Why is it that anyone who doesn't agree with LGBT is homophobic or transphobic?

[Brandon]

I am not trolling at all this is a very serious question. Me personally I don't give a damn what people think about me, all my friends love me and my girlfriend adores me and that's all that matters to me but one thing I notice is that here as well as on other forums presumibly anyone that disagrees with trans people or gay people is automatically considered transphobic or homophobic no offence but I disagree yeah there are people out there who hate the lgb and the   T but in my oppinion just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you, its a free country you don't have to agree with everything, that's like saying because I don't agree with my friends smoking or drinking that I hate them yes I might not like it but not liking something vs hating something are 2 completely different things I don't agree with a lot of the things my gf does for Gods sake but it damn sure don't mean I hate her ILoveThatGirlWithAllMyHeart and she knows it and Vice Versa she doesn't agree with half the stuff I do but she  damn sure doesn't hate me and SheLovesMeWithAllHerHeart and then to say that not only do they hate the lgb and the    T also fear it? I am not afraid of gay people or other trans people, or to say that they don't understand it, what's not to understand, you like the same sex or gender by all means be happy, whatever floats your boat but I am sorry I have to respectfully disagree on that and as a transguy I do personally feel that homosexuality is being pushed to hard, yes everyone deserves free will as I said above, do you, whatever makes you happy but you can't push it down everyones throats and then get mad when someone says they disagree cuz in reality most people could careless who you are sleeping with and to me its just not logical. I realize I may get a lot of poo for this post but I wanna discuss this without arguing because I have respectfully stated my oppinion.

[Draculess]

Honestly, no offense intended to you, but usually when I hear a question like that, it's being asked by a bigot. While I agree that people can be quick to say something is offensive to this or that group these days, almost everyone I've ever had to argue about trans rights with will say something akin to that, you know, "I'm not being hateful. I just disagree with you..." and then immediately say something like, "I don't care what your son identifies as, he shouldn't be in the bathroom with my daughter"

and its like, yeah, dude, you really are being hateful and ignorant. it's kind of like when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not racist, but.."

and as for homosexuality being pushed too hard? like lol idk where you live, but I know people who have been fired for being gay within the last year.

p.s. you might want to work on your spacing. kind of hard to read

EDIT:I found this article insightful, I think it's relevant here https://www.susans.org/2016/04/26/difference-controversial-discourse-hate/

[King Malachite]

I've noticed this trend too, and it's pretty disconcerting.  More often than not, I find myself of having to be careful about getting offended when someone disagrees with LBGT individuals.  Seeing so many in the LBGT doing this type of thing, it's hard NOT to fall into the "mob effect".  I agree: not everyone who agrees with the LBGT community is some homophobic/tranasphobic bigot.  There's a lot of decent people that hold those particular views.  Heck, even I hold views that would get me labeled as a backwards, sexist, misogynistic jerk that hates women, by many, LBGT or otherwise.  It comes with the territory in this generation I suppose: conforming to whatever society is conforming to right now.

Having said that, I draw the line at discrimination, and hypocrisy.  When politician tries to base discrimination law because of their personal beliefs, that makes me irritated, but even more so when that same politician is doing things themselves that wouldn't be considered "moral".  If a person is going out of their way to call out and damage the LBGT community, then they get busted for adultery, etc. then that is just wrong on so many levels.  More people should practice what they preach, especially if they put themselves on a platform.

[Brandon]

Honestly, no offense intended to you, but usually when I hear a question like that, it's being asked by a bigot. While I agree that people can be quick to say something is offensive to this or that group these days, almost everyone I've ever had to argue about trans rights with will say something akin to that, you know, "I'm not being hateful. I just disagree with you..." and then immediately say something like, "I don't care what your son identifies as, he shouldn't be in the bathroom with my daughter"

and its like, yeah, dude, you really are being hateful and ignorant. it's kind of like when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not racist, but.."

and as for homosexuality being pushed too hard? like lol idk where you live, but I know people who have been fired for being gay within the last year.

p.s. you might want to work on your spacing. kind of hard to read

EDIT:I found this article insightful, I think it's relevant here https://www.susans.org/2016/04/26/difference-controversial-discourse-hate/

None taken and I mean most people say that because someone will automatically assume you are being hateful because of it, I think a lot of people are a little to sensitive about things and as far as bathrooms go, I mean I can understand why a biological female wouldn't want someone that physically appears as a man to be in the same bathroom as them and yes I do believe bio women are using that rape excuse way to much because the same sex can rape you but I try to be understanding in my oppinion as long as you look like who you say you are use  whatever bathroom you want because its just a bathroom and as far as homosexuality being pushed, it is to me, everytime I log on to Facebook I see a lot of stuff about homosexuals and its not different than sex and drugs being pushed I mean even when I turn on the T.V there is a lot of stuff reguarding homosexuals like I said I see it it as be who you want to be with, I have gay and bi friends and if they are happy then so be it but don't force it on people because not everyone is gonna like it.

