VFS at Yeson Voice Center at the 8th of July 2016

[DanielleBasel]

Hi all together

This is like promised in Brenda's thread about Dr. Remacle my first post for my upcomming voice feminisation surgery (VFS) with Dr. Kim at the Yeson Voice Center in Seoul... 

My my consultation with Dr. Kim will be at the 7th July and the surgery will be one day later.

Flights are booked, and I also found a nice BnB accommodation in Seoul for a good price. My lovely wife (yes, I'm official female and we're still marriged and we love each other like nothing else) will be with me. She was also with mith my during my GRS with Dr. Suporn last November 2015.

Please let me know what you're interested in and I'll post these informations here as well.

Here I want to thank especialy Brenda for her thread with her VFS wirh Prof. Remacle. This thread helped me to decide to undergo the VFS with the wendler glottoplasty technique! Thanks Brenda... 

Take care all, Danielle

[bmiranda]

Hi all together

This is like promised in Brenda's thread about Dr. Remacle my first post for my upcomming voice feminisation surgery (VFS) with Dr. Kim at the Yeson Voice Center in Seoul... 

My my consultation with Dr. Kim will be at the 5th July and the surgery will be one day later.

Flights are booked, and I also found a nice BnB accommodation in Seoul for a good price. My lovely wife (yes, I'm official female and we're still marriged and we love each other like nothing else) will be with me. She was also with mith my during my GRS with Dr. Suporn last November 2015.

Please let me know what you're interested in and I'll post these informations here as well.

Here I want to thank especialy Brenda for her thread with her VFS wirh Prof. Remacle. This thread helped me to decide to undergo the VFS with the wendler glottoplasty technique! Thanks Brenda... 

Take care all, Danielle

Congratualtions on your booking your surgery with Dr Kim sweetie!!!

July will be memorable this year for you and me because :

5th of July will be your consultation with Dr Kim
6th of July will be your surgery
8th of July will be my first Speech Therapy session after my surgery
and 12th of July will be my birthday

I am so happy for you and you owe me a drink or two BIG TIME! (I like it nice cold Champagne please)

I am your very first reply on this VFS Yeson thread and can't wait to hear your Voice Feminisation Surgery journey and you owe me that too!

This is such a good news and you must be feeling excited and nervous and believe me I know that feeling

Please keep us posted and updated sweetie!
Brenda

[bmiranda]

Danielle,

I hope I didn't offend you or anything with my last post me saying that "you owe me" and if I did, I do apologise.

You owe me nothing sweetie. I am just so glad for you and it's just my sense of humour.

I am just a bubbly happy person...

Take care,
Brenda

[DanielleBasel]

Danielle,

I hope I didn't offend you or anything with my last post me saying that "you owe me" and if I did, I do apologise.

You owe me nothing sweetie. I am just so glad for you and it's just my sense of humour.

I am just a bubbly happy person...

Take care,
Brenda

Dear Brenda

Thank you very much for your great welcome messages in my new Yeson thread!!! 

No no no... Don't worry at all! I absolutely love your sense of humor and I don't feel offended at all! And when we meet us somewhere sometime (only god knows) I would love to invite you to have some nice cold Champagne to cheer together...

And btw I love you like you are 

Take care my dear
Danielle

[Denjin]

Good luck, Danielle.  Hope you have a great time in Korea.   I enjoyed my trip there, and the surgery, of course!

[DanielleBasel]

Good luck, Danielle.  Hope you have a great time in Korea.   I enjoyed my trip there, and the surgery, of course!

Dear Denjin

Thank you very much for your wishes...  I'll keep you all informed as soon as possible. Also my impressions and howto's for being in Seoul.

I'm totally nervous at all, but now I want to go trough 

Take care
Danielle

[DanielleBasel]

Hi all together

First a small self introduction...

Why do I decided to make a VFS? Well... I had speech therapy for the last few months and I learned a lot and the pitch is quite high as well. But to reach that "female" voice it needs a lot of effort and I don't have additional resources to play with my voice melody nor with a good resonance.

And so I have built a very nice Glossophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossophobia with this "female" voice, which has ended in the situation, that I try to communicate as often as possible with gesture instead of speaking...

Also on the phone I got still misgendered all the times.

Well after it was getting terrible worse I have decided to inform myself about the possibilities of a voice feminization surgery. And after a lot of research I have decided to undergo a surgery called "wendler glottoplasty". At the end there where two surgeons, which I preferred. One one side Prof. Dr. Remacle in Luxembourg and on the other side Dr. Kim from the Yeson Voice Center in Seoul. I decided for Dr. Kim, because I heard a lot of rescheduling surgeries with Prof. Dr. Remacle... But both surgeons seemed to be very excellent for my goals. 

