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Update - hrt problem- 2 years ago.

Started by nayuki, June 23, 2016, 04:51:51 PM

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nayuki

Well about 2 years ago.  I"m not going to worry about that exact time frame.  basically is around the time of my early transition.  I had really big scare.  the pills i was taking for HRT had produced blood clots.  i  had blood work done 6 months after the fact and that was the only conclusion they came up with.  Me being healthy young adult there was no reason for me to develop the massive clots that i did.  I had suffered from a Pulmonary embolism.  and was basically on my death bed with how bad it had got.  thankfully i had a full recovery.  I had to stop taking hormones for the better part of my recovery. which lasted about a year.  i eventually went back on the pills and everything has been fine ever since.  i had a chest scan done about 2 months ago and there is no sign of any clots.  This experience has pushed me to respect everyday and everyone.  I'm not saying i never did before, but i would make a solid effort to do so from that point on.  I would not wish what i went though on anyone.

On a more personal note, as if that wasn't personal enough already!  my life is about as normal as i can expect.  upon my escape from the hospital i went back to work.  i had to find a new job, because i was gone for too long that they ended up replacing me.  which worked out more in my favor anyway.  cause from that point i was living full time.  I have begun a new journey actually. I have decided to take a big step and return to school. which i have been for the last year.  I'm loving it.  so overall i think i live a pretty normal life.  People can finally know the real me and i couldn't be happier for it.  my family has told me on many occasion that i seem ten times happier.  Still waiting for surgery, which is coming up in a few months.  that i can honestly say i am so nervous about.  so many things can go wrong.  That isn't going to deter me from going though, just in the back of mind i remember how close i came to being six feet under. 

Anyway this has been along time coming.  School has kept me busy plus i do play a lot of soccer.  I would love to keep tabs with what is going on here and would love to chat if anyone wants to!  I'll be browsing around the forums again!
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Ms Grace

A scary experience indeed, so glad that you are still with us!! So are you still on HRT? Did they change the medication you were on?
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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nayuki

I  was able to stay on androgen blockers.  but they told me to stop taking estrogen hormones.  as a side effect of taking those is blood clots.  after the clots cleared up i resumed the medication and i haven't had anymore problems so far.  I'm very active now and I'm more conscious about being healthy because of there still being a moderate risk of clots forming again.  I cant' live with out hormones though the depression symptoms are 2 much in the longer term.  having basically zero testosterone and estrogen basically left me in a really bad emotional roller coaster.  I'm still on the same dosage i was on before.
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AnonyMs

What kind of pills were you taking? It's a know risk with certaint types?

Are you seeing a normal doctor or an endo? Mine has a fair bit of experience with trans clotting problems.
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nayuki

I'm seeing 6 doctors all dealing with different specialty's .. but yes i do have a doctor monitoring my hormones that deals with trans patients.  The respiratory specialist says i should be fine to go back on hormones but just to be careful watch for the warning signs... signs which i initially wrote off as nothing which is how it got so bad in the first place. As i said i have made a full recovering and everything is looking good! :D

i am taking Spiro, and Estrace.
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Emily-G

That is very freighting, I'm glad you were able to get through it.

Is there any idea what caused it specifically? That would be a very tough decision to make to go back on them but I can understand why.
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nayuki

QuoteThat is very freighting, I'm glad you were able to get through it.

Is there any idea what caused it specifically? That would be a very tough decision to make to go back on them but I can understand why.

from the 3 specialists i have seen the only conclusion is that the Estrace was the cause of the clots. I was tested for many different causes and everything came back negative.  so the only thing that makes sense is the Estrace, and seeing as the only thing that has changed was i started taking that pill it makes sense.  i had been on Spiro for over a year before i ever started taking Estrogen.  it was an easy decision i just have to understand the risk and listen to warning signs if any because a 2nd PE could be fetal.  Not to try and scare anyone but yea there are real risks with HRT.  but you have to weigh the potential risk with the benefits, and i still found the benefits to out weigh the risks.
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Benni G

Hi Nayuki,

I had a PE event in December 2014, I was on Micogynon (ethinyl estrogen) at the time. While I was active, I wasn't as active as I am now, I make the effort to do some regular exercise now. I was in ICU for 5 days and considered lucky. I was told to stop the estrogen and never take again. I was back at work 8 days after the hospital admission, I wasn't allowed to have any more time off work, my boss wasn't understanding.

