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Started by gnb984, April 25, 2016, 07:27:19 PM

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Rebecca

Hey gnb948

I'm just so heart sorry for your being rejected. Personally I would love my wife to feel as you do. Unfortunately I cannot shed any light on your partners behaviour as I can only compare to my own life which is very different.

From what I have read I would definitely say you are not a bad person and really shouldn't beat yourself up over it. To the contrary I feel it is safe to say most would love to have as understanding and loving a partner as yourself.

Truly hope things work out somehow but hope is all I can offer I'm afraid.
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gnb984

Thanks for all of the supportive responses. I don't even know where to begin. My partner gave me a short phone call and didn't even sound like them self and was so mean. I had given her time apart with the promise that we could work things out but I guess she realized she doesn't love me anymore. I don't know how someone can change that so quickly. She says that this isn't about her transition but then kept mentioning stuff about it. I know in my heart that it is So connected to all of this. How was I supposed to not have questions or emotions about everything? Now she suddenly says she isn't sure if she wants to date guys or not. These were all things she had promised me about. I'm so open and I had even told her we could explore that in the future if we were doing it together -- and she like was not into that at all so I don't know where this is coming from.
I have never been so hurt in my life and I cannot stop crying. I've done so much to help and given her so much- when she treated me like dirt I told her I want it back. Because I felt so used, and instead I got called a bad person and if I ever loved her that she could keep all of it. So I'll let her. I don't know what has happened to the person I met. My things are more important to her than me. It kills me to know she's sitting there wearing all my stuff but doesn't even want me in her life anymore. I don't know how she can do that- I wouldn't be able to live with that. She told me I was the reason that she had enough confidence to realize this about herself because I'm the only person in their life that ever let them truly be who they are. That no matter what I had her and her love and that would never change. I even told my family about us and how I wanted to stand by her side. I guess maybe it's just me that's not good enough. I feel like this is my fault. That I wasn't good enough to make her happy . I don't understand why I'm thrown by wayside. I am completely broken. I had never had someone love me the way I thought she did. We had so many plans for our future and I don't even know if our entire relationship was a lie. I am so hurt and at the same time I keep hoping that she will change her mind - I feel like I've lost the most important person in the world to me and I am so lost and hurt I don't know what to do. Thank y'all for thinking of me
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Emileeeee

Quote from: gnb984 on May 07, 2016, 09:31:32 PM
Thanks for all of the supportive responses. I don't even know where to begin. My partner gave me a short phone call and didn't even sound like them self and was so mean. I had given her time apart with the promise that we could work things out but I guess she realized she doesn't love me anymore. I don't know how someone can change that so quickly. She says that this isn't about her transition but then kept mentioning stuff about it. I know in my heart that it is So connected to all of this. How was I supposed to not have questions or emotions about everything? Now she suddenly says she isn't sure if she wants to date guys or not. These were all things she had promised me about. I'm so open and I had even told her we could explore that in the future if we were doing it together -- and she like was not into that at all so I don't know where this is coming from.
I have never been so hurt in my life and I cannot stop crying. I've done so much to help and given her so much- when she treated me like dirt I told her I want it back. Because I felt so used, and instead I got called a bad person and if I ever loved her that she could keep all of it. So I'll let her. I don't know what has happened to the person I met. My things are more important to her than me. It kills me to know she's sitting there wearing all my stuff but doesn't even want me in her life anymore. I don't know how she can do that- I wouldn't be able to live with that. She told me I was the reason that she had enough confidence to realize this about herself because I'm the only person in their life that ever let them truly be who they are. That no matter what I had her and her love and that would never change. I even told my family about us and how I wanted to stand by her side. I guess maybe it's just me that's not good enough. I feel like this is my fault. That I wasn't good enough to make her happy . I don't understand why I'm thrown by wayside. I am completely broken. I had never had someone love me the way I thought she did. We had so many plans for our future and I don't even know if our entire relationship was a lie. I am so hurt and at the same time I keep hoping that she will change her mind - I feel like I've lost the most important person in the world to me and I am so lost and hurt I don't know what to do. Thank y'all for thinking of me

I'm so sorry. I don't even know what to say. But this is not your fault. Never believe that you're not good enough.
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Rebecca

You do seem to be so amazing and deserve better than you are getting.

