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Started by Orielle, April 17, 2016, 08:35:11 AM

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Orielle

Hi all,

So I mentioned in another thread somewhere that I was going to a wedding this weekend. Well, I just got back and need to say something about it, because it left a bit of a mark.

So, I arrived Friday afternoon, settled in where I was staying and then arranged to have dinner with my immediate family (siblings, nephews), and that was good. I turned up in casual boy clothes and I had enough feminine touches to keep me in a good place mentally. I was able to be soft, loving and fun, and that was good (and an improvement on the last time I was with my immediate family...I think this is a result of my recent self-acceptance).

The next day was the day of the wedding. For that I wore a suit, which felt very masculine. My hair was down like a boys (it's not long enough to look feminine when down atm) and there wasn't much I could do to feminise my look (I wore stud earrings, but I always do at the moment). Needless to say, the combination of the restrictive clothing and the extra stress of being surrounded by lots of people I didn't know and some other family members, slowly and subtlety started getting to me. Hour by hour I could feel myself getting darker mentally and frankly I was relieved when I was able to leave at the end of the night after the reception / party.

This morning I purchased an earlier ticket back home at extra cost to me, as I just needed to get out of there and get back home to try and get back to a peaceful place in my head. I was so worked up by this point that I was pretty much permanently angry and probably a potential danger to anyone who crossed my path (I'm not a violent person, but I certainly felt like I wanted to be).

So, anyway, now I'm back home and decompressing and I can feel myself starting to return to normal, which is good, and hopefully I'll be back to a more positive place soon, but I just wanted to ask:

Do these feelings and scenarios tend to correlate with everyone else's experiences of hiding their real selves or am I just a bit of a freakazoid?

All thoughts welcomed...

Orielle
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suzifrommd

I agree. It's tough having to hide who we are.

It really helped me to have a transition plan, to know exactly how/when I was going to be my complete self. To do that I had to be willing to decouple my transition from passability. I was willing to transition without being passable. It helped that I know a lot of non-passing trans women and they seem happy with their transitions. If I'd decided to wait until I was done with electrolysis or until HRT had changed my face, I would have gone crazy, not know how long it could be before I could be myself.

As it turned out, I became passable only a few weeks after going full-time, but even if I hadn't, the knowledge of exactly when I was going to be my female self was vital in keeping my mental health during that time when I was pretending to be male.
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Megan.

You're not alone. I had a similar experience, I was at a job interview, and felt really bad, not because of the interview, I'm always really relaxed about those, but because I was fully suited in maximum male mode, I almost ran out of the office before the interview even started. I guess it's just part of the journey, it's hard at the time, but I take it as a positive sign that my female side is continuing to grow and get stronger and louder.
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Eva Marie

Being in that awkward "in between" phase while transitioning is a very tough spot. We do the best we can while allowing the process to work both physically and socially, but it's still tough.

I completely understand how you were feeling. Putting on guy clothes was very uncomfortable mentally for me the six months before I went full time, and that was just putting on jeans and a t-shirt. Putting on a suit and knotting a tie and attending a social event would have been horribly traumatic.

I was on a transitioning dose of HRT for about a year before several male fails convinced me that it was time to make a transition plan with help from my therapist. The male fails told me that I was on extremely thin ice and that people at work were going to begin noticing the changes very soon; I wanted to get in front of that happening. Knowing that I was in a "have to" situation made it a little easier for me to press forward.

I scheduled my name change (I had to wait 6 weeks for a court date) and I began making plans for the day I showed up en femme. I showed up as "him" one week, did my name/gender change in court on a Monday, and showed up for work as Eva wearing heels and carrying a purse on that Wednesday. I was then full time for better or worse (and it was better!).

I hope that you don't have to do the pretend male thing much longer.
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Elis

I don't want to encroach on mtf space but thought this may help. I had a family wedding Sept 2014 (my cousins) and this was before I came out and started transitioning. I decided to wear trousers; mens shoes and a white short sleeved mens shirt that wasn't overly masculine. I also had my hair medium length at the time; kinda like zac efron's in high school musical. So of course I felt completely awkward and hated every minute being there. I especially disliked having to talk to family members who I weren't close too and who were probably wondering why I looked like a dude. Plus I looked at my male cousins and wished I had the guts to wear a handsome looking suit like there's. I cringe each time I think of that wedding and endlessly thankful how far I've come since then mentally and physically  (now on T).
I have a family reunion coming up July and am sorta looking forward to it; although I know it's going to be very awkward. I can finally wear a very masculine shirt without caring what others think and got rid of my old hairstyle in favor of an undercut with a slight quiff.
I never thought I'd actually be brave enough to be myself or be were I am now transitioning wise. So try not to get yourself down about the wedding. Take a few days to relax; rest and put on some cute women's clothes. Soon your family will meet the real you and all those things you had to put yourself through will be so so worth it :)
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Quote from: Elis on April 17, 2016, 12:12:05 PM
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Orielle

Apologies for the late reply...couldn't access the site last night for some reason! (luckily I saved my reply!)