And here are like promised my first preOp Voice files with "normal" voice and a second one with my daily speech voice

Here's my "normal" voice without effort...

https://soundcloud.com/danielle-basel/20160414-danielle-rainbow-passage-male-01




... and here's my daily female voice 

https://soundcloud.com/danielle-basel/20160424-pro-vfs-danielle



Well... Please don't laugh to loud about both voice examples... or my english

Cheers to all... 
Danielle

[DanielleBasel]

Congratualtions on your booking your surgery with Dr Kim sweetie!!!

July will be memorable this year for you and me because :

5th of July will be your consultation with Dr Kim
6th of July will be your surgery
8th of July will be my first Speech Therapy session after my surgery
and 12th of July will be my birthday

I am so happy for you and you owe me a drink or two BIG TIME! (I like it nice cold Champagne please)

I am your very first reply on this VFS Yeson thread and can't wait to hear your Voice Feminisation Surgery journey and you owe me that too!

This is such a good news and you must be feeling excited and nervous and believe me I know that feeling

Please keep us posted and updated sweetie!
Brenda

Dear Brenda

Sorry...  I mixed up some dates with flight and surgery... But the July WILL be memorable this year for you and me

7th of July I will have my consultation with Dr Kim
8th of July will be your first Speech Therapy session your my surgery
8th of July will be my surgery with Dr. Kim

and 12th of July will be your birthday *tadaaaaa*

Sorry for mixing up the dates...

Take care 
Danielle

[bmiranda]

Dear Brenda

Thank you very much for your great welcome messages in my new Yeson thread!!! 

No no no... Don't worry at all! I absolutely love your sense of humor and I don't feel offended at all! And when we meet us somewhere sometime (only god knows) I would love to invite you to have some nice cold Champagne to cheer together...

And btw I love you like you like you are 

Take care my dear
Danielle

Sorry for this late reply Danielle.
Just got home from work and cooking dinner.
I'm gonna make this quick so my husband won't yell at me because I spend so much time here
I feel so relieved now that I didn't say something bad to upset you...
Yes! We will do the "cheers" thing if time allows us to do so!

While, I am typing I've just seen that you got mixed up with your surgery date and no problemo!
I will be thinking of you, crossing my fingers and breaking my legs for you on that date!!!

Everything will be alright hun and I like the way you sound too!!! 

Take care,
Brenda

[bmiranda]

Hi all together

First a small self introduction...

Why do I decided to make a VFS? Well... I had speech therapy for the last few months and I learned a lot and the pitch is quite high as well. But to reach that "female" voice it needs a lot of effort and I don't have additional resources to play with my voice melody nor with a good resonance.

And so I have built a very nice Glossophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossophobia with this "female" voice, which has ended in the situation, that I try to communicate as often as possible with gesture instead of speaking...

Also on the phone I got still misgendered all the times.

Well after it was getting terrible worse I have decided to inform myself about the possibilities of a voice feminization surgery. And after a lot of research I have decided to undergo a surgery called "wendler glottoplasty". At the end there where two surgeons, which I preferred. One one side Prof. Dr. Remacle in Luxembourg and on the other side Dr. Kim from the Yeson Voice Center in Seoul. I decided for Dr. Kim, because I heard a lot of rescheduling surgeries with Prof. Dr. Remacle... But both surgeons seemed to be very excellent for my goals. 

And here are like promised my first preOp Voice files with "normal" voice and a second one with my daily speech voice

Here's my "normal" voice without effort...

https://soundcloud.com/danielle-basel/20160414-danielle-rainbow-passage-male-01




... and here's my daily female voice 

https://soundcloud.com/danielle-basel/20160424-pro-vfs-danielle



Well... Please don't laugh to loud about both voice examples... or my english

Cheers to all... 
Danielle

Those two recordings are like two different people!
Wow! You really have a nice trained voice Danielle!

You will only end up with a naturally sounding feminine voice after VFS!!!

Thank you soo much for sharing those personal things here with us which takes a lot of guts IMO!
Yes! OUT and PROUD indeed!

Brenda

[DanielleBasel]

Those two recordings are like two different people!
Wow! You really have a nice trained voice Danielle!

You will only end up with a naturally sounding feminine voice after VFS!!!

Thank you soo much for sharing those personal things here with us which takes a lot of guts IMO!
Yes! OUT and PROUD indeed!

Brenda

Dear Brenda

Thank you very much for your brave words!

But to be honest... I don't like both of my voices... 

You seems to be a very great human brenda! Take care of you
Danielle

[DanielleBasel]

Hi to all

One shy question to everyone which had a wendler glottoplasty. Does someone makes sport? And how's about breathing trough nose and mouth after the surgery? I ask, because I love doing sport...  Hmm Yes... Not only the explicit one 


Thanks to all

[bmiranda]

Dear Brenda

Thank you very much for your brave words!

