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Started by link5019, May 10, 2016, 10:32:11 AM

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link5019

So my family has been a rather interesting experience since I've come out. I'm getting to a point where I'm not sure what to say or how to deal with them because it just seems to get a little better then it get's worse, then better, and then much worse. It seems like they care, but then they turn around and don't care, they understand and then understand nothing. It's just a back and forth and it's so draining. I'll put a list of how each of them has been handling it so far.

Father: He ignores it 99% of the time. He doesn't care about any of the changes and doesn't want to listen when I try to talk to him about it. He has consistently looked up all the negatives of transitioning, and focuses on that aspect of it, which in turn gives a very unsupportive view from him. In the beginning he wasn't okay with this, but said I have his emotional support, but he hasn't really shown any support, and only really care about when I'm sterile or not (which technically at this point I am because no sperm or only a few tiny drops when I do stuff like that). He refuses to call me and feminine pronoun until I look that way in his eyes, despite how anyone outside the family will tell him otherwise, or even some family members who have stood up for me he chooses to ignore. He has also gone behind my back and told family members I had not come out to yet, which in turn cause some lash back I wasn't quite ready for at the time.

Mother: She is very back and forth. Again in the beginning, she said I have her emotional support. Since then she has basically tried to have as much control over this as she could, but I haven't really let her. She again focuses on the negative aspects and only the negative. She refuses to call me any female pronouns or the name I am comfortable with because I don't look female enough in her eyes. She has stated she doesn't know what it means to look female, or why gender matters and that I will never be able to help her understand. She has stated now that she is starting to see me as who I am, she is offended by everything I am because it goes against everything she believes in. She has, at every turn tried to invalidate what I have said, and won't even listen to anything and tries to discredit any sort of evidence. She constantly brings up the past and tries to say I never showed any signs to her (which to anyone else outside the family would disagree with her),  and any evidence I provide that shows that there were signs, and she was there for them, she ignores and says I'm just making them up. Her and my father both, 3 days after I started HRT, had decided to start charging me $100 a month, and their reasoning was because I started transitioning and it's only fair. On the flip side though she has brought me a couple of female shirts, but on the down side she dangles that over my head trying to say she is fully supportive.

Siblings: My three siblings are all okay and accepting with it. My youngest sister was on board day one and has been full supportive, my other sister has been okay with it but isn't supporting, she's basically indifferent, and my brother started unsupportive, but has actively tried to call me by my preferred name and female pronouns.

Grandma Miller: My fathers step-mom...all I will say is that she told me to go to hell when she confronted me. MY father told her about me before I had a chance.

Grandma Ruth: She again is not supportive. every talk with her has basically been my fathers logic, but more vocal and trying to convince me I'm wrong. It's like the middle point between grandma miller and my father.

Aunt Kate: She has been the most supportive family member. She has 1 trans kid and 2 gay kids. She understands what I am going though, and has even stated she saw the signs as I was growing up. She is the only family member who has stated this and even went into detail about the signs she saw. She said I have the entire support of her family.

Cousin Ben: He has given me full support. All I have really heard from him so far.

And well that's about it so far with my family. It's very tiring dealing with them every week, sometimes daily, and I wish I knew how I could handle them better. I have cried at least once each week because of one of my family members who are unsupportive. All of my friends though have been incredibly supportive in my transition so far, and a lot of them when I first told them, said they weren't surprised and saw it coming. Others already knew before hand and just point blank asked me at some point when we became friends. So aside from the obvious move out option at this point, what can I do to help them have a better understanding, help my family in general, so they stop being so negative, and almost to the point some of my friends say is transphobic?






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Katiepie

I really hope that you can continue getting the support you deserve and it overshadows the negative aspect.

Your family and mine are similar. Except parents are swapped. My dad is supportive like crazy. And my mom says she is but has not attempted to do anything to change things... Like if it's not mentioned it didn't happen, it wont happen.
Like seriously my dad has gone out of his way, well not out of his way, but while at a therapy session of his own basically was worried about me and let his therapist know of the things I was going through, and had received a referral for me. I just never had enough money or the time or the insurance to go to the referral.
My brother, accepts me, but it feels as if he has a slight misconception that sometimes I just cannot be strong enough to handle what I'm going through. But he is slightly understanding in the matter, he is a very stubborn person, and has his own mindset in which I cannot replicate.