[Brandon]

I've noticed this trend too, and it's pretty disconcerting.  More often than not, I find myself of having to be careful about getting offended when someone disagrees with LBGT individuals.  Seeing so many in the LBGT doing this type of thing, it's hard NOT to fall into the "mob effect".  I agree: not everyone who agrees with the LBGT community is some homophobic/tranasphobic bigot.  There's a lot of decent people that hold those particular views.  Heck, even I hold views that would get me labeled as a backwards, sexist, misogynistic jerk that hates women, by many, LBGT or otherwise.  It comes with the territory in this generation I suppose: conforming to whatever society is conforming to right now.

Having said that, I draw the line at discrimination, and hypocrisy.  When politician tries to base discrimination law because of their personal beliefs, that makes me irritated, but even more so when that same politician is doing things themselves that wouldn't be considered "moral".  If a person is going out of their way to call out and damage the LBGT community, then they get busted for adultery, etc. then that is just wrong on so many levels.  More people should practice what they preach, especially if they put themselves on a platform.

I agree 100% with your viewpoint and I have those same views as you tbh lol and have gotten called all that.

[King Malachite]

I agree 100% with your viewpoint and I have those same views as you tbh lol and have gotten called all that.

I'm still waiting on my turn, LOL! 

[Brandon]

I'm still waiting on my turn, LOL!

Its coming don't worry lol its coming just be prepared for it, honestly when I do get called stuff like that I just ignore it now.

[King Malachite]

Its coming don't worry lol its coming just be prepared for it, honestly when I do get called stuff like that I just ignore it now.

Ha, already preparing what I'm going to say.

"I don't hate women.  My mom's a woman, and I love my mom."

[Brandon]

Ha, already preparing what I'm going to say.

"I don't hate women.  My mom's a woman, and I love my mom."

Lmfaoo😂😂 that's something I would say tbh

[King Malachite]

Works like a charm, right?   

[Brandon]

Most definately lol😂👏

[luna nyan]

The thing is people are getting thin skinned over time.

There was a time where tolerance meant allowing someone/group to do something even if you disagreed with it.

Now the term has come to imply approval as well, which in my opinion is wrong.

A simple example would be something like smoking.  I tolerate smokers.  But I don't approve of what they are doing because of what it will do to their long term health.  I may choose to tell them to quit smoking, but if they don't, it doesn't mean that I will actively go out of my way to stop them.

The way some people come across, for me to tolerate smoking would mean not only allowing them to smoke, but actively going off and buying them a carton of cigarettes, lighting one up and putting it to someone's mouth.

[Draculess]

None taken and I mean most people say that because someone will automatically assume you are being hateful because of it, I think a lot of people are a little to sensitive about things and as far as bathrooms go, I mean I can understand why a biological female wouldn't want someone that physically appears as a man to be in the same bathroom as them and yes I do believe bio women are using that rape excuse way to much because the same sex can rape you but I try to be understanding in my oppinion as long as you look like who you say you are use  whatever bathroom you want because its just a bathroom and as far as homosexuality being pushed, it is to me, everytime I log on to Facebook I see a lot of stuff about homosexuals and its not different than sex and drugs being pushed I mean even when I turn on the T.V there is a lot of stuff reguarding homosexuals like I said I see it it as be who you want to be with, I have gay and bi friends and if they are happy then so be it but don't force it on people because not everyone is gonna like it.

Well, it's one thing for someone to be uncomfortable because of a trans person's looks or to buy into like whole "this will allow male predators in" thing, but when someone is straight like "these people are men, don't let them in", that's kind of by definition a transphobic remark. I would concede that for a lot of people it probably does stem more from ignorance than hate and granted, there are degrees, certainly people saying stupid things aren't as bad as the people doing beatings and killings, but it does contribute to an overall atmosphere.