I did stop for about 9 days but, then recommenced again due to feeling worse off it. I take warfarin and haven't had any recurring symptoms, just that every little ache or pain in my leg makes me paranoid. I am currently on Estradot patches. I was on patches for 9 months prior to starting microgynon and then the clot occurred 9 months after beginning microgynon. The endocrinologist said that the microgynon combined with spiro was the best method to suppress the testosterone, I was also the endo first trans patient and unfortunately the advice from another gender Dr almost proved fatal. It shocks people when you tell them that you still take estrogen, unfortunately it's the main thing to help combat the torment of dysphoria, the benefits outweigh the risks.

The Dr's didn't do any testing to see, it was, it felt that they just concluded that it was the estrogen, didn't matter what form it was in, just purely the estrogen and that's that! The last time I saw my haemotolgist in July, his attitude had changed a little toward me and half agrees that it was the form of estrogen that caused the clot. He said that his training would indicate that any form of estrogen would be a contributing factor but, research shows that there is higher risk from Ethinyl estrogen. He said another contributing factor is not being active enough, regular exercise and body movements .

I am 15 months post orchi, performed by a urologist. I was considered a high risk surgery, it went ahead without complications and has made a large improvement to my life.

For a few months I have been trying to organise srs. I have had two denials for surgery recently, one said yes initially but, then said no. I have heard of a surgeon in New York that has done surgeries for patients with a history of dvt / PE
I heard back from a surgeon in India that says that as long as they know what medication you take now they can plan perio operatively.
I have sent a few other email enquires to other surgeons of options. I am located in Australia. I regularly see my GP, endocrinologist, haematologist and recently saw a cardiologist. All gave me clearance for surgery.  It may mean that I have to work collectively with all my specialists to find a willing surgeon?
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AnonyMs

Hi Benni, if you have the money I'd recommend seeing the endo Dr Hayes in Sydney. I asked him about it a couple of years ago and he has quite a bit of experience with clotting problems, both caused by ethinyl estradiol (which he doesn't prescribe) and genetic.

Clearly you should never be prescribed Micogynon, its known to be dangerous and doctor should know better. Unfortunately there are doctors in Australia (in particular Melbourne) that continue to do so. I had one doctor some years ago in Sydney that thought Premarin was a good idea.

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Benni G

Thanks AnonyMs,
I have heard Dr Hayes is quite good. Unfortunately I am in Darwin, I do have an option to see another clinic here that has Dr's visiting from interstate. I am currently on Estradot patches and my hormone levels are finally stable.

My Endo was in consultation from a Dr at Monash gender centre in Melbourne when he prescribed the microgynon initially
My endo has quite a few trans patients now and thankfully approaches it differently now.
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AnonyMs

Perhaps you can persuade your doctor to try implants. I know where you can get them from if you're interested.
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Benni G

I asked the Endo about Injections from Stenlake compounding in Sydney and it was a big no. Reasons were that the injections brought very quick very high spikes and then dropped off too quickly and also there is no long term data for long term use.
I can ask about the implants, they come from Stenlake too I think? Currently on 2 estradot patches until end of year and then plans to reduce to 1 after that. 
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AnonyMs

Stenlake supply implants and I find them totally awesome. I'm well over a year between implants now and they provide high and stable blood levels. Dr Hayes has thousands of trans patients and many are on implants. Only a very small minority don't like them.

As to injections, they are very popular so I find it hard to imagine your endo has done special expertise that others lack. More likely just the opposite...

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kelly_aus

Quote from: Benni G on November 17, 2017, 09:10:45 PM
I asked the Endo about Injections from Stenlake compounding in Sydney and it was a big no. Reasons were that the injections brought very quick very high spikes and then dropped off too quickly and also there is no long term data for long term use.
I can ask about the implants, they come from Stenlake too I think? Currently on 2 estradot patches until end of year and then plans to reduce to 1 after that.

Your endo is grossly misinformed on the use of IM estradiol, which is not surprising as it's been some time since they've been easily pescribable.
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Benni G

Yes, I think I have had enough of this endo, has been almost 5 years with him. There is another clinic here in Darwin that has specialists that visit from interstate, so I will look at seeing one of them. Otherwise travelling to Sydney for more expertise.
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