It is tragic that you gave her the strength to free herself and the first thing she does is reject you. That's just so unfair.

I honestly don't know what to hope for you with regards to her coming back or not.

All I can say is that I hope your luck changes and get some much deserved happiness.
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Marienz

Quote from: gnb984 on May 07, 2016, 09:31:32 PM
Thanks for all of the supportive responses. I don't even know where to begin. My partner gave me a short phone call and didn't even sound like them self and was so mean. I had given her time apart with the promise that we could work things out but I guess she realized she doesn't love me anymore. I don't know how someone can change that so quickly. She says that this isn't about her transition but then kept mentioning stuff about it. I know in my heart that it is So connected to all of this. How was I supposed to not have questions or emotions about everything? Now she suddenly says she isn't sure if she wants to date guys or not. These were all things she had promised me about. I'm so open and I had even told her we could explore that in the future if we were doing it together -- and she like was not into that at all so I don't know where this is coming from.
I have never been so hurt in my life and I cannot stop crying. I've done so much to help and given her so much- when she treated me like dirt I told her I want it back. Because I felt so used, and instead I got called a bad person and if I ever loved her that she could keep all of it. So I'll let her. I don't know what has happened to the person I met. My things are more important to her than me. It kills me to know she's sitting there wearing all my stuff but doesn't even want me in her life anymore. I don't know how she can do that- I wouldn't be able to live with that. She told me I was the reason that she had enough confidence to realize this about herself because I'm the only person in their life that ever let them truly be who they are. That no matter what I had her and her love and that would never change. I even told my family about us and how I wanted to stand by her side. I guess maybe it's just me that's not good enough. I feel like this is my fault. That I wasn't good enough to make her happy . I don't understand why I'm thrown by wayside. I am completely broken. I had never had someone love me the way I thought she did. We had so many plans for our future and I don't even know if our entire relationship was a lie. I am so hurt and at the same time I keep hoping that she will change her mind - I feel like I've lost the most important person in the world to me and I am so lost and hurt I don't know what to do. Thank y'all for thinking of me

I almost cried when I read this:(
I feel for you so deeply, I know the pain you're feeling..
This is not your fault... Somehow try to smile, you did everything that you could:) xx
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gnb984

I just can't stop feeling like this has happened for the wrong reasons- its hard for me to believe my partner didn't love me anymore, when they just were telling me how much they did, and how they couldn't even see me in person and wanted to keep our pictures.  We had broken up one other time in the past and they said they had only said that cause they were upset at me... I don't know. I have had a lot of insecurities during our relationship, but looking back this has always been there in the background.  I feel like many of the transwomen on here have expressed how before they revealed their transition it caused them so much anger and anxiety and caused them to lash out at their partners-- looking back to so many situations, I know that she was carrying this around for months, without me knowing. My insecurities and pressures on her occurred without me understanding or knowing about any of this. Maybe she has left me because she thinks I can't handle it, but all I have done is tell her how I want to be by her side. Im so worried about her, and I wake up feeling sick everyday because I feel so confused about everything that has occurred and how all the things that have been said don't match up. I just feel like this is a big mistake.  I wish she would see how much this has always been there in our relationship too and not blame everything on me.   
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Emileeeee

Quote from: gnb984 on May 08, 2016, 10:34:22 AM
I just can't stop feeling like this has happened for the wrong reasons- its hard for me to believe my partner didn't love me anymore, when they just were telling me how much they did, and how they couldn't even see me in person and wanted to keep our pictures. 

I'm not a psychologist, but that sounds like there's still love there. If I was done with someone, I would not want to keep their pictures. Maybe seeing you in person would weaken their resolve and they think they're protecting you. Maybe give it some time. It's up to you though. That lobby thing seemed a bit heartless, but it's something I probably would have tried with my current wife to make her hate me enough to go on to live a happier life without me.

