as migraine, catamenial epilepsy, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, and premenstrual syndrome."

Curr Neurol Neurosci Rep. 2011 Aug;11(4):435-42.

"Reproductive hormones have been found to have a role in the pathogenesis and treatment of seizures by also altering neuronal excitability, especially in women with catamenial epilepsy. The female reproductive hormones have in general opposing effects on neuronal excitability; estrogens generally impart a proconvulsant neurophysiologic tone, whereas the progestogens have anticonvulsant effects. It follows then that fluctuations in the levels of serum progesterone and estrogen throughout a normal reproductive cycle bring about an increased or decreased risk of seizure occurrence based upon the serum estradiol/progesterone ratio. Therefore, using progesterone, its metabolite allopregnanolone, or other hormonal therapies have been explored in the treatment of patients with epilepsy."

Epilepsy Behav. 2008 Jul;13(1):12-24.

"Although sex steroids such as estradiol, progesterone, and the progesterone derivative allopregnanolone (ALLO) influence numerous neurotransmitter systems, it is their potent effect on the brain's primary inhibitory and excitatory neurotransmitters gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) and glutamate that links the study of premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD) and catamenial epilepsy (CE). After providing an overview of these menstrual cycle-linked disorders, this article focuses on the preclinical and clinical research investigating the role of estradiol and progesterone (via ALLO) in the etiology of PMDD and CE."

Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 2004 Sep;26(7):547-61.

"Generally, progesterone has antiseizure effects, while estrogens facilitate seizure susceptibility. The progesterone metabolite allopregnanolone has been identified as a key endogenous neurosteroid with powerful antiseizure activity. Allopregnanolone is a potent, positive allosteric modulator of GABA(A) receptors. Progesterone and allopregnanolone exposure and withdrawal affects GABA(A) receptor plasticity. In animal models, withdrawal from chronic progesterone and, consequently, of allopregnanolone levels in brain, has been shown to increase seizure susceptibility. Natural progesterone therapy is proven to be effective in women with epilepsy."

Epilepsia. 2001 Feb;42(2):216-9.

"These data are consistent with a role for allopregnanolone in the control of neuronal excitability and seizures."

J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 1999 Feb;288(2):679-84.
Finasteride, a 5alpha-reductase inhibitor, blocks the anticonvulsant activity of progesterone in mice.


"Progesterone is an effective anticonvulsant against pentylenetetrazol (PTZ) seizures. This action is hypothesized to require the metabolic conversion of progesterone to the gamma-aminobutyric acidA receptor potentiating neuroactive steroid allopregnanolone by 5alpha-reductase isoenzymes followed by 3alpha-hydroxy oxidoreduction."

"The anticonvulsant activity of progesterone against PTZ-induced seizures can be blocked by 5alpha-reductase inhibition, providing strong evidence that the anticonvulsant effect of the steroid in this model is mediated by its active metabolite allopregnanolone."

Hopefully, this is helpful. :)
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Brooke

@KayXO Thank you so much for all the research (and sources). This is exactly what I was looking for to get my neurolgist in the loop as to what I know, and a good launch pad for further discussion on the potential risks. Your resources also confirm what I have seen in my own research. Always good to see more info on Keto Diets. I have had great sucess with the Keto Diet, which Ive been on for the past six months.

@ immortal gypsy & Mariah: Thank you for sharing, very hopeful and encouraging. Definitely the route that I hope my own journey will take. So good to know it can and has been trekked before.
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HughE

According to this article,

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1528-1157.2001.07600.x/full

QuoteEstrogens increase brain excitability and appear to activate interictal epileptiform activity, whereas progesterone has an inhibitory effect and reduces epileptiform activity

If you read the article, it's not the progesterone itself that produces the anticonvulsant effect, but allopregnanolone (an important neurosteroid that's one of the main metabolites of progesterone). This means that progestins (such as hydroxyprogesterone caproate and Provera) aren't going to be beneficial, since they aren't metabolised into allopregnanolone. In fact, they could make things worse, by confusing your body into thinking there's more progesterone present than there actually is, and causing it to ramp down its own progesterone production.
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KayXo

Her own progesterone production is already VERY low, negligible and besides, estrogen/anti-androgens will shut down testicular production of hormones and hence progesterone. Taking a progestogen other than bio-identical progesterone will indeed be less beneficial because of the lack of allopregnanolone production which plays an important role in improving sex hormone related epilepsies BUT it will still help oppose estrogen to a certain degree, hence reducing excitability.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Brooke

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone again. I finally had my neuro appointment today. He thought hrt might effect my migraines during the time of starting and reaching a steady state. He did not believe that hrt would affect my seizure threshold - in facr wanted to lower my current dose to reduce side effects (KD rocks!)

In any case coming prepared with documentation was perfect.

Have my appointment set for hrt on May 5th

Woohoo!
Hugs,
Brooke


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KayXo

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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