europe ffs rhinoplasty

[tidalflames]

So im going for my third rhinoplasty after two botched nosejobs from regular plastic surgeons in Scandinavia and im starting to look for someone who is good, but also trans-friendly enough to perform the surgery knowing that Im on HRT and listen to my demands to get a more feminine nose.

So far I have been looking at the three FFS clinics in Europe ( Bart van der ven , Singelberg clinic (Noorman van der Dussen) and Facial team (Bellinga).
It seems they all perform rhinoplasties, but after reading u I also get the impression that this type of surgery is really hard. Specially revisions, so Im thinking about finding someone who is just a "top notch" nose surgeon for this.
At the same time, Im paranoid that they simply wont give me a more femiine nose, but instead just repare the damage, and make it more masculine.
Was wonderig if anyone here knows any good Rhinoplastyspecialists, who accept Trans-patients.
(if I had the money, Id see Dr Nassif in the US, but Im going to try to keep in to europe as its easier to travel here)

[mmmmm]

While there are many good rhinoplasty surgeons in Europe (it is most common facial cosmetic surgery...), you better make sure you go to someone who is real rhinoplasty specialist, meaning thats practically all they do. There are some nose surgeons in US, who do 3 or 4 noses per day. Im not familiar with anyone like this in Europe.

Feminizing rhinoplasty isnt anything really special in itself. Most women who seek rhinoplasty have masculine looking noses, which they want to have feminized and aesthetically improved. What is tricky here is that you have already had not just one but 2 attempts, and it makes everything a lot less predictable than a first time rhinoplasty. There could be issues with cartilage, issues with central support structure, scar tissue, etc... This is why there is a difference between an average plastic surgeon who primarily deals with first time rhinoplasty, and a specialist who has done hundreds and hundreds of revision surgeries, and have seen all there is to see with messed up noses. I dont know how complicated your nose actually is, but 3rd time is appropriate time to go to someone specialized. 

[firestarter]

Hi, I am going for my 3rd Rhinoplasty. I need to see a few more surgeons and then I will make a decision. At this moment, even though I live in the UK, I'm strongly thinking about going to Dr Denenberg in Omaha, USA. I have been corresponding with him over the last 7 months. He is confident, and from what I've found out, very capable. I had a consultation with Dr Pierre Simon yesterday, but he said that he was not able to help me as my nose was beyond his capabilities and he didn't have the level of expertise required. Next week I'm off to Marbella to see Dr Bellinga, after that Dr Bart and then maybe Dr Uppal in London. If they do not inspire me with their confidence, then it has probably got to be Dr Denenberg. My nose was destroyed by many years of boxing and street fighting. After 2 rhinoplasty surgeries it is looking a lot better, but still only two thirds of the way to where I want it to be. Try looking into Dr Denenberg.

[tidalflames]

Thanx for the tip
Dr Denenberg seems to be the holy grail of Rhinoplasties.
Its very interesting to read his page showing the procedure itself and he seems confident enough to deal with complicated cases as well as educate on the procedures itself.
My big concern is the price, but on the the hand...you only have x amounts of trials.

My nose has also been thru some "fighting" experiences :/ so its a complicated case.

Would love to hear your experiences with the europeans.

[2cherry]

So im going for my third rhinoplasty after two botched nosejobs

Are you willing to share what this means? what did they do? did they truly make mistakes, or are you not satisfied how it turned out?

I'm asking, because the nose is the most prominent feature and also a feature we are most used to seeing ourselves in the mirror. Any change to it radically changes our face. I'm afraid of it, but I also know that when I get a new nose shape, I have to learn to "accept" the new nose shape, which can be difficult. So I really want to know how others think about this...

[tidalflames]

Botched is probably the wrong word here...
In my case, I don't think the surgeons made mistakes. Its more a matter of having a complicated nose thats just been thru the process of testosterone (If I could only turn back time and skip puberty ). Strong bones and thick cartilage and oily skin, so Im really the nightmare-rhinoplasty patient.
My biggest problems seem to be that it just still look too big and masculine compare to the average woman on the street.
as you mention...Its such a prominent feature in the face and the part that is really hard to hide so any irregularities or bumps tend to be noticeable. And male skin is hard to hide with makeup..
Then im also unlucky with scar healing ,as my body produces scar tissue like never before.

Overall when reading up on rhinoplasties, it seems most doctors do express the male nose as the "harder type of rhinoplasty" because of the male anatomy.
Cis women with nice thin skin seems to be much easier, so I can imagine that making a female nose from a male one must be a master challenge.

It could also the that the midface is too masculine/sunken in that makes the base looks bigger.

Something to point out tho, is that it has been getting better for each rhinoplasty so its way better than my initial nose... Its just one of those features you tend to be extra focused on when going thu transition.