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Started by Hayley74, January 23, 2016, 09:05:56 PM

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Hayley74

Hey,
has anyone had hair transplants to create a feminine hairline and reduced brow INSTEAD OF going the FFS brow-lift etc. route?

I have a V shaped hairline, some receding. My fringe is quite long so it covers it, but it doesn't look quite right because so much thinner at the sides.

I know bangs wig is an option so please don't advise about wigs. I saw this video on you tube for transgender hairline hair transplanting so now I'm curious, something I never knew about before as an option.

So, anyone had this kind of thing done? If you did, how much did it cost? Did you get a good result? Were there things you didn't consider?

Thanks.
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Hi Hayley and welcome to Susan's. I haven't, but I'm sure others may have. I look forward to seeing you around the forums. Good luck and Hugs
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Hayley74

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Dana60

I haven't but it is something that i am looking at very seriously at the moment. There seem to be quite a few options for getting it done.


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deeiche

Lots of people have done different things.  It really depends on what you want to accomplish.  It may be your bone structure is within "typical" female norms and FFS would not benefit you, then using hair transplants to make a more female typical hairline would be appropriate.  FWIW, a fair number of cis women get hair transplants for the exact same reason.

For more input you could post pics with your hair pulled back, profile and straight on.  However you are the best judge of what you need.

FWIW, I transitioned > 30 years ago.  I dealt with slight receding hairline in corners with hair style covering up that area.  Last Oct I had FUE hair transplants to correct my hairline.  After 4 months the hair is filling in just enough where I started pulling my hair back into a ponytail, something I'd only done if I wore a baseball hat or visor.

Additional info, I did have FFS last September, but coronal incision did nothing to my hairline, hence a decision to get hair transplants in the same trip.

Quote from: Hayley74 on January 23, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Hey,
has anyone had hair transplants to create a feminine hairline and reduced brow INSTEAD OF going the FFS brow-lift etc. route?

I have a V shaped hairline, some receding. My fringe is quite long so it covers it, but it doesn't look quite right because so much thinner at the sides.

I know bangs wig is an option so please don't advise about wigs. I saw this video on you tube for transgender hairline hair transplanting so now I'm curious, something I never knew about before as an option.

So, anyone had this kind of thing done? If you did, how much did it cost? Did you get a good result? Were there things you didn't consider?

Thanks.
"It's only money, not life or death"
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Ashley3

Quote from: Hayley74 on January 23, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
has anyone had hair transplants to create a feminine hairline and reduced brow INSTEAD OF going the FFS brow-lift etc. route?
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So, anyone had this kind of thing done? If you did, how much did it cost? Did you get a good result? Were there things you didn't consider?

I have not had any transplants or forehead work/lifts performed, but I've had some of the same questions as you. I'm no expert so please temper what you hear from me.

What I understand for myself is that each person is different so the viability of a transplant-only hairline lowering depends on your starting point and overall goals. If someone wishes to pass and also has an Ousterhout Type III forehead (typical forehead protrusion) then transplants alone will typically not be enough. In such a case, doing transplants alone could end up wasting time/money depending on how the subsequent forehead work is performed (which depends on the surgeon you go to and your starting point).

And note, I'm including transplants in the notion of surgical "forehead work." That's because it is. It should be looked at as surgical forehead work that is one of many things which can be selected from the suite of feminization procedures.

The really short answer is I've learned I can't touch the upper third of my face via surgery (including transplants) in an efficient manner without knowing all that I want to do up there. This is because most all procedures up there are interdependent in various ways which can effect aesthetic outcome, surgical costs, downtime, and so forth.

Let's assume I have a Type III Ousterhout forehead starting point and lower male brows and mildly deep eye sockets. Let's also assume I'm a good candidate for a hairline feminization from an excellent transplant doctor's perspective. Let me then ask myself a variation of your general question "Can I get a feminizing hairline lowering via transplants alone, no other procedures/surgery?" while considering several possible transitional goals...


  • Am I doing it to work toward passing 100% of the time? If so, then this approach will likely not be enough.

  • Am I doing it to feminize where I'm certain I don't care for any more forehead/brow work in the foreseeable future? Likely okay.

  • Am I doing it as a typical incremental step in my transition process so that I can try a little upper facial surgery (meaning transplants here) with the idea that I'll do more if that's not enough? Hmmm, this where it gets tricky because the answer, at least for me, is that doing just transplants now, where I decide a year later to do more forehead work, could lead to wasted money, excessive downtime, or incompatible approaches which can itself lead to subsequent undesired tradeoffs.

The above is meant to be an abstract of considerations I've pondered. As someone else alluded to, each person is different. That is key.

So I think the very short answer is Yes, it can be done, but whether it's right or not for depends on whether or not I'll be fully satisfied with it alone.

If I think there's a reasonable chance I'll want more work, that I'm trying a step with transplants which will likely not be enough, I'd be wise to pause and consider things carefully before jumping in. The idea, at least for me, is I want to touch the forehead area once only if possible, perhaps twice if I get other forehead surgery followed up shortly after with transplants, not an uncommon approach (assuming one doesn't get transplants as part of the other surgery a la FACIALTEAM's coronal/transplant approach).

I think one thing to take from this is that there's a greater likelihood of a larger penalty (of some kind, financial or otherwise) if one falls short of one's goals with forehead surgery, including hairline. From what I can see, the same is not as often the case with other areas, or even many other transition steps such as hair, clothing, etc. All of the latter can be adjusted, tweaked, etc. But the forehead, while you can technically visit it surgically in a piecemeal fashion, it hardly seems a good approach unless professionals are recommending it for good reasons, or you simply know what you're doing.

