Thinking outside the conventional FFS Box

[anjaq]

I think probably that double jaw surgery is something only if the case is extreme. I feel at least for me it would be too much, seeing how invasive this is and how I am already uncomfortable just dealing with some minor jaw issues now (hyperfunction of the massetter muscle). But I have seen quite a few faces of trans women that are clearly elongated and I guess in that case it would really make a lot of sense, maybe more than having rhinoplasty or whatever else is the most common feminizing procedure picked by trans women.

[IglooAustralia]

Kk i need some help understanding how exactly does double jaw surgery work, if somebody could explain to me? :/

I thought i knew what it does but more i look into it and more sites i check = more confused i get, especially because most sites only talk about fixing an over bite but what exactly does double jaw do to feminize your face? What exact part does it improve that for example can't be done with V-line surgery or mandible contouring? Especially for somebody who doesn't have an over bite problem.

[zirconia]

Put very simply, Lefort osteotomy makes it possible to also reduce the height of the mid-part of the face—not only the chin. This can make the face smaller and more delicate than just chin, mandibular and forehead work alone. Depending on how it's done, orthodontic treatment may also be required.

[Ypsf09]

Kk i need some help understanding how exactly does double jaw surgery work, if somebody could explain to me? :/

I thought i knew what it does but more i look into it and more sites i check = more confused i get, especially because most sites only talk about fixing an over bite but what exactly does double jaw do to feminize your face? What exact part does it improve that for example can't be done with V-line surgery or mandible contouring? Especially for somebody who doesn't have an over bite problem.

Below video shows all different types of two jaw surgery:




below video shows how double jaw can be used for feminization in addition to vline/mandible contouring by creating a smaller delicate fAce overall..

[anjaq]

That two last ones - I assume those are the double jaw surgeries as the other ones were cheekbone reduction , mandible angle reduction and chin reduction - they look severe. See the yellow lines there, those are the nerves - the bone is cut completely , so the surgeon somehow has to preserve that nerve and saw around it, then figure out a way to keep the neve while removing some bone and pushing it together. I can imagine this surgery has quite a risk of nerve damage?

[Ypsf09]

Anjaq,

Yes that's correct. Double jaw surgeries are after the balloon deflating in the second video. I would think nerve damage to some extent would be inevitable.  Lot of botched people in Korea based on what I hear.

[Ypsf09]

Ah, I see that this topic has somewhat died, but it's quite interesting, so I thought I should throw in my one or two cents worth. I am already booked for FFS here in Spain (FacialTeam), where I live. I was and am quite happy with my choice but, as I learn more, the more I am definitely considering this as only round 1. It will certainly help, but, like many women here, I really feel that that one élan masculin that really makes me see a man in the mirror, albeit a very femme man, is that damn mid- and lower face length. As a quite androgynous dyke who feels uncomfortable going out femme (it's just not me) this has bothered me quite a lot—most people still see me as male! I would love to see double jaw and even maxillary impaction surgeries become more common. It may take a few years to raise the capital, but I am quite decided already.

Doctors often do not wish to do these things based on the invasiveness of a procedure, at least here in the West. I do think that this is a shame, because, for the courageous and true women among us, who know full well and long in advance the risks—it seems like it could be a beautiful thing and very much improve our quality of life. Policewomen and men, soldiers and road workers risk their lives on a daily basis. If these are considered acceptable professions, then for bloody hell's sake, I think any brave woman is capable of saying, "Yes, please saw through my maxillary bone with a circular saw!" Are we cowards or warriors?

Clearly the latter. We wouldn't have transitioned otherwise.

P.S. For those worried about traveling abroad or using surgeons abroad, I can tell you as an American expat who has had (non-trans-related) surgery here that, assuming you're in a modern country with well-trained people, medical care can even be better than in the US. Medically, the US can be quite backwards and very overpriced for what is offered. Though proper research is of course a must.

Anyway, just me not very neutral opinion XD

Omg, I don't know how I missed such an amazing response. Very refreshing to hear your thoughts. Hope you round 1 with FT goes well. I so agree with you about the mediocre approach of western surgeons(minus a few that are willing to push the envelope) towards brave warrior women that some of us are and to whom double jaw almost seems nothing. But there is hope on the other side of the world in places like Korea. Their aesthetic of what feminine face should be, combined with their bold yet Uber talented surgical skills are beyond this world. Not to mention their results even though dramatic are very natural looking.

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I am so intrigued by Korean women due to their daring attitude even more so than most trans women that they are willing to get extremely risky/highly invasive surgeries to take their facial feminity to the next level.