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Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female? 6.0

Started by V M, July 01, 2016, 10:09:56 AM

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Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on August 14, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Not to take this off-topic, I hope this is the right place to post this.

Passing as female is not just about hair, make-up and clothes. It's about communicating in as many ways as you can that you are female. People tend to see and hear what they expect to see and hear and ignore the rest. Once the observer's mind registers "female" they won't change that decision unless you do something unexpected.

Even after all these years, I still see many imperfections in myself. However, people who have known me for years have no idea about my past. I'm not saying to ignore the cosmetic details because they are important. I'm suggesting that there are other things to work on that will help you.

The phone is particularly challenging. A few years ago a friend called and I used to answer with a simple "Hello." Well, my teenage son at the time still had a somewhat high voice and so she mistook me for my son - which kind of embarrassed me. Anyway, I now pick up the phone and answer "Hello this is Rhonda!" And make sure to use a strong upward inflection. I establish immediately, even if it's a stranger that they are speaking with a woman. My voice isn't that high, but I always get "ma'am" on the phone.

Also, I believe that it is about wearing what is appropriate for the context. What are other women wearing in a given locale? If you're wearing that, you won't stand out and people will think "just another woman." I tend to wear yoga pants, jeans and shorts a lot because that is common around here.

Finally, and this is most important. You have to learn how women act in public and this takes practice. For example, when women make eye contact in public, they quite often give each other a brief little smile. It's kind of a "let's be friends" smile. This also applies to the grocery checker or other women you interact with. So, when a woman looks you in the eye and smiles at you, smile right back! Also, you have to be relaxed and confident in yourself in public. You need to think "I look cute today!" not "Everyone is looking at me!!"

Hugs,
Rhonda

There's a lot of useful stuff in this post.
I try to use a variety of subtle cues to help me pass in everyday life.
The smiling thing is important, even though I have to really try and concentrate to do it, and not awkwardly immediately look away when someone looks at me, which is my default reaction. There are certainly days when I really feel very confident and then it all falls into place. Other days I feel awkward and conspicuous, and I know that people pick up on that. It's hard to face each day with endless confidence and chirpy upbeat smiles.
I find that my voice seems to work well on the 'phone, and my partner has commented that my 'phone voice' is much higher in pitch and has more inflection than my face-to-face speaking voice. I rely more on my looks when face-to-face, and I just can't seem to get my 'phone voice to work for me when I'm not on the 'phone.
I too always establish my gender (by name) as soon as possible in a 'phone conversation, this helps no end.
I find that if I smile while talking, (again this works well on the 'phone) then this seems to help.
I've always had this patient, quiet, hesitant demeanour, it makes me particularly easy to be ignored or talked over. And that thing where guys just ignore or talk over women, that always happens to me. The thing was, it used to happen to me before I transitioned, and so, rightly or wrongly, it seems more in-keeping with how I am now.
There's a knowing look that women give each other, and occasionally I can receive and give it, and that is a nice feeling all of it's own.
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KatelynRain

Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.



If I saw you in a store and you were in female clothes with a little makeup, I wouldn't question that you were a woman. The shape of your body is a little masculine but you can fix that with a little weight loss and evercise, and mask it with clothing.  I think you look great [emoji4]


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Kitty June

Quote from: KatelynRain on August 15, 2016, 10:06:10 AM

If I saw you in a store and you were in female clothes with a little makeup, I wouldn't question that you were a woman. The shape of your body is a little masculine but you can fix that with a little weight loss and evercise, and mask it with clothing.  I think you look great [emoji4]


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Thank you so much. That's very kind of you.
The biggest hurdle I face now is presenting female in voice as well. I was made aware that I've been lazy on that and was told so at work. Not in those terms, but they attempt to gender me correctly, but it becomes hard when they hear my voice.
So.....with that said, I have to work on a well rounded presentation.
That, and to stop being lazy and scared.
Thanks again ;)
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SanaRinomi



Quote from: KatelynRain on August 15, 2016, 10:06:10 AM

If I saw you in a store and you were in female clothes with a little makeup, I wouldn't question that you were a woman. The shape of your body is a little masculine but you can fix that with a little weight loss and evercise, and mask it with clothing.  I think you look great [emoji4]


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I haven't hear of evercise! Is it better that exercise?

Sorry of it sounded rude. I just saw comedic value in it and went for it. But I do agree with what you say about her as well.

                                       Love,  Sarina!

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Kittenwolf

No attempts at passing, just rocking some new clothes (yes, the hoodie is way too big). Thoughts?



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Sebby Michelango

Quote from: Kittenwolf on August 16, 2016, 06:02:49 AM
No attempts at passing, just rocking some new clothes (yes, the hoodie is way too big). Thoughts?





Since you asked, you would receive a honest reply. Your clothes reminds me a bit about the 1990 to 2005 style. It's not very modern clothing, it's a bit outdated. But it doesn't need to mean it's negative, if you likes to stand out a bit. How old are you btw? The miniskirt combined with so much pink and purple is very youthful. With youth I doesn't mean adult, but younger than that. From my experience I've seen most young children with clothes like that where I live. I've no idea how it's in your country, but here I live I've experienced it. If you cares about others opinions and want to dress properly from the society's view in situation you think you would need it (e.g. getting jobs, party etc), I would recommend you a more adult like clothes style. If you don't care about other's opinions, I think you should go for what you want.

Pink and purple clothes with miniskirt and 2005 hoodie is associated with children where I live. You doesn't need to follow the newest fashion. But wearing lesser pink would improve your style a bit in my opinion. Getting some denim jeans and plain white t-shirts would improve it and suit you, I think.

