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Started by The Saint, May 07, 2016, 11:24:13 AM

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The Saint

Quote from: Gendermutt on May 07, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
I think when it comes to anyone who knows without a doubt they are opposite their assigned gender, that choice of do I do what I am doing, which is misery, or leave the one(s) I love, which is also misery. For those who are not considering or going through transition, I will always, ALWAYS be one who preaches compromise, and lots of it. For those who are TS and needing transition, I think sadly the right choice is to be authentic. Without being so, in time, the relationship with your partner will degrade. They will likely always feel in the back of their mind, they are the cause of any unhappiness on your part. You will never be able to fully support your partner well through all of life as yours is always being tormented through not being who you really are.

Well its kind of hard to reach a compromise when I'm the only one willing to reach across the table.
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Marienz

Hi
I would agree with all posts and further up a lady said, what seems outrageous now, may become no big deal later on.
This could be true:) give her time to get used to the idea... It does take time to get ones head around it:)
Definitely do not give up on being who you truly are:)
Best wishes:) Marie


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Heterosexual woman
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The Saint

Quote from: Marienz on May 07, 2016, 08:31:16 PM
Hi
I would agree with all posts and further up a lady said, what seems outrageous now, may become no big deal later on.
This could be true:) give her time to get used to the idea... It does take time to get ones head around it:)
Definitely do not give up on being who you truly are:)
Best wishes:) Marie


Significant other
Heterosexual woman

So without giving up on either front because I want/need to be with my SO and transition, what would the next best step be? I know she wouldn't want to go to a therapist due to some deep seeded personal issues so going as a couple would be near impossible... What's the next step?
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Marienz

Quote from: The Saint on May 07, 2016, 08:36:06 PM
So without giving up on either front because I want/need to be with my SO and transition, what would the next best step be? I know she wouldn't want to go to a therapist due to some deep seeded personal issues so going as a couple would be near impossible... What's the next step?

Hi
I'm glad to hear that you need both and I admire your strength:)
Everyone's situation is different, but I would suggestion providing her assurance that you love her and wish to stay together 200%:) talk together slowly about what you both need. I would also suggestion to take things very slowly together and let her know, that each step you take, you will discuss with her so that you can take the journey together.
I have seen some great books as well, I think Jenny boylans wife write one, it may be called she is no longer my husband. Look that up:)
This can work together, with acceptance, love, care and support of each other. I know, that inside a person doesn't change whilst transitioning.... Only the outside does... You need to take her on that journey:)
These are my suggestions:)
I look forward to following your journey:)
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Marienz

Sorry, I missed a part... For the SO it can be hard, there are thoughts of, would I need to compete with my partner in female things, would people see me now as a lesbian etc... None of these things worry me now... But they did... Maybe discuss things like that to:) :)


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Heterosexual woman
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The Saint

Quote from: Marienz on May 07, 2016, 08:59:05 PM
I have seen some great books as well, I think Jenny boylans wife write one, it may be called she is no longer my husband. Look that up:)

I can't find that book. Are you sure that is the right title?
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Emileeeee

Quote from: The Saint on May 07, 2016, 10:14:19 PM
I can't find that book. Are you sure that is the right title?

Try "She's not there"
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Jacqueline

Helen Boyd wrote

"My Husband Betty" & "She's Not the Man I Married"-Wife of a trans person.

"She's Not There" is an autobiography from the trans perspective. Jennifer Finney Boylen

Mean to read them all. Only have "She's Not the Man I Married" so far. Many other really good books out there.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Laura_7

Quote from: The Saint on May 07, 2016, 08:36:06 PM
So without giving up on either front because I want/need to be with my SO and transition, what would the next best step be? I know she wouldn't want to go to a therapist due to some deep seeded personal issues so going as a couple would be near impossible... What's the next step?

Next step could be :
looking for an experienced gender therapist to help through this, and maybe help explain.
This is not only therapy like your wife may presume its also explaining facts and geting people used to it.
So one or two talks with her presence would not be the kind of therapy she is used to.
It can be a sensitive informational talk.


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The Saint

Quote from: Laura_7 on May 08, 2016, 09:21:10 AM
Next step could be :
looking for an experienced gender therapist to help through this, and maybe help explain.
This is not only therapy like your wife may presume its also explaining facts and geting people used to it.
So one or two talks with her presence would not be the kind of therapy she is used to.
It can be a sensitive informational talk.


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Like I said before, this is something she would not do. Nor does she want me to transition.
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The Saint

I just thought about this... Since my SO introduced me to the idea of CDing at home, why would she be uncomfortable about me taking more steps towards transitioning or at the very least CDing outside of home?
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JoanneB

YMMV

CD'ing at home is safe. It is controlled. It's kept safely within the confines of your 4 walls, as long as the 'Black Out" curtains are pulled.

Even CD'ing at home as limits. Don't know if you have any. Makeup? Perfume? To Bed? Sex? Panties all the time? Hair?

Then other 'Body' changes like shaving. Especially the chest. Earrings.

It can get complicated.  Plenty of honest and open communication simplifies things a bit
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The Saint

Quote from: JoanneB on May 08, 2016, 09:21:42 PM
Even CD'ing at home as limits. Don't know if you have any. Makeup? Perfume? To Bed? Sex? Panties all the time? Hair?