I'm still not sure what you mean about homosexuality "being pushed". I see it on tv a lot in so far as like different civil rights issues in the news, but whenever I see it portrayed in a show it's usually still kind of a cartoon that doesn't reflect real homosexuals much. And I mean if you're talking about the civil rights issues and stuff, like yeah that's a pretty hot topic right now, naturally it's going to be all over social media, but again I can't speak to homosexuality being promoted or anything really, my LGBT friends generally speak less on LGBT stuff than my straight cis friends tbh and my facebook is clogged up with all sorts of ugly stuff from people I expected better of.

also, comparing homosexuality to sex and drugs is pretty sketch, no? it's not like it's a vice or something. and I get heterosexuality shoved in my face at like every turn, so it would kind of be nice almost to see more gay stuff around. idk man, I guess I still don't know quite what you're talking about.

[Tristyn]

I am not trolling at all this is a very serious question. Me personally I don't give a damn what people think about me, all my friends love me and my girlfriend adores me and that's all that matters to me but one thing I notice is that here as well as on other forums presumibly anyone that disagrees with trans people or gay people is automatically considered transphobic or homophobic no offence but I disagree yeah there are people out there who hate the lgb and the   T but in my oppinion just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you, its a free country you don't have to agree with everything, that's like saying because I don't agree with my friends smoking or drinking that I hate them yes I might not like it but not liking something vs hating something are 2 completely different things I don't agree with a lot of the things my gf does for Gods sake but it damn sure don't mean I hate her ILoveThatGirlWithAllMyHeart and she knows it and Vice Versa she doesn't agree with half the stuff I do but she  damn sure doesn't hate me and SheLovesMeWithAllHerHeart and then to say that not only do they hate the lgb and the    T also fear it? I am not afraid of gay people or other trans people, or to say that they don't understand it, what's not to understand, you like the same sex or gender by all means be happy, whatever floats your boat but I am sorry I have to respectfully disagree on that and as a transguy I do personally feel that homosexuality is being pushed to hard, yes everyone deserves free will as I said above, do you, whatever makes you happy but you can't push it down everyones throats and then get mad when someone says they disagree cuz in reality most people could careless who you are sleeping with and to me its just not logical. I realize I may get a lot of poo for this post but I wanna discuss this without arguing because I have respectfully stated my oppinion.

No offense, but would it really be ok if I said I disagree with you for being black? >.>

No offense, but you made a very lame comparison with the smokers and drinkers. Smoking and drinking is something you do, not something you are. People become those things. Trans and gay people are like that at birth like cis and straight people. Being gay, trans or whatever identity or sexuality you are is not inherited or a learned habit like smoking and drinking. Therefore, your argument is at fault here. If you are going to make a valid argument about transgender/homosexual controversy, at least understand what those terms actually mean, please.

[Brandon]

The thing is people are getting thin skinned over time.

There was a time where tolerance meant allowing someone/group to do something even if you disagreed with it.

Now the term has come to imply approval as well, which in my opinion is wrong.

A simple example would be something like smoking.  I tolerate smokers.  But I don't approve of what they are doing because of what it will do to their long term health.  I may choose to tell them to quit smoking, but if they don't, it doesn't mean that I will actively go out of my way to stop them.

The way some people come across, for me to tolerate smoking would mean not only allowing them to smoke, but actively going off and buying them a carton of cigarettes, lighting one up and putting it to someone's mouth.

I see your point there.

[Brandon]

 

Well, it's one thing for someone to be uncomfortable because of a trans person's looks or to buy into like whole "this will allow male predators in" thing, but when someone is straight like "these people are men, don't let them in", that's kind of by definition a transphobic remark. I would concede that for a lot of people it probably does stem more from ignorance than hate and granted, there are degrees, certainly people saying stupid things aren't as bad as the people doing beatings and killings, but it does contribute to an overall atmosphere.

I'm still not sure what you mean about homosexuality "being pushed". I see it on tv a lot in so far as like different civil rights issues in the news, but whenever I see it portrayed in a show it's usually still kind of a cartoon that doesn't reflect real homosexuals much. And I mean if you're talking about the civil rights issues and stuff, like yeah that's a pretty hot topic right now, naturally it's going to be all over social media, but again I can't speak to homosexuality being promoted or anything really, my LGBT friends generally speak less on LGBT stuff than my straight cis friends tbh and my facebook is clogged up with all sorts of ugly stuff from people I expected better of.

also, comparing homosexuality to sex and drugs is pretty sketch, no? it's not like it's a vice or something. and I get heterosexuality shoved in my face at like every turn, so it would kind of be nice almost to see more gay stuff around. idk man, I guess I still don't know quite what you're talking about.

