Funding FFS

[Emtobe]

Does anyone have any advice with crowdfunding FFS?

I transitioned as a late teenager and had srs when I was 25 on the UK NHS. I always sort of planned to get FFS when I could afford it, but now I nearly 30 and still struggling to survive financially, and since I struggle to pay for food and rent FFS seems a long way off. I haven't even had hair removal as I simply don't have the money for it. But as I get older I really don't want to always feel self conscious about my face, and it is especially hard as I am gay and nearly always get read by other lesbians. Anyway, it seems the only way I will bd able to afford FFS is vua crowdfunding, so are there any good sites, does anyone have  any tips? I realise it's a long shot, but this really seems to be my last resort.

Thanks
Emma

[Jacqueline]

Emma,

Welcome to the site. I am so sorry you have had such a hard time finding funding.

Some people might be able to give you some ideas as to sites. However, one of our Terms of Service agreements prohibits anyone posting funding campaigns. So, some might be hesitant to bring it up. As long as it is just pointing you to a site you can use and a link does not end up here, it is fine to discuss.

While I am at it, I wanted to share some links with you. We try to pass them along to all newly posting members. They include welcome information and the Terms of Service that govern the site. If you have not looked them over, please take a look:

Things that you should read

Site Terms of Service & Rules to Live By	Standard Terms & Definitions	Post Ranks (including when you can upload an avatar)
Reputation rules	News posting & quoting guidelines	Photo, avatars, & signature images policy

Once again, welcome to Susan's. I hope you find a solution to your financial troubles. There is a lot of good information available to(and from) people here.

With warmth,

Joanna

[Emtobe]

Hi Joanna,
Yes I appreciate that fundraising isn't permitted on this forum, so I am really just looking for tips and advice. Sorry if i didn't make that clear!

Thanks for other details, will give them a look. I used to post here quite often about 4-5 years ago, but i think I deleted my account. Doh!

[Jacqueline]

Welcome back, then.

I don't know if you had friends then. I only became active a little over a year ago(although in some depressive stupor, I made an account 2 years before and had blocked it from my memory).  There seem to be a small group of people that stay active here after 2-3 years(many try to move on and fade into the woodwork- we lose touch). However, there are still some folks around from 5 years ago. Was that your previous user name?

Warmly,

Joanna

[mmmmm]

Unless if you have a popular youtube channel (for example) and huge following, its not very likely that you would gather any significant funding. At least not anywhere near the cost of average FFS expense.

[Emtobe]

Thanks pastry, yes that is what I had thought. Gosh I hate being poor and poverty striken :-(

@ Joanna, i think my name back thennwas emrock, though I really can't remember. I have been on and off this and other forums for the last 15 odd years, so I loose track!

[Laura_7]

Does anyone have any advice with crowdfunding FFS?

I transitioned as a late teenager and had srs when I was 25 on the UK NHS. I always sort of planned to get FFS when I could afford it, but now I nearly 30 and still struggling to survive financially, and since I struggle to pay for food and rent FFS seems a long way off. I haven't even had hair removal as I simply don't have the money for it. But as I get older I really don't want to always feel self conscious about my face, and it is especially hard as I am gay and nearly always get read by other lesbians. Anyway, it seems the only way I will bd able to afford FFS is vua crowdfunding, so are there any good sites, does anyone have  any tips? I realise it's a long shot, but this really seems to be my last resort.

Thanks
Emma

The question is ... how much FFS would you need ?

You could look up pictures of Isley Reust. She cuts her hair to exactly cover brows and forehead.
This is what many transgender people know and do.
It kind of mimicks what parts of FFS do.

For hair removal you might try home devices ... it may take some time but some people had some effects...
with Tria lasers for example ... some may be available used, I'd look for a good condition and reputable sellers then.

Are you still on HRT ?
Keeping levels well in the female range might help with well being, and some changes ...
many endos strive for values of e of 180-200 pg/ml or above ... and it is also supposed to help with bone density ...


hugs

[Jacqueline]

Emma,

I tried looking but could not find your old profile. Sometimes we can sort of connect an old account with a new one.

Welcome back anyway.

Good luck,

Joanna

[Emtobe]

HI Laura,
Yes I'm still officially on HRT, I say officially as I just this week ran out of my supply and am having a bit of a headache getting more (I recently moved from the UK to Germany, and crossing everything over is taking time). Have been on Estradot patches. I wanted to change onto pills, but my UK specialist wouldn't let me. Maybe that is something I can sort out now I am in Germany.