Quote from: suzifrommd on April 17, 2016, 08:54:47 AM
I agree. It's tough having to hide who we are.

It really helped me to have a transition plan, to know exactly how/when I was going to be my complete self. To do that I had to be willing to decouple my transition from passability.
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the knowledge of exactly when I was going to be my female self was vital in keeping my mental health during that time when I was pretending to be male.

That sounds like a really sensible way forward. For me, it's still quite early days, so I'm just taking steps to validate my feelings in the best way I can think of.

I think that in order to compare my feminine experience fairly with my masculine one, I need to be able to wake up and look feminine with the minimum amount of work, as currently looking masculine requires no effort whatsoever and I don't want endless 5 o' clock shadow cover ups and getting clocked because of my beard to artificially reduce the quality of that comparison, so connecting that to your point, I think for me, knowing when my beard removal will be finished is probably the thing that will help me the most right now.

FYI, I'm pre-everything right now (well, I've removed all of my body hair with IPL as it was easy to do that at home and without anyone knowing and I've started taking 1mg finasteride for my hairline). I haven't yet booked my (laser) beard removal because I wanted to wait until after the wedding so that no one has to see me in a state of inbetween-ness!

Quote from: meganjames2 on April 17, 2016, 09:30:39 AM
You're not alone. I had a similar experience, I was at a job interview, and felt really bad, not because of the interview, I'm always really relaxed about those, but because I was fully suited in maximum male mode, I almost ran out of the office before the interview even started. I guess it's just part of the journey, it's hard at the time, but I take it as a positive sign that my female side is continuing to grow and get stronger and louder.

Thanks for sharing that and I'm glad that you were able to reframe it in to a positive. I generally try and stay positive too, so I'll take my experience as a sign that I need to move further forward a little quicker to reach a better balance in the short term (I've been deliberately taking things slowly as I'm generally fairly cautious, with backup plans for my backup plans!).

TBH, I think I really underestimated quite how masculine I would look and felt in that suit and quite how much it would affect me!

Quote from: Eva Marie on April 17, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Being in that awkward "in between" phase while transitioning is a very tough spot. We do the best we can while allowing the process to work both physically and socially, but it's still tough.

I completely understand how you were feeling. Putting on guy clothes was very uncomfortable mentally for me the six months before I went full time, and that was just putting on jeans and a t-shirt. Putting on a suit and knotting a tie and attending a social event would have been horribly traumatic.

I was on a transitioning dose of HRT for about a year before several male fails convinced me that it was time to make a transition plan with help from my therapist. The male fails told me that I was on extremely thin ice and that people at work were going to begin noticing the changes very soon; I wanted to get in front of that happening. Knowing that I was in a "have to" situation made it a little easier for me to press forward.

I scheduled my name change (I had to wait 6 weeks for a court date) and I began making plans for the day I showed up en femme. I showed up as "him" one week, did my name/gender change in court on a Monday, and showed up for work as Eva wearing heels and carrying a purse on that Wednesday. I was then full time for better or worse (and it was better!).

I hope that you don't have to do the pretend male thing much longer.

Thank you for your story and your empathy, I appreciate it! :-)

Clearly having a plan is a good thing and I do, but it's at a much less advanced stage as I'm only finding myself rather late in my life (I'm 38 y/o) and it's only been months, so my (independent) plan is to pass and live full-time without hormones for one year to validate my feelings. If it goes well, then I will go and talk to my doctor and ask about hormones, and if it doesn't, I'll just be a guy with no hair on my face and body and a more generous amount on my head. I'm absolutely happy to trade the cost of being an effeminate guy for the reassurance of knowing that I'm doing the right thing, just in case things go wrong and I lose faith in my direction.

I guess that's just my practical, cautious side coming out, but having felt like a stranger to myself much of my life, I feel like I can't entirely trust my feelings in this matter... (as much as I want to!)

Quote from: Elis on April 17, 2016, 12:12:05 PM
I don't want to encroach on mtf space but thought this may help. I had a family wedding Sept 2014 (my cousins) and this was before I came out and started transitioning. I decided to wear trousers; mens shoes and a white short sleeved mens shirt that wasn't overly masculine. I also had my hair medium length at the time; kinda like zac efron's in high school musical. So of course I felt completely awkward and hated every minute being there. I especially disliked having to talk to family members who I weren't close too and who were probably wondering why I looked like a dude. Plus I looked at my male cousins and wished I had the guts to wear a handsome looking suit like there's. I cringe each time I think of that wedding and endlessly thankful how far I've come since then mentally and physically  (now on T).
I have a family reunion coming up July and am sorta looking forward to it; although I know it's going to be very awkward. I can finally wear a very masculine shirt without caring what others think and got rid of my old hairstyle in favor of an undercut with a slight quiff.
I never thought I'd actually be brave enough to be myself or be were I am now transitioning wise. So try not to get yourself down about the wedding. Take a few days to relax; rest and put on some cute women's clothes. Soon your family will meet the real you and all those things you had to put yourself through will be so so worth it :)

Absolutely all input is welcome regardless of gender (we're all in this together as far as I'm concerned!).