My cousin Michele, is my best supporter, along with her best friend as well as her sister. Heck my cousins best friend was the first to know in my family. And she had reassured me that they would be supportive. She would check up on me every now and again through a call or text. My cousin, super supportive and the only one in my family that actually calls me Kate, Changed my contact info in her phone, and on letters and invites they read all the time as "To Auntie Patti and Kate!"
Her sister is who I get some of my hand me down clothes, as the clothes would either been never used to only one to two times used before passing it along.
One more aunt who I have told, does support me, and well she did mention that she noticed a few signs in the past, but could never remember the actual thing that went on.

Oh and an honorable mention, as my brothers best friend, who is basically considered another brother, I hadn't told him, but his wife, but she vouched that he would be just as accepting as she was. And when she was winding down her two kids, she asked them if they remembered Uncle Chris's "brother" and then let me explain a bit and they were still their happy selves

But I still have much more family to tell, but could care less of how they found out.

Kate <3
My life motto: Wake Up and BE Awesome!

"Every minute of your life that you allow someone to dictate your emotions, is a minute of your life you are allowing them to control you." - a dear friend of mine.

Stay true to yourself no matter the consequence, for this is your life, your decision, your trust in which will shape your future. Believe in yourself, if you don't then no one will.
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LatrellHK

I feel what you are going through with family, except roles are reversed. My mom is unsupportive, makes no effort to explain why or even learn at all (just mad cause I refuse to be her daughter) and doesn't use my current name, pronouns, or anything. We're now on terms where we speak when she calls me and that's short.

My granma is slowly, and I mean SLOWLY, coming around. Hates the fact that I changed my last name, but is getting used to it. Pronouns too. She slips up frequently, but she's older and the fact that she makes an effort helps.

My father is also coming around. I had his support from day 1. He's cool, just getting used to pronouns and such. His girlfriend is getting to him, thankfully, as he said "i wont say him until you get the bottom changed" and I heard her say, in the background, "You call him a her and I'll kick your ass and dump you" so she's on my side. I like her.

My little brother is super supportive. I'm his "broster" lmao. I love that boy :D.

Most my friends are 100% okay, some are just getting used to it since we dont have the long relationship. But so far, almost all but, like, 4 people are cool.

Now my extended family are issues....

My aunt, a pastor, has disowned me. Claiming murder is more acceptable than transvestism(->-bleeped-<-ism?) (lmao I died when she said that in laughter). Various other aunts, uncles, and cousins have. Most have blatantly stated I'm going to hell, some even said I'm just sick and a pervert (really? Me? how well do they know me -_-), others are just rude and nasty. I am losing family day by day. But I don't care anymore. I used to cry. I wanted to kill myself. Then I thought something that changed my life. I want you to listen to me when I say this and that is to just f**k them.

Do not live your life pretending to be someone you're not, and in turn being uncomfortable and unhappy, to please people who clearly don't care about your happiness and wellbeing enough to accept the real you. It's not hurting anyone. You're not murdering people (please don't make me take that back). You're not doing anything but being you and being happier in doing so. If they can't take that, and your father is making an effort to look at the negative impacts, let them do it. Let them hurt themselves. They're choosing to be ignorant and you can't fix that kind of stupid (no offense). Do you and let them watch it. And if they have an issue, forget them. Nobody but you gotta wake up the next morning and look in the mirror at who you are, living your life. I know it's probably gonna be hard, but it'll get easier with time. Trust me.
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link5019

Quote from: LatrellHK on May 10, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
I feel what you are going through with family, except roles are reversed. My mom is unsupportive, makes no effort to explain why or even learn at all (just mad cause I refuse to be her daughter) and doesn't use my current name, pronouns, or anything. We're now on terms where we speak when she calls me and that's short.

My granma is slowly, and I mean SLOWLY, coming around. Hates the fact that I changed my last name, but is getting used to it. Pronouns too. She slips up frequently, but she's older and the fact that she makes an effort helps.