But to be honest... I don't like both of my voices... 

You seems to be a very great human brenda! Take care of you
Danielle

Thank you!

Hi to all

One shy question to everyone which had a wendler glottoplasty. Does someone makes sport? And how's about breathing trough nose and mouth after the surgery? I ask, because I love doing sport...  Hmm Yes... Not only the explicit one 


Thanks to all

Well, I am not really into sport and cannot answer you but that's a good question you need to ask Dr Kim...

[anjaq]

Listening to the voice samples, I think yes, you can benefit from a VFS. Mainly because your feminized voice sounds to me controlled and "dampened down", like you are deliberately softening itto make it sound feminine. With VFS you can have more "twang" to the voice and sound sharper and louder again, if it works well. It will take a while though.

Regarding sports, I just know of 2 people who reported on this, one is Jenny who was doing running and she said its not an issue, the other did martial arts and said it was no issue, however some of the singers have reported that pulling in air while singing is a bit harder and takes a fraction longer, so when singing professionally, this could for some be an issue. However I think the opening of the vocal folds is not different pst OP from many female throats and so the only issue might be to get adapted to some different feeling, but you will not pass out when doing sports because of that

[bmiranda]

Listening to the voice samples, I think yes, you can benefit from a VFS. Mainly because your feminized voice sounds to me controlled and "dampened down", like you are deliberately softening itto make it sound feminine. With VFS you can have more "twang" to the voice and sound sharper and louder again, if it works well. It will take a while though.

I second the motion and you have to be super patient because this surgery takes a very long recovery...

[Denjin]

I've not had a chance to listen to your examples - long day so I'll have to do it tomorrow after work.  I did see 260Hz, which seems a bit high, unless you're tiny or Asian, though. 

I have had no reduction in my breathing ability.  Not super sporty, but average 8 miles per day.

[anjaq]

260 Hz is rather high indeed. Pre-OP it definitely is too high, post OP it depends on how the surgery turned out. One risk at aiming at such a high pitch is probably a bigger loss in volume and voice power compared to lets say 200 Hz. Especially if you elevate your relaxed pitch to reach that high pitch, meaning there is a restriction and tension that causes the voice to be that high, and this also causes a loss in volume and flexibility. I would always try to stay as close to the relaxed pitch as possible without being misgendered

[DanielleBasel]

Hi together

Thank you very much for your Feedback related to Sport. This sounds quite good. I also have searched in the Yeson Information I got, that Sport is allowes after 4-6 weeks because of higher blood preassure becasue of sport like jogging and swimming, which could cuase bleeding in early stages post op... This means, that sport will be fine after that time. And they don't mention any further comment about special problems after surgery... At least not a bad sign, but this I'll as Jessie (vers nice and competent Patient Administration and good soul at Yeson) by mail. I'll posr her answer as soon as they are back at the 24th of June...

[DanielleBasel]

Listening to the voice samples, I think yes, you can benefit from a VFS. Mainly because your feminized voice sounds to me controlled and "dampened down", like you are deliberately softening itto make it sound feminine. With VFS you can have more "twang" to the voice and sound sharper and louder again, if it works well. It will take a while though.

Regarding sports, I just know of 2 people who reported on this, one is Jenny who was doing running and she said its not an issue, the other did martial arts and said it was no issue, however some of the singers have reported that pulling in air while singing is a bit harder and takes a fraction longer, so when singing professionally, this could for some be an issue. However I think the opening of the vocal folds is not different pst OP from many female throats and so the only issue might be to get adapted to some different feeling, but you will not pass out when doing sports because of that

I second the motion and you have to be super patient because this surgery takes a very long recovery...

A huge thanks to both of you for your encouraging words... I really hope, thT the outcome will be like I hope... And Inkknow, that the pitch is only a third of the female voice. And that there will be a lot of work and patience... But this is something Inhave in my hands.

Take care ... 
Danielle

[DanielleBasel]

I've not had a chance to listen to your examples - long day so I'll have to do it tomorrow after work.  I did see 260Hz, which seems a bit high, unless you're tiny or Asian, though. 

I have had no reduction in my breathing ability.  Not super sporty, but average 8 miles per day.

Dear Denjin

Thank you for your Feedback. Well unfortunately I'm not so tiny and I guess I have no asian roots, but I love Thailand since my two months I stayed there because of my GRS. But I think this doesn't count... 

Well 8 miles per day is not bad at all... So I think I can relax because of breathing during sports... But I'll ask Dr. Kim and / or Jessie anyway and post their Feedback here.

Take care 
Danielle