My wife and I broke up for about 6 months prior to me coming out to her. She was equally as devastated by it. She was so hurt, she started deleting pictures. I removed them from my phone, but kept a backup copy of them because I still loved her and really thought she'd have a better life without me in it. I even hung the stocking she made me, for Christmas without her that year, the only decoration I put out. When we started talking again, I still wasn't on board. She kept asking how I could just stop loving someone like that I said I still loved her, but that it wasn't a good idea for us to be together, without actually telling her why. But she wasn't leaving, so I resorted to trying to make her hate me because again, it was best for her in my mind if I wasn't in her life. She still wanted to make it work. After a sleepless night, I woke up at 3am and told her.
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gnb984

Yeah, I don't know how someone went from telling me they loved me and just wanted time to deciding they don't love me anymore. I don't know though, I was so distraught and left so alone/questioning that I kept texting her and she ended up getting like a temporary no contact order on me. Even more humiliating.  The police kept asking me if i wanted to go get all my stuff and I still can't find the resolve to do it. Its like not even the person I know doing all of this to me.. I want her to have it, if that whats more important to her than me. I feel like the closest person in the world to me is now a stranger.  Maybe it has all been just me and they really just don't want me in their life.    I would like to think that it is some of what you are saying Emileee but idk. I probably should have no hope .  I just love her so much.  I wanted to stand by her side and I feel like despite my acceptance of her that she hasn't accepted me I guess.  I didn't know this was there the entire time in our relationship though, so I feel like we deserve an opportunity to move forward from this now that its all out in the open. 
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Emileeeee

I guess I'm probably wrong if the cops were called. I'm so sorry. I agree that having the opportunity to talk it out would be best, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I wish I could say I understand it, but I don't at this point.
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Marienz

Quote from: gnb984 on May 08, 2016, 12:03:54 PM
Yeah, I don't know how someone went from telling me they loved me and just wanted time to deciding they don't love me anymore. I don't know though, I was so distraught and left so alone/questioning that I kept texting her and she ended up getting like a temporary no contact order on me. Even more humiliating.  The police kept asking me if i wanted to go get all my stuff and I still can't find the resolve to do it. Its like not even the person I know doing all of this to me.. I want her to have it, if that whats more important to her than me. I feel like the closest person in the world to me is now a stranger.  Maybe it has all been just me and they really just don't want me in their life.    I would like to think that it is some of what you are saying Emileee but idk. I probably should have no hope .  I just love her so much.  I wanted to stand by her side and I feel like despite my acceptance of her that she hasn't accepted me I guess.  I didn't know this was there the entire time in our relationship though, so I feel like we deserve an opportunity to move forward from this now that its all out in the open.


I know how much this hurts.. But you appear to have done all you can.
You could possibly write ab email or post a letter to say things... But I would suggest letting things cool off right now:)
Thinking of you.
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gnb984

Yeah I can't really do anything else right now. Maybe a letter eventually, I don't know if it will really matter though.  Im just heartbroken and trying to deal with having so many questions and so many things making sense at the same time. I just wish I had been worth it like she was to me. Thanks for thinking of me
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Black Winged Roses

You are so amazing for wanting to stick by her side no matter what. I love my partner, but I highly doubt it's going to work out. We're taking it a day at a time, and I'll try, but I'm not attracted to women. I am scared and upset over the changes that will happen to my partner's body and mind. It's looking more and more like we'll end up in a platonic roommate situation, and every interaction is bittersweet because it's like I'm talking to a ghost. This is not the person I loved for all these years. I know the core is the same, but it's just so different now.

It's a tough road, and I wish I had your attitude. It really seems like a toxic situation. With a no contact order, you need to take a step back and direct all the love to yourself. I admire you and your empathy and compassion. If your (ex-)partner wants nothing to do with you now, don't count on them coming around. She may or may not. Take care of yourself, and make YOU your first priority.
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gnb984

