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Started by IdontEven, April 19, 2016, 10:22:51 PM

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Dee Marshall

Only when I didn't her enough water, Marissa. It's more likely spiranolactone than estradiol causing it.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

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Rebecca

Don't know whether it would qualify as wierd but at the risk of cheapening the magic with words my entire sensory and nervous system feels like it has been totally upgraded.

Everything is "more" and oh so good I struggle for words to do it justice.
Like going from fuzzy low volume black and white to full on giant screen HD surround everything.
Apparently I was quite a sight as I tasted a strawberry and was totally overwhelmed with how good it tasted for a few moments.
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Violets

After a couple of weeks on HRT, I had an itchy scalp for a short while. My skin type has changed from oily to dry, so perhaps that had something to do with it.

The only negative effect I've had from HRT is that my fingernails have turned to crap! I've heard that progesterone can help, but my doctor will not prescribe this to me because I'm over 40, and therefore at a high risk of getting blood clots - Fair enough. I use a good quality nail hardener which helps a little, but not enough. :(


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Dee Marshall

I have that one too, Violet. My doctor (!!) prescribed acrylic nail polish and biotin. It helps.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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Violets

Quote from: Dee Marshall on April 26, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
I have that one too, Violet. My doctor (!!) prescribed acrylic nail polish and biotin. It helps.

Thanks Dee, I'll give the biotin a go. :)


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RobynD

I'm not sure that bio identical progesterone has any significantly greater risk of blood clots. I am over 40 and my doc prescribed it.

The one about being startled easier and generally more effected by stimulus is also true for me.





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Rachel

Smell, colors, vision ( went from near sighted to farsighted), desire to eat, spicy foods (continues from pre-hrt but on more foods, try broccoli and chalula sauce) have all heightened.

Some guys smell fantastic ( a very attractive attribute), most slightly off and some gross.

My doc prescribed prometrium but only after a year on hrt because he said you need a base of breast tissue to have it make a difference. I am 53.
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KayXo

Quote from: ItsMarissa on April 26, 2016, 07:00:53 AM
Well I hate to bring down the tone, but I have experienced constipation since hormones. Anyone else had to unpleasant side effect.

Spironolactone and progesterone can cause this.

Quote from: RobynD on April 26, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
I'm not sure that bio identical progesterone has any significantly greater risk of blood clots. I am over 40 and my doc prescribed it.

Indeed.

Climacteric. 2003 Dec;6(4):293-301.

"In both peripheral and cerebral vasculature,
synthetic progestins caused endothelial disruption, accumulation of
monocytes in the vessel wall, platelet activation and clot
formation, which are early events in atherosclerosis, inflammation
and thrombosis. Natural progesterone or estrogens did not show such
toxicity.
"

Contraception. 1987 Oct;36(4):373-402.
Oral micronized progesterone. Bioavailability pharmacokinetics, pharmacological and therapeutic implications--a review.


"No side effects have been reported as far as lipids profile, coagulation factors and blood pressure are concerned.

PLoS One. 2014 Jan 21;9(1):e84698.

"Results indicate that progesterone has short-term cardiovascular safety. Endothelial function, weight, bloodpressure, waist circumference, inflammation and coagulation were unchanged"

Menopause. 2010 Nov-Dec;17(6):1122-7

"recent data have shown that norpregnane derivatives but not micronized progesterone increase venous thromboembolism risk among transdermal estrogens users."

"there was no significant change in APC sensitivity among women who used transdermal estrogens combined with micronized progesterone compared with nonusers."

Climacteric. 2013 Aug;16 Suppl 1:69-78.

"it appears that transdermal
estradiol alone or combined with natural progesterone
does not increase thrombotic risk."

Journal of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association, Vol. 4, No. 4, 2000

"progesterone does not carry the risk of thromboembolism, prolactinoma, and myocardial infarction."

Rev Prat. 1993 Dec 15;43(20):2631-7.

