When do you think the general population will accept trans people?

[MisterQueer]

Similar to another thread "When do you think controversy over trans people will calm down?", when do you think the general population will accept trans people? And by accept, I mean see us as "real men" and "real women". Ex: a trans woman being seen as a woman who happens to have different parts than most women, and not a "man who wants to be a woman" or "a man in a dress". And for NB people, when do you think they'll see their genders (or lack thereof) as valid?

A big factor is where you live as well. For example, an oppressive, third-world country would take much longer to accept trans people than a progressive, first-world country.

I live in the United States and I give it 30 years. I think the more northern blue states will accept trans people faster than the red.   

[Sarah_Evelyn]

I think it may be a little sooner then 31 years. I say around 20. If you model it off the acceptance of the lesbian gay community. Their big push started in the 80's culminated in the 90's. It's a cultural shift and that takes education. So its the education of the younger generation. Today's elementary and middle school children will be the ones that effect the narrative for us.

[EmilyMK03]

I think it will have more to do with education than a specific timeline.

Right now, there isn't much education going on.  There's awareness, but little to no education.

It also doesn't help that "transgender" is a HUGE umbrella term that describes so many different gender identities.  How is the average cis-gender person supposed to become educated if they have to learn all the intricacies of so many different gender identities in the transgender spectrum?

With gay/lesbian people, it's quite simple to understand what they are and who they love.  With transgender people, it's so much more complicated, made even more so by the different ways people use the word "transgender" to describe different things.  It makes education more difficult, which will mean it will take even longer for general acceptance.  I'm quite depressed when I think about it really.

[arice]

I think we will tolerated and supported long before we are truly accepted.
In the part of Canada where I live, most people already want to protect us from discrimination... but that is a far cry from accepting us as "real" men and women. I would say that people where I am at least see us as human beings worthy of respect although many probably still think we are deluded.
True acceptance though will only come when most people recognize that gender identity goes beyond body... something that is hard for cis people to do.

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[Sarah_Evelyn]

Maybe I can relieve some of the depression. They are doing some education. My daughter who is 10. Asked me the other day about what I thought about the bathroom thing. She has no idea about me yet. She asked what I thought. So I said before I answer how what do you think. Her reply was great. We don't look at each others privates in the bathroom and if they real felt like a girl then that's where they belong. All I could say is wow. She lives with my very right wing ex so it came from somewhere else. So I inquired. They talked about in school along with gay and lesbian tolerance and respect for all people. This is in conservative virginia. So it's out there.

[sigsi]

Maybe I can relieve some of the depression. They are doing some education. My daughter who is 10. Asked me the other day about what I thought about the bathroom thing. She has no idea about me yet. She asked what I thought. So I said before I answer how what do you think. Her reply was great. We don't look at each others privates in the bathroom and if they real felt like a girl then that's where they belong. All I could say is wow. She lives with my very right wing ex so it came from somewhere else. So I inquired. They talked about in school along with gay and lesbian tolerance and respect for all people. This is in conservative virginia. So it's out there.

Wow, thanks for sharing.
I'm in the "Amish Area" of PA, so I can only hope the school systems will eventually educate my brother (8 years old). I'm not out to my right wing family/still live at home. He is pretty naive about stuff but seems open about accepting people (my parents aren't). I'm glad to hear there is slight progression.
And good for asking her what she thinks, I think it is quite interesting to hear how kid minds work.

[AnxietyDisord3r]

A big factor is where you live as well. For example, an oppressive, third-world country would take much longer to accept trans people than a progressive, first-world country.

Please don't talk this way. Sure, an oppressive, authoritarian country is not going to be a nice place to be. But just because a country isn't developed economically doesn't mean they don't have cultural traditions accepting trans people. Actually, it's the West that, at the least since the beginning of the Modern period (15-16 centuries) has been unable to conceptualize anything outside of the gender binary and in denial that anyone is born stuck in between. It's been a long, hard road since the late 19th century to convince anyone, including doctors, otherwise. But just because that's our Western culture doesn't mean that's a universal. In fact, it's been work by anthropologists in non-Western cultures that's been brought into our discourse about how we treat gender non variant people because there IS another way than repeatedly forcing square pegs into round holes with a mallet.

That said, you might not like living under some of those cultures because they often treat all gay and trans people as a third sex (or fourth or fifth) and many such people want to be treated as just a normal man or woman. But there is some evidence that trans people in such cultures suffer less distress than we do because their trans condition is treated as being pretty normal and not surprising, weird, freaky, made up, or a sign of mental illness.

[AnxietyDisord3r]

I just found out from my aunt that she told my dad about my surgery. I've been estranged from my parents since I came out as trans (there are multiple reasons, but that was a big one). My aunt said my dad knew all about my younger cousin transitioning male-to-female so that probably helped. She said he wasn't angry and actually talked about when I was a very small child and my mother would call me a girly-girl and I would say, No. I am a boy girl. So he's trying to understand.

Education takes time. I think younger kids now understand trans way better than older generations. We'll see changes as Millennials come of age. When us GenXers are the fossils, you'll really see a change in attitude.

[Angieisalone]

Most likely never.
Most trans people who don't pass are never accepted.

[Eleonore]

Most likely never.
Most trans people who don't pass are never accepted.

I still have some hope, that it will change one day... but I think, we will need a lot of years till it happen - and I do not belive that its possible with every culutre...