Thanks Black Winged Roses.  Im definitely not perfect, and I guess throughout our relationship I felt a lot of insecurities/ questioned my partner a lot- I think this coming out, which pretty much went from just wanting to sometimes have fake boobs in private or wear underwear to wanting to completely change identities within 2 weeks really worsened my questioning and made me feel really lost.  At the same time, I kept trying to accept my partner.  I gave her so many things to help her and encourage her, but at the same time, it did feel bittersweet as you said. I cried a lot randomly.. I guess cause I was afraid at the same time of losing the person I love. What I wish my partner would have seen was how difficult this was for me and not used it as a time to expect me to keep trying to change things when there was so much to take in. I also think that the fact this was there our entire relationship caused a lot of my partners anxiety when I would question them about our future, because they had not shared this with me.  I guess I just wish that since I realized I wanted to be with them unconditionally, that I was worth that too. Its really complicated. My partner says this has nothing to do with them transitioning, but in reality these feelings were in their head our entire relationship, and maybe fed some of their anger and annoyance with me.  I wasn't and am far from perfect and I know my faults bothered them as well. It was just a really hurtful time to do all of this to me in combination with the coming out.  The way my partner wouldn't even face me face to face and treated me like a terrible person after giving them over a week to "think" while only telling them  how much I supported them during that time also has been heartbreaking for me. Nothing feels right about any of it, it's just hard for me to believe the person who shared so much even of all of this with me acts like they no longer love me and I am a stranger.  I also hurt feeling so used and left after the extreme effort I put into helping them and teaching/giving/sharing so much female stuff with them.  It's hard for me to imagine them using all of these things without feeling bad about what they've done to me.

I know what you mean about your fears and upsets. I still felt/feel those too. Ive never dated a woman and don't seek to date them, but in some weird way I wanted to still stay with her- or at least try with everything I am. Some of those feelings were what I was struggling with, and I think would still struggle some with because its almost like you're watching the person go away in front of your eyes, but at the same time feeling happy/loving towards them because this means so much to them.  From what Ive read on here so many other women felt the same as us, and some had really negative reactions- it's nice that your partner is willing to understand your struggles. I wish I would have had that support as well. I think its helpful to read stuff on here and there are also some interesting blogs out there of people that stayed together when the partner transitioned.

Im trying to take care of myself even though it's pretty difficult right now. I miss my partner constantly and feel so left out of her life. I feel like everything we had wanted together has been forgotten. I really appreciate the support Ive found on here.
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Hazardus01

Hi gnb984,

So sorry to hear of everything you're going through right now and offering you big squishy hugs from one SO to another. My husband has only been on female hormones for two weeks tomorrow and I am already seeing some of the effects and not liking them but also wanting to be sure before I discuss anything with him.  I am definitely not attracted to females so I don't see much of a future for us beyond platonic/friendship and co-parenting of our three teens which I would be happy with as far as he/she goes.

You are a special person for wanting to stay with your partner no matter what and from the sound of it, your partner is most of the reason why you are apart so please don't be too hard on yourself.

Love
Sandy
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gnb984

Quote from: Emileeeee on May 08, 2016, 10:14:28 PM
I guess I'm probably wrong if the cops were called. I'm so sorry. I agree that having the opportunity to talk it out would be best, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I wish I could say I understand it, but I don't at this point.

Emilee-- without getting too far into it, it's basically a temporary thing or now, it was because I text her a lot in one evening/afternoon. At that point, I also question why she didn't block my number-- the police said she wasn't super vengeful/excited about doing it, but I guess was just so stressed from the whole ordeal... I don't know. I still don't understand the sudden switch in telling me how much she loved me and I wouldn't lose  her, to treating me like a terrible person. Not being able to see me in person, wanting to keep our pictures-- I guess maybe I should give up hope though.

I feel like this has been for all the wrong reasons. I was ready to stand by her side, and I feel like she left me so violently and suddenly that it wasn't who I knew her to be at all. I can see now how my insecurities about her drawing away from me were tied to her holding this in the whole time.   I wish if and now that there was honesty that we could try to stay in each other's lives.  I guess I just wish I could get the forgiveness and understanding that I have shown given back to me.

Quote from: Hazardus01 on May 10, 2016, 02:08:11 AM
Hi gnb984,

So sorry to hear of everything you're going through right now and offering you big squishy hugs from one SO to another. My husband has only been on female hormones for two weeks tomorrow and I am already seeing some of the effects and not liking them but also wanting to be sure before I discuss anything with him.  I am definitely not attracted to females so I don't see much of a future for us beyond platonic/friendship and co-parenting of our three teens which I would be happy with as far as he/she goes.