Thank you for your words and reassurance! I think the thing you touch on, which is key, is self-acceptance and being comfortable in your own decision. I think that's probably where I'm struggling a little bit at the moment. Not in my current direction as I'm currently 100% committed to moving forward with a more feminine me. While I fully expect to present full-femme, quite how far I go "underneath the hood" is still something very unknown to me. That unknown coupled with a perfectly reasonable "am I really doing the right thing?", is probably enough to destabilise me in any kind of slightly uncomfortable situation, so I think that ultimately it's just something I need to work on.


Anyway, thank you everyone for your input. This has probably been my first really difficult experience and your words have definitely helped. Living and working at home, means I currently avoid a lot of the difficulties that other people going through transition experience, and probably has the negative side effect of making me a little less prepared when I do go out with my current feelings as that bubble I current live in has a somewhat protecting effect.

I'm going to take all of your advice on board, and focus on making meaningful forward movement with a timed plan to help gain confidence in my feelings and my future, stay positive, and finally, become fabulous! ;-)

(ok...well that last bit is probably a bit optional, but that's the goal!)

Orielle
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Cindy

Just an aside. I had a similar experience before I went FT. I was at a colleagues wedding, she knew I was transitioning but I turned up in boy mode. She didn't say anything and I left as early as possible.

When she returned from her honeymoon she told me off. 'I hate people being false to themselves. I'm having dinner with the bridesmaids and my girlfriends next week, you are invited. You had better be there, and you had better be Cindy.'

OK I'm her boss, but what would I know?

I went and had a great evening. It was one of my coming out triggers.
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KarynMcD

Quote from: Elis on April 17, 2016, 12:12:05 PM
I don't want to encroach on mtf space but thought this may help.
This is the Transgender Talk area. All are welcome. We all have similar problems in transitioning.
I've given advice to FTMs and I've gotten advice too.
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arice

You aren't alone or a freak. I feel the same way (reverse direction) at social functions when people treat me as a woman, especially if I also have to wear something feminine. I've struggled with it my entire life and it's often kept me from either attending or enjoying functions/events.  I wore a dress to my wedding as a concession to my in laws... and I felt so awkward in it that I changed out of it in the middle of the room as soon as the pictures/dance was done. I also spent the entire event angry with my in laws...
The best we can do is know ourselves and always try to make the best decisions we can in the moment knowing that some times we will be awkward and uncomfortable. I'm a socially awkward person at the best of times and adding in social gender dysphoria just makes things worse.

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ryokohimura

Definately not alone. Today (4/18) is the deadline for filing taxes in the US. As a tax preparer, this afternoon looks to be busy. I have been waiting for this day, or should I say tomorrow, as I get stop wearing the horrid, baggy work clothes that are just...ugh... They make me feel flat-chested and I have to do a brest-check to make sure they are still there. This thursday will be three months for me and it's...well it's maybe not related. I have my whole wardrobe planned for next year and hope to be able to finally get my hair done and actually look good for work, instead of looking "good enough". Heck, I even painted my nails today to celebrate. People I work with know and have been super supportive, so I'm not too worried.

Writing this has taken twice as long as I'm typing with wet nails.
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Tessa James

I spent what felt like forever in a sort of limbo as an androgynous sort of person.  When I finally got to self acceptance as transgender I went full time the same day.  Of course I was not passable and still don't worry about that much as it is my self respect and global perspective that matter most in the long run.

Living in between can be daunting but it may also be the most authentic way forward for some of us.
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Lynne

Quote from: Orielle on April 17, 2016, 08:35:11 AM
Hi all,

...

Do these feelings and scenarios tend to correlate with everyone else's experiences of hiding their real selves or am I just a bit of a freakazoid?

All thoughts welcomed...

Orielle
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At work I have this anxiety building up most days and by the time I'm leaving at 6 o'clock I'm an emotional mess. I need to go home, let my hair down, change into something nicer and rest a while just to feel a little more normal again.

My cousin's wedding will be in June and I will not attend. I know I would go mad trying to pretend I'm a man, especially at a wedding. Also I don't feel that it would be fair to her to steal the show by turning up as a girl. Even if I would come out earlier to the whole extended family that would still be a problem I think.
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