My father is also coming around. I had his support from day 1. He's cool, just getting used to pronouns and such. His girlfriend is getting to him, thankfully, as he said "i wont say him until you get the bottom changed" and I heard her say, in the background, "You call him a her and I'll kick your ass and dump you" so she's on my side. I like her.

My little brother is super supportive. I'm his "broster" lmao. I love that boy :D.

Most my friends are 100% okay, some are just getting used to it since we dont have the long relationship. But so far, almost all but, like, 4 people are cool.

Now my extended family are issues....

My aunt, a pastor, has disowned me. Claiming murder is more acceptable than transvestism(->-bleeped-<-ism?) (lmao I died when she said that in laughter). Various other aunts, uncles, and cousins have. Most have blatantly stated I'm going to hell, some even said I'm just sick and a pervert (really? Me? how well do they know me -_-), others are just rude and nasty. I am losing family day by day. But I don't care anymore. I used to cry. I wanted to kill myself. Then I thought something that changed my life. I want you to listen to me when I say this and that is to just f**k them.

Do not live your life pretending to be someone you're not, and in turn being uncomfortable and unhappy, to please people who clearly don't care about your happiness and wellbeing enough to accept the real you. It's not hurting anyone. You're not murdering people (please don't make me take that back). You're not doing anything but being you and being happier in doing so. If they can't take that, and your father is making an effort to look at the negative impacts, let them do it. Let them hurt themselves. They're choosing to be ignorant and you can't fix that kind of stupid (no offense). Do you and let them watch it. And if they have an issue, forget them. Nobody but you gotta wake up the next morning and look in the mirror at who you are, living your life. I know it's probably gonna be hard, but it'll get easier with time. Trust me.

My father actually told my brother not to tell, me which he did anyways, that he wouldn't call me Scarlet or a girl until I have the surgery and the legal name change. It's kind of stupid. I've stated at this point to pretty much all family that if they don't change within a year, well I would consider cutting them off. It is hard seeing them act this way, but sadly, in my current position, moving out isn't a viable option.






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link5019

Quote from: Katiepie on May 10, 2016, 05:18:03 PM
I really hope that you can continue getting the support you deserve and it overshadows the negative aspect.

Your family and mine are similar. Except parents are swapped. My dad is supportive like crazy. And my mom says she is but has not attempted to do anything to change things... Like if it's not mentioned it didn't happen, it wont happen.
Like seriously my dad has gone out of his way, well not out of his way, but while at a therapy session of his own basically was worried about me and let his therapist know of the things I was going through, and had received a referral for me. I just never had enough money or the time or the insurance to go to the referral.
My brother, accepts me, but it feels as if he has a slight misconception that sometimes I just cannot be strong enough to handle what I'm going through. But he is slightly understanding in the matter, he is a very stubborn person, and has his own mindset in which I cannot replicate.

My cousin Michele, is my best supporter, along with her best friend as well as her sister. Heck my cousins best friend was the first to know in my family. And she had reassured me that they would be supportive. She would check up on me every now and again through a call or text. My cousin, super supportive and the only one in my family that actually calls me Kate, Changed my contact info in her phone, and on letters and invites they read all the time as "To Auntie Patti and Kate!"
Her sister is who I get some of my hand me down clothes, as the clothes would either been never used to only one to two times used before passing it along.
One more aunt who I have told, does support me, and well she did mention that she noticed a few signs in the past, but could never remember the actual thing that went on.

Oh and an honorable mention, as my brothers best friend, who is basically considered another brother, I hadn't told him, but his wife, but she vouched that he would be just as accepting as she was. And when she was winding down her two kids, she asked them if they remembered Uncle Chris's "brother" and then let me explain a bit and they were still their happy selves

But I still have much more family to tell, but could care less of how they found out.

Kate <3

My mom isn't as supportive as your father, but you're right if I don't say anything they ignore it completely! It's so frustrating. I even told them I want them to ask me, whenever they feel like and I'll be open with them and then they turn around and say I'm not being open and they won't ask. They sit on their parent knows all throne and honestly, it makes dealing with them very hard. I'm glad that your family is becoming more accepting. I can only hope mine does too in the coming months.






