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Started by Emileeeee, June 04, 2016, 09:03:17 PM

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Emileeeee

When I came out to everybody about a year ago, I had overwhelming support. I had the side of my family that isn't a bunch of religious fanatics and a tentative on my father. Last month I learned my father would never accept me, but the rest of the family was okay. Today I went to a family wedding, at the very adamant request of the bride, knowing that my father would be there. I posted about that wedding here wondering what to do because I told her there would be a scene and she insisted that she's okay with it and she wanted me there.

There was alcohol there, and he's a violent alcoholic, so the plan was to just show up for the ceremony, go to the reception long enough to watch the dances, grab a bite, and leave about a half hour later. I got past the ceremony and into sort of a holding area with two open bars. After about 10 minutes he spotted me and I've never seen him so pissed off in all my life. My family had to hold him back. He was a very physically and emotionally abusive father, and today was the first time I saw him that angry. I thought he could hold it together for his niece's wedding, but it was very clear from his behavior, without any alcohol yet, that not only was I in danger being there, but he was going to cause a scene. To describe the fear I already have of him, I'd be less scared of being stuck in the middle of a shooter situation than I am of him because I know what he's capable of and seeing that reaction today, put the fear of god into me. How messed up is it that the person in this world I'm most terrified of, is my own father.

So I left, with my wife and kids upset about us leaving. During the ride home I was doing everything I could to keep my mind off of the fact that, that moment was probably the last time I'll ever see that side of my family again. He never misses a family event and that's the only time I get to see anybody. I lasted about 40 minutes on the ride home of holding back the tears, but I couldn't do it. I broke down in uncontrollable tears and for the first time since I met my wife, my step-kids saw me crying and unable to stop.

Last month when I found out he wouldn't accept me, I wondered what I was do if he were in the hospital or worse. I came to the conclusion that I would be the better person and still show up, but after today, I'm fairly certain that I would not show up. I've worked hard to keep hatred out of my heart, despite the amount that he has. I've worked to convey how much I disliked him, while saying I loved him because he's my father, avoiding that word hate. Right now I feel like hate really is the best word to describe how I feel about him. And the worst part, is out of that entire side of the family, the bride is the only one that knows how much of an ->-bleeped-<- he's been my whole life. I hoped I'd never see him again. I hadn't planned on losing the family too.
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Dana60

What a terrible situation for you and the bride, it says a lot about your father that he couldn't even respect her wedding. Hopefully you will find some way to keep some contact with that side of the family without involving your father.

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gnb984

Emileeeeeeeeee (I was tempted to put more eees again)

I think it's really awful that your father couldn't control his emotions at such an important event for someone else.  People have to go to weddings/funerals etc where there maybe is an Ex or family member they don't like all the time.  You didn't deserve to be treated that way and it definitely sounds like you were the bigger person.

Have you thought about trying to talk to some of that side of the family about your feelings on this?  Maybe asking them to spend time together without him around? You said he always attends things but people can choose to spend time with just you- that's their own choice and they shouldn't be that influenced by him. 

Im really sorry you were hurt so badly- no one deserves that.   :embarrassed: :'( :(
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jayne01

Emileeeee, I am so sorry you have been put into such a terrible situation by your own father. I hope you can find some way to keep in contact with the rest of the family.
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Dena

First, this isn't your fault so don't blame yourself for what happened. I can't see the future but I suspect what will happen is after this display, your father will not be invited to family functions in the future but you will be welcome. It sad that the truth had to be discovered at such a joyful occasion but it may be for the better that this is out in the open.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: gnb984 on June 05, 2016, 02:53:19 PM
Emileeeeeeeeee (I was tempted to put more eees again)

I think it's really awful that your father couldn't control his emotions at such an important event for someone else.  People have to go to weddings/funerals etc where there maybe is an Ex or family member they don't like all the time.  You didn't deserve to be treated that way and it definitely sounds like you were the bigger person.

Have you thought about trying to talk to some of that side of the family about your feelings on this?  Maybe asking them to spend time together without him around? You said he always attends things but people can choose to spend time with just you- that's their own choice and they shouldn't be that influenced by him. 