I don't have makeup, I don't think I have the right facial structure for it... I have a thing of perfume but its more of a neutral like smell. Panties, yes I love them, also have matching bra's. I have short hair and can't do anything with it at the moment but I want longer hair anyways...

I don't know what you mean to bed?
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Emileeeee

You'd be surprised what makeup can do. There are lots of videos online. You just have to find the technique that works for you. You can create the illusion of a different bone structure with it. I don't know how, but I've seen videos of people doing it.
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The Saint

Quote from: Emileeeee on May 08, 2016, 10:08:05 PM
You'd be surprised what makeup can do. There are lots of videos online. You just have to find the technique that works for you. You can create the illusion of a different bone structure with it. I don't know how, but I've seen videos of people doing it.

I don't even know much about makeup, except eyeliner from when I was in highschool... I guess it wasn't really a "phase" like my family thought, lol. However, oddly enough my GF is an aesthetician so she might now... It's just asking her about it that might make her grimace at the thought of her "man" in makeup... 
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stephaniec

Well, I've never been married and haven't had a relationship in  40 years so take what I say with a shovel of salt. I think you have to be honest with yourself and to be as objective as possible and ask yourself honestly if the shoe was on the other foot what honestly would you expect.
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Laura_7

Quote from: The Saint on May 08, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
I just thought about this... Since my SO introduced me to the idea of CDing at home, why would she be uncomfortable about me taking more steps towards transitioning or at the very least CDing outside of home?

Imo this is why a therapist could help. They know different facets of this and can help explain and understand.

Women like to talk. its simply possible she is afraid of social repercussions, what her friends might say, etc.

Her objecting to almost anything else is like componding the status quo.
Imo if she could see that there is suffering from your side and that there can be other solutions and a slow movement towards a change, without making her frightened, this would be a better solution.


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SadieBlake

Quote from: The Saint on May 08, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
I just thought about this... Since my SO introduced me to the idea of CDing at home, why would she be uncomfortable about me taking more steps towards transitioning or at the very least CDing outside of home?

There could be a lot of reasons. In one sense I had it easier with my SO in that on our first date I decided to wear lingerie - a black silk thong and similar camisole. This was 18 years ago and I'd gotten far enough along that I knew I'd rather be rejected (by a quite fetching woman) than present as purely male for sex -- rather be out with her from the start than bring it up later as a change.

That she was both accepting and enthusiastic did not extend to supportive of my desire to transition a couple of years later. Her response was surprisingly negative and self centered and started a cycle of complaining that she didn't want to see her role as being my 'support system'. Mind you the idea of being actually transexual was disturbing to me, however I was pretty clear in not bringing undue drama into the relationship and from that point forward I made it clear that I was quite capable of addressing my gender without 'support'. I also decided to pass on transition for the next 16 years and her negative response on the subject was a part of that decision.

So at the end of last year when I decided it was time to pursue HRT I didn't include her in the decision and did it mostly in 'stealth', doing my injections at work while vocalizing some feelings about gender and beginning to dress more femme.

I did this because I was pretty certain the response would be some self pity and rejected and what I needed at the time was to have a clear mind to see how HRT would affect me without piling the relationship discussion onto an already complex period (some career change ongoing problems with depression etc).

When I did get to telling her I needed to start HRT -- at the 5 week mark when I knew I was thrilled with the initial response -- the conversation was every bit as strained as I'd anticipated. She went immediately into 'what about me' mode even though I was clear in saying that what I needed was to see the effect, not sure I would continue hormones to the point of irreversible effects and not at all sure about proceeding to GRS.

We've since gotten to a better place but there was a very tense week there and the first month of HRT I felt badly that I couldn't share my feelings about positive changes with my best friend. The worst part of the discussion for me was that among her first responses was 'I feel I've been accommodating your being trans' which is at odds with our daily interaction.

Here's my take on my SO's reasons for being OK with CD (me 100% of the time with her for 18 years) and transition.

Like most people, a perceived threat results in a fright: fight or flight response and in her case brings fears of worst-case scenario to the fore

She doesn't identify as lesbian, which I get and this does come to some of the core of our relationship. In sex she clearly relates to me as male, touching my shoulders by preference where I'd prefer she pay attention to my breasts.

She hasn't said this but I interpret somewhat between the lines that she doesn't want to deal with social awkwardness, something I'm not enjoying either however as I sit fairly far into the asbergers area of the autism spectrum, I'm relatively innured to that as everyday reality.

I also read that as transphobia (in both of us), dealing with the social awkwardness of being non-binary is certainly one of the things that has kept me from starting transition earlier.

In the 3 months that have followed, I've felt some distancing from her and unsurprising discomfort with my reduced sex drive (which isn't my favorite part of HRT but it's more nuanced for me and the more rounded feeling I experience in sex now are quite welcome).

There are also things that have brought us together, sharing feelings about my increased skin sensitivity, sore breasts etc; experiencing some treatment that would be unusual for cis gender females as well as some  typically female experiences of people's negativity towards feminine expression.

That's a very long response to your question, however I felt that some relationship context was possibly useful.
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The Saint

Thanks for all of the help ladies and gents! I'm still trying to figure out a way of doing what I need to need/want to do with small impacts on her. My SO isn't much for "talking things out" she very much likes to just take action. I feel like I'm still pretty stuck though.
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