I think a great way to find one's answer is by learning about oneself aesthetically, and how that knowledge is connected with long term goals. There are tools to do this. One is to have simulation photos created so you can see how your face might look with various procedures. One service which offers this is Virtual FFS http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/. I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they'll do a transplant only "what if" simulation in a set photos you can order. You can always ask. As well, that site is an excellent resource of FFS info. Check it out.

You might pick up Ousterhout's "Facial Feminization Surgery" book. Even though surgeons have different approaches, his book has some good concepts which may help to absorb other material. I found it to be helpful. Even though you're asking about transplants alone, his book touches on forehead hairline and transplants for other reasons, but it could help inform your question. Other surgeons have sites which explain things as well.

Note, you can also take your own photos and try to gauge whether a lower hairline by itself is enough for you. If you get the feeling it might but, but are not sure, then that may be enough to caution you before jumping to do that. If you think it will be workable for at least 5 years or some such, maybe the expense can be justified. Once again, as others alluded to, each person is different. I think this means the answer to your question is it depends on the person's goals.

That's my 3.5 pennies.  :)
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JS UK

I've just been quoted $15,000 to adjust my hairline to a more feminine shape. this seems a bit on the high side. Has anyone paid less? if so I'd love to hear your thoughts the results and the price paid.

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deeiche

Quote from: JS UK on January 25, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
I've just been quoted $15,000 to adjust my hairline to a more feminine shape. this seems a bit on the high side. Has anyone paid less? if so I'd love to hear your thoughts the results and the price paid.

J xx
I paid USD$3200 for FUE hair transplants last Oct while I was in Buenos Aires for FFS.
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Ashley3

Quote from: JS UK on January 25, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
I've just been quoted $15,000 to adjust my hairline to a more feminine shape. this seems a bit on the high side. Has anyone paid less?

I haven't but that seems to be on the high side when I consider my own case. I think, though, it depends largely on the patient's unique situation (i.e., how many grafts, how many donor areas, etc.) as well as the doctor's expertise/reputation/locale and how that might affect price. Sort of like FFS surgeons... rep, locale and patient's unique case can all affect price. You might try getting additional quotes for your particular case so you can compare as well as searching the web or this forum to find other examples.
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Debra

Yes I did this a couple years ago. It was way cheaper than FFS and still allowed me to feel more comfortable pulling my hair back. I had 2000 grafts done by Dr. Gabel in Portland, OR. He and his staff were amazing.

I will say it took much longer (2-3 months) than expected before I looked fairly normal and even then you wait a good 6 months-1 yr before the hair fully grows in and long enough so it's not sticking up a bunch haha.

This did help a lot for me because I wanted that rounded hair line vs the very square hairline I had before.

But it did not (obviously) help the forehead brow ridge I have that's so prominent.

So I am hopefully going in for FFS (years later) .....but the nice thing is I won't necessarily need a scalp advance because I got the transplants.

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Ashley3

Quote from: Debra on January 30, 2016, 12:07:14 PM
Yes I did this a couple years ago. It was way cheaper than FFS and still allowed me to feel more comfortable pulling my hair back. ... This did help a lot for me because I wanted that rounded hair line vs the very square hairline I had before. ... But it did not (obviously) help the forehead brow ridge I have that's so prominent.  ... So I am hopefully going in for FFS (years later) .....but the nice thing is I won't necessarily need a scalp advance because I got the transplants.

Thanks all... I was at a place on the long road thinking of forehead/bossing/chin reduction versus transplants as a next incremental step, decided to push forehead/bossing/chin reduction surgery further down the road, going for transplants in the short term.

This approach (transplants before forehead/bossing reduction) goes against the grain of traditional common FFS recommendations but the experience has me realizing it may be viable to think out of the box with this stuff... for myself, I feel considering transplants before forehead/bossing reduction may be a reasonable incremental step before forehead surgeries when considering certain surgery options such as the FT coronal forehead/bossing reduction approach.

It seems, if one is considering that FT coronal approach then the hairline will be going up somewhat, relying on transplants... for good candidates for that approach, it seems transplants a year or more prior to forehead/bossing reduction via coronal approach may be a nice incremental approach. Well, I can't say for certain yet but so far it feels like I made a nice choice.

I should add I made this choice by consulting the hair transplant and forehead/bossing surgeon. Each surgeon confirmed it was viable while specifying any limitations... given their overall support and helpful input, I was myself able to make a decision which fit my case, which I felt good about. I'm trying to convey that checking with the board certified surgeons who you like can be a useful resource... I wouldn't recommend making choices in areas like this based on prefab cookie-cutter notions... each person is different. My case is not that of someone else etc... obvious but worth clarifying.

Below is a quote from the other thread where I posted info on my hair transplants...

Quote from: Kao3 on April 27, 2016, 11:38:02 AM
I wanted to give more time before jumping to forehead/bossing reduction / chin reduction surgery so I discussed options with all of the surgeons and arrived at an okay feeling about getting hairline transplants at this time. So I got hairline transplants... I'm about 2 months post, likely need a year to see the full results but so far so good. Even though it's early, the relative darkness created by the transplants creates a better appearing hairline... there's a subtle but important difference between bangs draping over bare receding hairline versus draping over non-receded transplanted hairline. In a year I'll revisit considerations with any next steps with forehead/chin.
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