Im really sorry you were hurt so badly- no one deserves that.   :embarrassed: :'( :(

Quote from: jayne01 on June 05, 2016, 04:48:05 PM
Emileeeee, I am so sorry you have been put into such a terrible situation by your own father. I hope you can find some way to keep in contact with the rest of the family.

I'm going to try to figure something out with them. One of them invited me to Easter dinner at their own house instead of my grandparents, but I didn't go because we had our own here. Maybe I'll take them up on the next invite.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: Dena on June 05, 2016, 04:54:10 PM
First, this isn't your fault so don't blame yourself for what happened. I can't see the future but I suspect what will happen is after this display, your father will not be invited to family functions in the future but you will be welcome. It sad that the truth had to be discovered at such a joyful occasion but it may be for the better that this is out in the open.

I can only hope. He portrays himself as the perfect son to the family. I keep hoping they'll see what I see from him instead of always trying to convince me how much I'm hurting him by getting mad at him hurting me.
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HappyMoni

Dear Emileeeee,
   How awful for this to happen to you. You have every right to disown and/or hate him. I hope your other family members make the effort to be there for you. Could it be some fear on their part seeing what he is capable of? Still they should stand by you. I wish you the best!
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
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IdontEven

That's a truly awful experience, I'm sorry you've been through that.

If it might help you to empathize with your father and try to understand the hatred and anger, it may be coming from a place of hurt or insecurity. Either because he feels like you've replaced his child with this stranger he now sees, or because this situation threatens his own fragile sense of masculinity in some way, or some other issues I can't fathom, not knowing the man.

My point is that whatever the cause, it's not your fault. You don't deserve this. His negative feelings and actions are on HIM, not you, and in no way are you responsible for the irrational anger at an otherwise peaceful social function. Still sucks when your dad's a total dw though. We should start a club or something.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: HappyMoni on June 05, 2016, 08:06:04 PM
Dear Emileeeee,
   How awful for this to happen to you. You have every right to disown and/or hate him. I hope your other family members make the effort to be there for you. Could it be some fear on their part seeing what he is capable of? Still they should stand by you. I wish you the best!
Moni

I don't know about them, but the dynamic between me and my father could be described as the typical anorexic looking airbrushed model just trying to exist while a pro wrestler is on a rampage against them. I'm a small frame, always have been. He's big and solid from years of manual labor. He's also very pissed off and aggressive, mostly toward me, my whole life.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: IdontEven on June 05, 2016, 09:20:11 PM
That's a truly awful experience, I'm sorry you've been through that.

If it might help you to empathize with your father and try to understand the hatred and anger, it may be coming from a place of hurt or insecurity. Either because he feels like you've replaced his child with this stranger he now sees, or because this situation threatens his own fragile sense of masculinity in some way, or some other issues I can't fathom, not knowing the man.

My point is that whatever the cause, it's not your fault. You don't deserve this. His negative feelings and actions are on HIM, not you, and in no way are you responsible for the irrational anger at an otherwise peaceful social function. Still sucks when your dad's a total dw though. We should start a club or something.

It's his own insecurities. I know because he told me why he's the jerk he is a few times. His own father was very feminine and teary eyed. It embarrassed him so much he decided to be the living image of the idea of masculinity. So anything that threatens that is viewed by him as a personal attack on him and in this case, also a personal attack on his parenting abilities as a gender nazi. Basically he's just like me, hiding his true self behind a wall of his own creation. But unlike me, he has no desire to ever drop that wall.
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cheryl reeves

Your father is probably transgender and is pissed because you had the strength and fortitude to do something he is afraid to do and is using you for a whipping post.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: cheryl reeves on June 06, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
Your father is probably transgender and is pissed because you had the strength and fortitude to do something he is afraid to do and is using you for a whipping post.

I hadn't considered that, but I've had numerous therapists and friends suggest that he's probably gay. He has a severe hatred towards gay people, like needs to beat them up on sight hatred. He used to beat up his wife's brother for visiting, who's been out as gay since before I was born. After the divorce with my mother, he managed to find a woman that's more masculine than him that he's still with. I'm not saying that to be mean to any women that fit that demographic, just an observation that my mother was very feminine and his wife is very not. The slightest femininity in my behavior over the years resulted in swift judgement. Oh and when he decided to move to the beach for retirement, of all the beaches in the area, he chose the one that's known for basically being a haven to the LGBT+ community. Coincidence?