Will certainly look into other hair removal options. My facial hair is quite slow growing, and quite light which I know has both its pros and cons when it comes to hair removal. Will check out if anything is available online/ebay, thanks for the tip.

As to FFS itself, I have tried fringes/bangs, but my hair really isn't much good for them. Right now, while I pass 99% of the time, FFS is about feeling like myself. About not feeling self concious around other gay women, wondering if they notice anything different about me, and about feeling attractive. I have a quite prominent brow ridge, and huge forehead, my jaw is also quite broad. Though on the minor plus side, even after 10 years on HRT, my hair line is still advancing. Still I think it is far too little.

Anyway this is me:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By4WhQoJiSjHOHhLNVRnQjZnTlE/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By4WhQoJiSjHTFZkNGZXaTh6QUE/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By4WhQoJiSjHM1gydTFFNjB1a28/view?usp=drivesdk

To be honest I'm not sure why I am even entertaining the idea. It seem unlikely I could ever fund FFS :-(

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[kittenpower]

The question is ... how much FFS would you need ?

You could look up pictures of Isley Reust. She cuts her hair to exactly cover brows and forehead.
This is what many transgender people know and do.
It kind of mimicks what parts of FFS do.

For hair removal you might try home devices ... it may take some time but some people had some effects...
with Tria lasers for example ... some may be available used, I'd look for a good condition and reputable sellers then.

Are you still on HRT ?
Keeping levels well in the female range might help with well being, and some changes ...
many endos strive for values of e of 180-200 pg/ml or above ... and it is also supposed to help with bone density ...


hugs

Unfortuneately fringe does't work for everyone; if someone has a square face shape the fringe will make their lower face even more square and boxy looking. And type 3 brow surgery not only reduces the brow ridge, it also sets the forehead back, which eliminates the masculine slope that is a major masculine gender marker. And FFS surgeons can also remove bone where the bridge of the nose and the forehead meet, which reduces the notch/indentation that can be seen from the profile of people with that bony prominence.

[Laura_7]

Unfortuneately fringe does't work for everyone; if someone has a square face shape the fringe will make their lower face even more square and boxy looking. And type 3 brow surgery not only reduces the brow ridge, it also sets the forehead back, which eliminates the masculine slope that is a major masculine gender marker. And FFS surgeons can also remove bone where the bridge of the nose and the forehead meet, which reduces the notch/indentation that can be seen from the profile of people with that bony prominence.

Well of course FFS does more, there might also the possibility to change nose profile etc. ... instead of a complete forehead reconstruction.
Many surgeons offer preview pictures, and there is a service virtualffs which shows possible results of different procedures.


Imo if a head is additionally framed by curls it can also help a lot.
Having the brow and forehead completely covered and additionally the head framed by curls makes many people associate feminine.
If in doubt people then often look for boobies.
If bright colours are used for shirts it can optically make for more of a surface.
So if people see boobies or a cleavage they also are more likely to associate feminine then.


hugs

[mmmmm]

Having the brow and forehead completely covered and additionally the head framed by curls makes many people associate feminine.

Forehead shape or brow bossing are not the biggest indicator (large % of cisfemales have brow bossing to some degree). Its orbital rims that are the revealing trait (cisfemales dont have masculine shape of orbital rims) and consequently expression of the eyes. To make matter worse we are (as species) preprogrammed to focus most attention on the eyes.

[Emtobe]

Yes I think ultimately I need FFS as a fringe just doesn't work, especially as my hair very fine. Though what do you guys think from my pics? I very rarely get read as trans, and so sm lucky in that regard. However when I do get read it is generally around other LGBT people, which can be pretty upsetting.

Either way like I said, unless anyone has any bright ideas for how I might fund FFS, it really isn't an option unfortunately. It's pretty disheatening, as being poor simply holds me back time and time again. Especially frustrating as I transitioned over a decade ago when I was 18, and first came out when I was 6, now 23 years ago.

[Maria77]

I've noticed that other lgbt people are more apt to notice.   It may be just 'gaydar' which does seem to be real if you ask me.   It's also that other lgbts are far more likely to have encountered other transpeople.  So i think it's a good % harder to pass in lgbt circles.