I also recommend you to go to the hairdresser to get more volume in your hair so it appear thicker. But the bang hairstyle is fine if I look away from that. Passing wouldn't be a big problem for you. You have a soft feminine face, so don't worry about that. It's up to you what you want to do with your style, I just shared my honest thoughts.
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EmmaMcAllister

Started HRT in October, 2014. Orchiectomy in August, 2015. Full-time in July, 2016!

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kittenpower

Quote from: EmmaMcAllister on August 16, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
Two recent pictures. What do you think?



I especially like the picture with your hair down; you look really pretty 😊
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EmmaMcAllister

Started HRT in October, 2014. Orchiectomy in August, 2015. Full-time in July, 2016!

If you need an understanding ear, feel free to PM me.
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alex82

Quote from: EmmaMcAllister on August 16, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
Two recent pictures. What do you think?



I think you look really brilliant. Tastefully done.
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Wednesday

Quote from: Mickie on August 14, 2016, 11:26:13 PM
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"



Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.


Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point

Hate to say this but you look pretty hot as a boy in that pic <3

Surgery wise, based on the picture, nosejob and liplift (maybe filler on upper lip too). Jaw/chin? Not completely sure but likely.
"Witches were a bit like cats" - Terry Pratchett
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alex82

Quote from: Wednesday on August 17, 2016, 02:26:22 PM
Hate to say this but you look pretty hot as a boy in that pic <3

Surgery wise, based on the picture, nosejob and liplift (maybe filler on upper lip too). Jaw/chin? Not completely sure but likely.

Yeah I second that. Hot man. I know that's not what you want to hear. You may well look androgynous, but if I saw you in a bar, my first thought wouldn't be androgynous, it'd be 'that's tonight's target'.

I'd say a nose job at the sides, and some heavy plucking. It's hard to tell really, so maybe androgynous is a good fit...there's nothing screaming 'potential disaster' just as there is nothing screaming the truth of what you feel.
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Hannah Samira

Quote from: Mickie on August 14, 2016, 11:26:13 PM
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"



Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.


Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point

Just so you know, from what I've seen the hot guys tend to turn in to beautiful girls, so don't worry about that ;) x
Twitter: @HannahSamira14
Instagram: @hannah_samira14

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Kittenwolf

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on August 16, 2016, 07:13:37 AM
Since you asked, you would receive a honest reply. Your clothes reminds me a bit about the 1990 to 2005 style. It's not very modern clothing, it's a bit outdated. But it doesn't need to mean it's negative, if you likes to stand out a bit. How old are you btw? The miniskirt combined with so much pink and purple is very youthful. With youth I doesn't mean adult, but younger than that. From my experience I've seen most young children with clothes like that where I live. I've no idea how it's in your country, but here I live I've experienced it. If you cares about others opinions and want to dress properly from the society's view in situation you think you would need it (e.g. getting jobs, party etc), I would recommend you a more adult like clothes style. If you don't care about other's opinions, I think you should go for what you want.

Pink and purple clothes with miniskirt and 2005 hoodie is associated with children where I live. You doesn't need to follow the newest fashion. But wearing lesser pink would improve your style a bit in my opinion. Getting some denim jeans and plain white t-shirts would improve it and suit you, I think.

I also recommend you to go to the hairdresser to get more volume in your hair so it appear thicker. But the bang hairstyle is fine if I look away from that. Passing wouldn't be a big problem for you. You have a soft feminine face, so don't worry about that. It's up to you what you want to do with your style, I just shared my honest thoughts.

I wouldn't be wearing this as normal day-to-day :)
Well, the hoodie would be a 'whenever' kind of thing but the skater skirt would be whenever it seems appropriate, most often it'd likely be the skater skirt and a dark top, and the hoodie would go with whatever pants/skirt I happened to be wearing at the time.

Not that I mind looking younger than I am mind you!

And I've got an appointment next week to get a perm (well, soft perm which should last about a month) which ought to take care of the volume issue!
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ainawa88



One year (okay, 2 days before it had reached one year) on HRT.
No attempt at "passing," but I only bust out the makeup once every few months nowadays, so this is how I look 99% of the time. I'm happy with it. :)
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Hannah Samira

Quote from: ainawa88 on August 18, 2016, 10:17:59 AM


One year (okay, 2 days before it had reached one year) on HRT.
No attempt at "passing," but I only bust out the makeup once every few months nowadays, so this is how I look 99% of the time. I'm happy with it. :)
I'd be happy looking like that too!! ;)
Twitter: @HannahSamira14
Instagram: @hannah_samira14

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Sebby Michelango

Quote from: ainawa88 on August 18, 2016, 10:17:59 AM


One year (okay, 2 days before it had reached one year) on HRT.
No attempt at "passing," but I only bust out the makeup once every few months nowadays, so this is how I look 99% of the time. I'm happy with it. :)

The nose and the brow bridge might give people a idea you aren't cisgender, but you have potential to pass.  :)
Congratulation with 1 year! :)
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sailorscout4761

I haven't yet started hrt, but I thought I'd throw my hat in anyhow and see what y'all think [emoji5]

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EllieM

very cute! Based on that pic, you will transition well, you are already there :)
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Sebby Michelango

Quote from: sailorscout4761 on August 19, 2016, 12:21:59 PM
I haven't yet started hrt, but I thought I'd throw my hat in anyhow and see what y'all think [emoji5]

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It's a start, but I thinks the hair looks wig-ish and you aren't passing yet. :) It's something with the hairline and the hair parting which looks wig-ish. Perhaps the wig sits too low at your head, so you can drag it a bit back, so it would sit better.
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