He did also always tell me about how he kept trying to get a skydiving group together and everybody kept backing out. So when I got my C license for it, I offered him a birthday jump. It started with "I'm not doing a tandem with another guy." So I found a place that let you do training for a bit longer and do an AFF with an unattached instructor and he told me that was for wusses and back in his day they didn't do it that way. So then I found a place that would let him take a full day of classes and then jump completely on his own and he got pissed off at me. I feel like maybe he was the one that backed out...
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HappyMoni

Emileeeee,
At the very least he is very insecure. You know, he doesn't deserve the right to make you miserable. I hope you don't allow him that power. I know you are worried about losing the rest of the family. Is there someone on that side that you trust to maybe write them a letter expressing that you do not want to lose them? They undoubtedly saw his reaction. Do you think they would understand why you can't be involved with him. Maybe if they know your feelings, they would make the effort to involve you in a separate setting from when he is there. Just a thought!
Sending positive thoughts your way!
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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IdontEven

Quote from: Emileeeee on June 06, 2016, 09:18:22 AM
It's his own insecurities. I know because he told me why he's the jerk he is a few times. His own father was very feminine and teary eyed. It embarrassed him so much he decided to be the living image of the idea of masculinity. So anything that threatens that is viewed by him as a personal attack on him and in this case, also a personal attack on his parenting abilities as a gender nazi. Basically he's just like me, hiding his true self behind a wall of his own creation. But unlike me, he has no desire to ever drop that wall.

Yep, breaking down that wall has been one of the scariest things I've ever done, but also the most rewarding. Some people just can't do it. I know I never would've been able to without the right support from the right person. Sucks for the ones that can't get through it, and sucks for the ones they take their misery out on.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: HappyMoni on June 06, 2016, 07:50:54 PM
Emileeeee,
At the very least he is very insecure. You know, he doesn't deserve the right to make you miserable. I hope you don't allow him that power. I know you are worried about losing the rest of the family. Is there someone on that side that you trust to maybe write them a letter expressing that you do not want to lose them? They undoubtedly saw his reaction. Do you think they would understand why you can't be involved with him. Maybe if they know your feelings, they would make the effort to involve you in a separate setting from when he is there. Just a thought!
Sending positive thoughts your way!
Moni

His mother knows this issues with this without the whole history, but with her husband being in bad health and him being the one that's primarily over there helping, I don't see it happening with her. She wouldn't believe me if I tried though. My grandparents are the ones that kept calling me to convey how much he was hurting. I guess his phone is broken. I told my grandfather flat out one of the things he said to me before I even came out and he brushed it off like it was nothing. That phrase was "Your mother messed you up." I'm not sure how I can take that to mean anything other than you're not acceptable to me and never will be. Honestly that was part of the reason I hit my breaking point where I decided to go public with being trans and stop trying to live up to some impossible standard.

My cousin (bride) also knows the full history from childhood to present. She's the only one in the family that knows. To the rest of them, he's just like their dads. Tough on their kids and a teddy bear at heart. Except I had two siblings and I was reminded all the time about how they both get "it" but I don't. To this day I have no idea what "it" is. All I know is that I never got it. I'm tired of being compared to everybody else. I have a sibling with a criminal record that my dad likes more than me. I have one that's an alcoholic that gets into fights at bars all the freakin time that's better than me in his eyes. I guess I should have expected that I would be the one that doesn't measure up. The only one that did both the Marines and the Air Force, the one that learned mechanical stuff like he wanted, the one that was an Arabic crypto-linguist, the only one that went to college, the one that got a class A CDL, the one that traveled the world. But whatever. Yeah. I'm the one that's not doing it right. F him. I hope he rots in Hell.
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cheryl reeves

Emilee I never got it either so don't feel alone. I've always walked to my own tune in life never caring what people think of me. In my town people know to keep quiet to my face,i'm fine with em whispering behind my back,i've lived in this town for 38yrs and have a reputation of being the last guy to mess with. Your dad is lashing out for your being you unlike your father who is hiding behind some misguided masochism or in plain words trying to be fonze. I've always been me and my dad excepted me being me,i never told him for he died 35yrs ago,but I think he knew and didn't care.
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