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Katiepie

Yeah parents have a lot of the time, the thought pattern of "I know you better than you know yourself" which helps no one.
But in time they will learn. In my mind, I give them a 1:1 ratio, so another 28 years of my life, they will in turn accept me for who I am. Any time before then would be phenomenal.

I hope the time comes sooner rather than later for you

Kate <3
My life motto: Wake Up and BE Awesome!

"Every minute of your life that you allow someone to dictate your emotions, is a minute of your life you are allowing them to control you." - a dear friend of mine.

Stay true to yourself no matter the consequence, for this is your life, your decision, your trust in which will shape your future. Believe in yourself, if you don't then no one will.
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link5019

Quote from: Katiepie on May 10, 2016, 06:40:28 PM
Yeah parents have a lot of the time, the thought pattern of "I know you better than you know yourself" which helps no one.
But in time they will learn. In my mind, I give them a 1:1 ratio, so another 28 years of my life, they will in turn accept me for who I am. Any time before then would be phenomenal.

I hope the time comes sooner rather than later for you

Kate <3

You know they have actually said that it's only fair they get 19 years to process this since it took me 19 years to come out. I don't know if I quite agree with that because to me that just gives them a reason to never try and if you never try you never know, or at least that's my belief. I would probably fall over and die if them or any of my outside family started being more accepting. XD






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Katiepie

I am in no way supporting that ideology. I know it can be rough. I just put that ratio to my own standard, and so I will not get too upset at family when they try. But if they never try then yes there is time for just action.
Yes, it does eat away at me, in a way that I do not want to essentially spite them but to let them learn, and if it I takes that 1:1 ratio so be it.
The fact is I'm transitioning for me, not them, not no one. If they transition with me and grow to learn and accept and display their support would be the best thing.

Kate <3
My life motto: Wake Up and BE Awesome!

"Every minute of your life that you allow someone to dictate your emotions, is a minute of your life you are allowing them to control you." - a dear friend of mine.

Stay true to yourself no matter the consequence, for this is your life, your decision, your trust in which will shape your future. Believe in yourself, if you don't then no one will.
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Laura_7


This :

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,209112.msg1853791.html#msg1853791

and this :

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,208438.msg1847638.html#msg1847638


might help.


Someone said people may be more accepting if they can talk on a deeper level.
So if its desired and seems possible this might be something to be worked on in advance.


hugs
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link5019

Quote from: Katiepie on May 11, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
I am in no way supporting that ideology. I know it can be rough. I just put that ratio to my own standard, and so I will not get too upset at family when they try. But if they never try then yes there is time for just action.
Yes, it does eat away at me, in a way that I do not want to essentially spite them but to let them learn, and if it I takes that 1:1 ratio so be it.
The fact is I'm transitioning for me, not them, not no one. If they transition with me and grow to learn and accept and display their support would be the best thing.

Kate <3

Yeah...That's one thing they've never understood my transition is for me, it's not for them or anyone, only for me. But their logic is, well it effects the family therefore it's also for us so let us handle how you do it, and I just say no to them.






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link5019

Quote from: Laura_7 on May 11, 2016, 03:51:15 PM
This :

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,209112.msg1853791.html#msg1853791

and this :

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,208438.msg1847638.html#msg1847638


might help.


Someone said people may be more accepting if they can talk on a deeper level.
So if its desired and seems possible this might be something to be worked on in advance.


hugs

That's the problem, I have shown them evidence, scientific evidence that it is biological, but the problem is they choose to refuse it. They would look at studies that are super old that state there has been no defined biological connection to being trans, but when I show newer studies, it's like, "Oh well it doesn't align with my belief so I'm not going to believe it." Basically if it isn't something they agree with they won't listen. They won't listen to a trained professional, won't listen to how I feel and discredit it, and won't look at the research and studies I provide for them. I don't know if it's just that they are in a denial, but they won't listen to anything and actively ignore it unless I bring it up to them, and even then they are never engaged or want to learn. They sadly don't trust anyones judgement unless it's their own...