[jessicadee]

When will society at large accept trans men and woman? This is an interesting questions that I believe will reveal a lot about each one of us individually. For myself, I though trans men and woman were fairly accepted up until that terrorist attack in Orlando. For me, I though we were all standing on the loving and belonging level of maslow's hierarchy of needs reaching for that next step towards self actualization. But now I don't know.  Although I want safety, I really want freedom.

[RobynD]

When will society at large accept trans men and woman? This is an interesting questions that I believe will reveal a lot about each one of us individually. For myself, I though trans men and woman were fairly accepted up until that terrorist attack in Orlando. For me, I though we were all standing on the loving and belonging level of maslow's hierarchy of needs reaching for that next step towards self actualization. But now I don't know.  Although I want safety, I really want freedom.

I don't see a terrorist attack as any indicator of society at large. There surely are elements of society that are radical and full of evil, they come from all over, but society in general continues to be educated, entertained and made aware of their fellow trans citizens. Keep the faith and look at all the indicators of acceptance now.

[DawnOday]

Similar to another thread "When do you think controversy over trans people will calm down?", when do you think the general population will accept trans people? And by accept, I mean see us as "real men" and "real women". Ex: a trans woman being seen as a woman who happens to have different parts than most women, and not a "man who wants to be a woman" or "a man in a dress". And for NB people, when do you think they'll see their genders (or lack thereof) as valid?

A big factor is where you live as well. For example, an oppressive, third-world country would take much longer to accept trans people than a progressive, first-world country.

I live in the United States and I give it 30 years. I think the more northern blue states will accept trans people faster than the red.

Has hell frozen over yet? That's when. But considering where we've come from and where we want to go, once those Patriot, God Loving, Ice Cream social, religious obstacles are out of the way. Isn't it disheartening to think the very folk whose choice is to follow God, and should be teaching love and understanding can do nothing but hate.

[veritatemfurto]

like I said in the previous thread, we are close but not there yet, if the repetition of timelines dictates how things are panning out. Where we are right now, is in that uneasy period similar to the 50s Civil Rights Movement- that period between segregation and integration.  The next couple months with changes in leadership are going to be the deciding factor on how fast or slow things progress.

[ChasingAlice]

I believe that more people are tolerant than people believe. People don't want it flaunted; just act naturalally.

[2cherry]

This is a bit of a conundrum...

This is a terrible difficult question and I think there is no answer to it that satisfies everyone. And when there is no satisfactory answer to something I am hesitant to reply because the question might be invalid. Your question suggest either a positive or negative answer, and because of this I cannot answer that because I cannot speak for everyone. It is like asking: will everyone one day love the color pink? that question is problematic and could better be rephrased differently, or not asked at all.

I do want to attempt to give my answer though, so here it goes for me:

I think the general population will never accept T's uniformly as a whole at any given moment. They might tolerate us, which means they let us in their hierarchy or caste when they understand that we are not a threat to them. They might figure out how to exploit us financially, and therefore seemingly accept us. But complete acceptance seems a Utopia. If you want to know why, then you have to dig deep down into biology, sociology and a miscellaneous mess of psychology.

But for me, I don't want to be accepted. Because acceptance is actually a way of subordinating us into a caste we're already in, but on THEIR terms.

[bunnymom]

I just want to scream about the whole thing.
Why are we dividing the human race by skin color and what they have in their pants/panties?
Arrrrggghh!
What does "hidden plumbing" have to do with anything, unless it's something you prefer "in bed"
If you're not actually looking to have sex, it should be totally irrelevant!
(This coming from AFAB that chooses to be known as cis/hetero, but I do NOT conform to either gender "standards")

[Roses and Songs]

   Before we ask societies or individuals to accept us, we must first learn to do it ourselves and we're definitely not there yet but I saw somewhere that today, we are about where homosexuality was 25 years ago. Could be but I think we're probably more easily identifiable, visualy, so it may take a bit longer. There's also the power of the religious right that has increased dramaticaly for the last 25 years. It took them 500 years to recognize that it was the earth that was turning around the sun and that Galileo was right so that scares me a bit, if you've never seen the commentary section of a trans related video on youtube it is scary sometimes, very scary so there's definitely a lot of work to do there but we'll see, hope is still aloud, but not in girls restrooms!
                                                                                     Love and happiness, Rose.

[Roses and Songs]

I just want to scream about the whole thing.
Why are we dividing the human race by skin color and what they have in their pants/panties?
Arrrrggghh!
What does "hidden plumbing" have to do with anything, unless it's something you prefer "in bed"
If you're not actually looking to have sex, it should be totally irrelevant!
(This coming from AFAB that chooses to be known as cis/hetero, but I do NOT conform to either gender "standards")

Hello Bunnymom dear, I hope this answer your questions. It is a comment about us I took from a youtube 'conversation' I had with the guy about a week ago. Sit down, get ready and remain calm, this is for real, word for word. By the way, I won...

I have zero empathy for sick perverts who think their mental  illness  gives them the right to ignore other people's rights. you are male sick freak. you can neve  be female it is medically  impossible  to change your gender so Yea it is our business  what you have between your legs because you are pretending to be female and yes you are breaking the law you sick f_ck. restroom and locker rooms are divided based on your gender...not the gender you pretend to be. thankfully  most of you filth kind yourselves but we will deal with the rude, survivors  who think they can dictate to the majority  what is going to happen?

                                                        Lovely don't you think? Cheers, Rose.

[veritatemfurto]

pretty sure Buttercup would say "Oh yea? Come at me, yo!"


its people like that who cause a need for the Pink Panthers Party.