"This favourable effect of estrogens is completed by other mechanisms which modify platelet aggregation, prostacyclin/thromboxane equilibrium, endothelin, etc., and which improve arterial wall morphology and vasoactive reactions. Some synthetic progestogens, given with oestrogens for endometrium control, may compromise these spectacular vascular benefits, but this is not the case with natural progesterone."

Maturitas. 2015 Mar 9.

"When taken with oral or transdermal estrogens, no significant association of venous thromboembolism (VTE) with concomitant micronized progesterone"

"Similar results had been previously reported for the ESTHER study in which micronized progesterone and pregnane derivatives did not increase risk for VTE"

Maturitas. 2011 Dec;70(4):354-60.

"With respect to the different pharmacological classes of progestogens, there is evidence for a deleterious effect of medroxyprogesterone acetate on VTE risk. In addition, observational studies showed that norpregnane derivatives were significantly associated with an increased VTE risk whereas micronized progesterone could be safe with respect to thrombotic risk."

Circulation. 2007 Feb 20;115(7):840-5.

"In addition, our data suggest that norpregnane derivatives may be thrombogenic, whereas micronized progesterone and pregnane derivatives appear safe with respect to thrombotic risk."

Fertil Steril. 2014 Apr;101(4):898-904.

"Prempro has been associated with numerous side effects, including heart disease, adverse changes in lipid metabolism, and thrombo-embolic processes (59). By contrast, micronized progestin (MP), bioidentical to the progesterone produced in the ovaries, has not been associated with such side effects."

J Pharm Pract. 2014 Apr 17;27(3):243-252.

"Pregnancy is associated with an increased risk of venous thromboembolism (VTE), with a reported incidence ranging from 0.49 to 2 events per 1000 deliveries"

Risk of VTE is at 0.05-0.2 %. Pregnancy is marked by VERY high levels of progesterone, up to 100-200 ng/ml.

Ann Intern Med. 2005 Nov 15;143(10):697-706.

« The relative risk (standardized incidence ratio) for venous thromboembolism among pregnant or postpartum women was 4.29 (95% CI, 3.49 to 5.22;P < 0.001), and the overall incidence of venous thromboembolism (absolute risk) was 199.7 per 100,000 woman-years. The annual incidence was 5 times higher among postpartum women than pregnant women (511.2 vs. 95.8 per 100,000), and the incidence of deep venous thrombosis was 3 times higher than that of pulmonary embolism (151.8 vs. 47.9 per 100,000). Pulmonary embolism was relatively uncommon during pregnancy versus the postpartum period (10.6 vs. 159.7 per 100,000). "

Hence, most cases of DVT and PE, already quite low, are present post-partum when progesterone levels drop, not during pregnancy when levels are high

In clinical trials and randomized controlled trials evaluating micronized progesterone, mentioned in Prometrium's product monograph , not one single case of thrombosis or altered coagulation factors is mentioned.

I take a high dose of oral progesterone. My clotting times are normal.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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ItsMarissa

Thanks KayXo

Any help or advice in getting around / dealing with the constipation would be appreciated.


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Rebecca

Constipation = bring on the prune juice

It's not sexy but it gets the job done.
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RobynD

and whenever you think you are hydrated enough, you probably still aren't. Hydrate often.


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ItsMarissa

Thanks RobynD


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.Christy

Smell has heightened definitely, which has its pros and cons. Now the cautery smell from burnt flesh in the OR smells much more stronger and it LINGERS around me for a while  :'( :'( OR no longer a choice for me to work after i graduate, I just can't deal with the smell now.
My life doesn't exist in this lifetime.


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Rebecca

Forgot to add since I started HRT I regained the ability to dream.

Now I know people would say everyone dreams you just don't remember but even though I dreamt as a small kid I gradually lost the ability along with my emotions as I got older. Happened so slow I hadn't noticed until it all reconnected. I believe in the T poisoning theory for me.

That's gotta qualify as weird or probably points more to being weird before hormones but either way it's now fixed.

Thank you hormones  :)
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