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Laura_7

Quote from: link5019 on May 11, 2016, 04:22:10 PM
That's the problem, I have shown them evidence, scientific evidence that it is biological, but the problem is they choose to refuse it. They would look at studies that are super old that state there has been no defined biological connection to being trans, but when I show newer studies, it's like, "Oh well it doesn't align with my belief so I'm not going to believe it." Basically if it isn't something they agree with they won't listen. They won't listen to a trained professional, won't listen to how I feel and discredit it, and won't look at the research and studies I provide for them. I don't know if it's just that they are in a denial, but they won't listen to anything and actively ignore it unless I bring it up to them, and even then they are never engaged or want to learn. They sadly don't trust anyones judgement unless it's their own...

Well you might say its a current brochure by a national health service.
None of them is in any position to discard it.
Its like the example with epilepsy.
People used to presume all kinds of reasons including posessions.
Its now accepted its biological and treated with medication.
Imo its a good comparison.


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link5019

Quote from: Laura_7 on May 11, 2016, 05:01:11 PM
Well you might say its a current brochure by a national health service.
None of them is in any position to discard it.
Its like the example with epilepsy.
People used to presume all kinds of reasons including posessions.
Its now accepted its biological and treated with medication.
Imo its a good comparison.


hugs

I hope that would work. They aren't the easiest to convince of anything. Part of their issue is they don't understand gender, or that's what they've said. They still think it's a choice and not something you're born with and I don't know if there is really anything I can say or do to convince them






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Laura_7

Quote from: link5019 on May 11, 2016, 05:18:03 PM
I hope that would work. They aren't the easiest to convince of anything. Part of their issue is they don't understand gender, or that's what they've said. They still think it's a choice and not something you're born with and I don't know if there is really anything I can say or do to convince them

I would point it out this way.

Its a clear comparison with outdated beliefs.


hugs
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link5019

Quote from: Laura_7 on May 11, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
I would point it out this way.

Its a clear comparison with outdated beliefs.


hugs


So then, if telling them it's a brochure doesn't work, what then? Should I just give up trying to help them understand and just hope they will come around?






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Laura_7

Quote from: link5019 on May 11, 2016, 05:37:06 PM
So then, if telling them it's a brochure doesn't work, what then? Should I just give up trying to help them understand and just hope they will come around?

I would send the brochure together with a letter stating:

-there are findings being transgender is biological, so its nobodys fault, not an upbringing or whatever

-its clearly accepted by large national health serices

-it can be compared to epilepsy where people presumed all kinds or reasons including posessions while its a biological condition, treated with medication, in your case with hormone medication.

It may take some time to sink in but it puts them into a light of the middle ages if they not at least think about it.



According to PFLAG:
those who still do not come around keeping in the loop, like sending cards from time to time.


hugs
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link5019

Quote from: Laura_7 on May 11, 2016, 06:07:38 PM
I would send the brochure together with a letter stating:

-there are findings being transgender is biological, so its nobodys fault, not an upbringing or whatever

-its clearly accepted by large national health serices

-it can be compared to epilepsy where people presumed all kinds or reasons including posessions while its a biological condition, treated with medication, in your case with hormone medication.

It may take some time to sink in but it puts them into a light of the middle ages if they not at least think about it.



According to PFLAG:
those who still do not come around keeping in the loop, like sending cards from time to time.


hugs

Well I'll definetely try that and hope it works.






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LatrellHK

Sorry about it taking a while for a reply, I've been a wee bit busy.

In my opinion, do it. Cut them off, or at least limit contact. But that's me cause I can be one cold hearted person when I truly want to be. In terms of moving out, I really can't say much except good luck. It takes time. Once you're out, I recommend slowly stopping contact. If they have an issue with that, hurt cause you won't talk to them, point out why and it's the route you're gonna keep going until they at least make an effort to get where you're coming from.

Again, this is what I would do. I know it hurts like hell. The family disowning me and hating me are all the ones who taught me to walk, talk, tie my shoes, cook, and write. Basically raised me. So it hurts but I think you'll be helping yourself in the end.

Now if you don't like my ->-bleeped-<- method, you should really try what Laura is saying. She(sorry if I'm wrong) know what's up.
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