Its not for you to understand I am enligntend about certain things and as I have said yes its being pushed to hard and I have even heard other gay people say the same so if you got even gay people saying that then what does that tell you? I understand they want equal rights sure, whatever but it is being pushed just a little to hard you guys want everyone to accept you that's an example of pushing it to hard when I see rainbows everywhere that's an example of pushing it to hard and a rainbow does not even stand for the lgb and the T and yes it is all over T.V and in Music and on Social Media and you guys talk about disrespect and hate but I am pretty sure last summer it was trending all over fb of a gay Jesus which was in my oppinion was disrespectful as all hell, y'all are not so nice either, you get mad when someone disagrees with you but y'all feel the need to bash other peoples religions contridictary much? You can say what you want about religion but can't no one say nothing about gay people, oh no. Like I said its not meant for you to understand nor would I expect you to so I will leave it at that.

[RobynD]

When disagreement leads to the denial of basic human rights and other discrimination such as workplace treatment, I can see why people are sensitive. If people truly lived by the Golden Rule, there would be no reason to legislate equality or condemn hate speech, because there would be none.

Since you brought up the bathroom thing: Bathrooms have never been legal barriers to gender expression. It is a group of right-deniers that disagree with something they call the "LGBT Agenda" that created the problem out of nowhere to continue to generate hate based money in those areas of the country where they wield power. There can't be barriers because there is no standard for masculinity, femininity, attire etc. This is why the simple concept of choose the one that works for you, works and is practiced many places in the world

If disagreement generates danger, if it causes people to hurt and be hurt, then it is best kept to one's self. As many of our parents no doubt said "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all " We just want the same rights as everyone and to live our lives in our communities. That is the whole agenda. I don't really care if someone thinks i am sinning, or going against nature, or destroying the traditional family values. They can hold that opinion all the want to themselves it hurts them, not me.

[Brandon]

No offense, but would it really be ok if I said I disagree with you for being black?

No offense, but you made a very lame comparison with the smokers and drinkers. Smoking and drinking is something you do, not something you are. People become those things. Trans and gay people are like that at birth like cis and straight people. Being gay, trans or whatever identity or sexuality you are is not inherited or a learned habit like smoking and drinking. Therefore, your argument is at fault here. If you are going to make a valid argument about transgender/homosexual controversy, at least understand what those terms actually mean, please.

Nice try but I am biracial lol but thank you for bringing race into this because I knew someone would lol and shockingly its a black person himself anyways I could careless what people think about my race tbh I am a proud mixed man who is also proud of his black herritage if you don't like it then idk what to tell ya but you are more than happy to not like me because of my race go right ahead lol and that's in general, you aren't paying my bills and ya damn sure ain't stopping me from sleeping at night.The whole point is I am still disagreeing with the smoking or the drinking that's the whole point if I can disagree with my friends smoking or drinking than people should have a right to respectfully disagree with homosexuality, not everyone is going to agree with you is another point I am trying to make here so be happy and do you you don't need everyones say so do what makes you happy. Dude I am trans myself so I am aware of that but thank you tho and I think once again my arguemnt was just find is about disagreeing or agreeing.

[Eevee]

I disagree with this thread. I hope that doesn't offend you. At least my disagreement in this case won't stand in the way of basic human rights.

[Brandon]

When disagreement leads to the denial of basic human rights and other discrimination such as workplace treatment, I can see why people are sensitive. If people truly lived by the Golden Rule, there would be no reason to legislate equality or condemn hate speech, because there would be none.

Since you brought up the bathroom thing: Bathrooms have never been legal barriers to gender expression. It is a group of right-deniers that disagree with something they call the "LGBT Agenda" that created the problem out of nowhere to continue to generate hate based money in those areas of the country where they wield power. There can't be barriers because there is no standard for masculinity, femininity, attire etc. This is why the simple concept of choose the one that works for you, works and is practiced many places in the world

If disagreement generates danger, if it causes people to hurt and be hurt, then it is best kept to one's self. As many of our parents no doubt said "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all " We just want the same rights as everyone and to live our lives in our communities. That is the whole agenda. I don't really care if someone thinks i am sinning, or going against nature, or destroying the traditional family values. They can hold that opinion all the want to themselves it hurts them, not me.

I see what you are saying and I agree to a certain extint but again not everyone has to agree with you yes there are a lot of hatelful people in this world but God will deal with them in time, In my oppinion from what I have noticed a lot of people are frustrated with the lgb and   T because some of you automatically assume someone hates you that's like a regualr person on the street thinking that everyone hates them, I mean you have to get over it you were not meant to be liked by everyone because if we were then no one would be different in my oppinion and honestly look at the world we live in hate crimes are getting worse with everyone and the world is only going to continue to get worse and more cruel but forcing people to accept you is actually making hate crimes worse in my oppinion.