You are a special person for wanting to stay with your partner no matter what and from the sound of it, your partner is most of the reason why you are apart so please don't be too hard on yourself.

Love
Sandy

Thanks Sandy- i go back and forth between feeling like its all my fault a lot. I constantly ask my self what I could have done differently.  I definitely  got really frantic at the end.. hence the fact that I can't contact her right now... At the same time I've realized that my issues throughout our relationship have fed off of the issues of transitioning that I think had been there all along and fueled my partners actions subconsciously.  I just can't believe that my partner left me solely because of me and not this transition, when so many drastic changes occurred lately, and this issue has been underlying without me knowing all along.  But I can't be the only one to realize these things. It also makes me feel like I wasn't good enough to make them happy. I just spend a lot of time  hurting, everything reminds me of her and I just wish we could be with each other again, or that I had at least gotten to hug her  or hold her one more time and say goodbye.

It sounds like you are going through a really confusing time as well. Is it hard also having a family during this time to explain to as well? I know there are many on here that do have children and I bet that is tough as well. I Hope things stay strong for you as well.

Thanks for all the love y'all
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HappyMoni

Dear gnb,

I think you are pretty hard on yourself. Just reading things here, I think you have nothing to be ashamed of and a lot to be proud of. As a M to F trans person who has stayed with my SO, I have had to wrestle with myself to not be extremely self centered. When you come to a point where you start living as your true self after years of denial, it is hard not to think "trans" 24/7. You are changing or thinking of changing so much. That said, if you are a good person you don't hurt the ones you love. You make a lot of effort to understand what your SO is going through also. You have patience with them. You certainly don't use them. Because it might hurt you, I would not say anything bad about the person you love(d). I found myself wondering if part of the reason they left you was that they realized they also were attracted to men. Maybe that is part of their epiphany and they couldn't admit that to you. I don't know. At any rate, a lot of trans women would love to experience the kind of acceptance that you tried to show. Sorry you hurt so much.
Moni
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gnb984

thanks happymoni- If part of it is the wanting to be with guys, I had tried to talk with her about this before, and was even kinda open to exploring that but like nothing definite, I guess I just wish she had been honest with me, or if that is the main reason not blamed everything on me :(  I still love her, I just don know if there is any hope anymore .. unless she realizes how the transition and selfishness like you are talking about has happened and knows that I still need love and respect too. I guess i always hope that once she calms down- she seems all over the map since this started- that maybe she will think bout that but like i said who knows.
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Hazardus01

QuoteI just can't believe that my partner left me solely because of me and not this transition, when so many drastic changes occurred lately, and this issue has been underlying without me knowing all along.  But I can't be the only one to realize these things. It also makes me feel like I wasn't good enough to make them happy. I just spend a lot of time  hurting, everything reminds me of her and I just wish we could be with each other again, or that I had at least gotten to hug her or hold her one more time and say goodbye.

gnb984 please don't try to take all of the responsibility for your partner's decision to leave the relationship.  Perhaps she realised she wanted something that she knew you could never give her but couldn't tell you for whatever reason.  None of us are perfect so you are definitely good enough, just not what she wanted or needed right now.  It's a shame she couldn't be entirely honest with you by the sounds of it.

QuoteIt sounds like you are going through a really confusing time as well. Is it hard also having a family during this time to explain to as well? I know there are many on here that do have children and I bet that is tough as well. I Hope things stay strong for you as well.

Yes I am going through a confusing and difficult time right now as well and not sure where I am headed with all of this other than knowing I do not want to be with my husband if he is acting as or dressing as a woman. It is hard having a family during this time as we are all going through his changes together in some ways yet I feel like we are sometimes five separate people who just live in the same house and share the same last name.  That makes me sad as I sometimes feel responsible for not picking up on my husband's behaviours before we had kids as if I had done so, we may never have had them and then none of us would be right here right now.  At least our youngest is 14 so old enough to understand bits and pieces even if going through puberty themselves has them questioning all sorts of stuff.  They all love their father and he has told them to keep calling him Dad for now as that is the title he has earned.  Thank you for your good wishes and support  :).

Love
Sandy
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