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For those who were clueless until later in life

Started by help.confused88, July 15, 2016, 12:16:24 PM

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help.confused88

Hey there !

How are you all !

Just a question for those in here who did not have a clue they were mtf until very late in life, say late 20s and on...
Did you have issues with performance such as public speaking, or sport competitions? Also a weird feeling in your forehead/eyes kind of like fogginess or like heaviness. This are the thing that drive me crazy now... Talking to people is becoming impossible too and even when I talk I have this off feeling in my throat (maybe my anxiety when my voice comes out?)

Thanks !
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Tessa James

There have been some great threads here over the years about just how many clues we had but often missed.  I felt much less social confidence prior to transitioning and I attribute much of that to having something to hide.  Many times our efforts to deny ourselves is not something we are consciously aware of but may be manifest in the anxiety you noted?  Things do get better with transition in my experience.  Keep a journal perhaps, to track your personal progress?
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Semira

Quote from: help.confused88 on July 15, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
Just a question for those in here who did not have a clue they were mtf until very late in life, say late 20s and on...
Did you have issues with performance such as public speaking, or sport competitions? Also a weird feeling in your forehead/eyes kind of like fogginess or like heaviness. This are the thing that drive me crazy now... Talking to people is becoming impossible too and even when I talk I have this off feeling in my throat (maybe my anxiety when my voice comes out?)
I'm not sure if I meet your requirements as I did have and recognize the clues throughout my teens and 20s but I largely chose to ignore them.

I have many issues with public speaking. I have a significant amount of social anxiety even in very mundane situations. I have difficulties getting words out of my mouth that don't sound garbled. If I stick to short and concise responses then I do alright but if I try to string together multiple sentences then my speech goes downhill in a hurry. I'm not sure how much of it is psychological and how much is physiological. Even in situations where I'm comfortable and with a family member I've had difficulty getting words out of my mouth and have to concentrate to make sure I sound intelligible.

I do have occasional pressure and fogginess in my head and eyes but that is caused by frequent headaches.
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KathyLauren

Quote from: help.confused88 on July 15, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
very late in life, say late 20s and on
LOL!   :D  I am in my early 60s.

I used to be very underconfident with public speaking.  I learned to get comfortable with it because I like teaching.  I prefer one-on-one coaching, but I branched out to doing classroom presentations.  I compensate for my natural shyness by knowing my subject inside and out.

A couple of years ago, the local community association wanted to take over administration of the fire department.  As a member of the fire department, I wanted to speak out at the public meeting against the proposal.  I rehearsed my speech for two months ahead of time.  When the time came, I delivered my comments without notes, without a single "um" or "ah", and without missing anything I wanted to say. 

I don't experience the fuzziness you describe, but I do get extreme adrenaline and nervousness if I am not prepared properly.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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CarlyMcx

Interestingly, no.  Speaking in public was never a problem for me because I started playing concert flute in elementary school, so performing in front of a lot of people was something I became accustomed to at an early age.  And as playing the flute was about the only girly thing I got to do as a child, I enjoyed it.

Sports competitions were never a problem either, as long as it was an individual sport, such as bicycle racing.

All my early indications of transgender status were pretty overtly feminine desires, like wanting to wear a bikini at the beach, wanting to wear short shorts in warm weather, wanting to look at the girls toys in the Sears catalog, and wanting to have long nails and hair.
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Asche

I knew from an early age that I had some sort of problem around gender.  I knew I wasn't the way boys were supposed to be, and if I ever forgot, the people around me made sure to remind me.  I didn't get any grief on that score within my family, but at school, in church, at camp, etc., I was called "queer" or "sissy" or "weirdo" and was an outcast, and the grown-ups always acted like there was something wrong with me and frequently told me.

I remember when I was quite young thinking it was really stupid the way so many things were "only for girls" or "only for boys,"  and when I encountered feminism, my reaction to each thing I learned about it was, "well, isn't that obvious?"  I've also always identified with girls and women more than boys or men.

Now it seems obvious to think that maybe I should have been a girl, but back in those days, being seen as girly or "sissy" earned you all kinds of abuse from both children and adults, and I was getting too much of that already.  Imagining myself as a girl would have been just too dangerous.

As for public speaking and performances: I have a pretty good idea why I wasn't any good at them.  For most of my childhood, my parents and other adults in my life constantly did things that almost (?) seemed intended to kill any self-confidence.  Basically, anything I thought or said or did was not only wrong, but something I should have known better than to do.  To the extent I had any self-confidence at all, it was in areas in my life which I could keep more or less secret from everyone else.  Music was good, but only if no one could hear me.  Math was good, because I could figure out all by myself whether I was doing it right.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Deborah

I knew since I was 11 and by 15, in 1975, had a name for it.  But I didn't really know what I could do about it and guessed incorrectly that I could eventually will it away.

In sports, particularly those with balls, I had no talent at all.  But I had a huge amount of will and drive so I did pretty well in the end.  Later on I found I did have some limited talent for running.  Part of that I think was due to attitude too because I willed myself to endure a whole lot of pain.

Public speaking would freeze me.  While I'm still not very good I can do pretty well if I rehearse some first.  But it took until I was nearly 30 not to freeze and get tongue tied.

I didn't have a physical feeling in my forehead, but there was a mental fog of dysphoria that clouded everything and prevented my mind from really focusing for any length of time.


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Kylo

I had severe social anxiety as a child, couldn't talk in public, look people in the eye and was terrified of interacting with shopkeepers. I practiced speaking, I practiced looking people in the eyes, etc. I hated sport in school and out of it.

Now you wouldn't guess I had ever had that problem. Some people think I'm a bit over-assertive even. You can deal with it if you want to overcome. I discovered after leaving school that I actually quite like certain competitive sports, and I'm generally very competitive in life. This condition just crushed me down so much I was basically paralyzed. But eventually the real personality does out. This happens so often among trans people apparently I tend to believe that the real soul of a person can never be truly suppressed.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Reyes

First off I just have to say, late 20's is not very late in life. :x

Secondly, this is just freaky, I've been going through those same exact things for so long now, but the part that's freaky is the head fogginess, I've had that for awhile now and I had absolutely no idea it was because of the gender dysphoria.
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VeronicaLynn

I was repressing these feelings until my late 30's...though not really clueless.

I've always been a great public speaker. I even once ran for student body President, lost in a landslide, but still gave a speech in front the whole school. More personal conversations, I had been always super shy, though I'm really quite a bit less so now, I think now it's because I didn't want to expose my secret, and it's really hard to repress something that's so obvious.

Was never really very good at team sports, though I'm pretty good at individual sports that are mostly about physics, golf, bowling, pool, etc.
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warlockmaker

In reflection I was a gregarious, exceptional  male. I was the top in my class and graduated uni with honors and was the top 3 in California in the CPA exams. A competitor without peer ..a pro surfer, then show horse rider..left professional sports and became an investment banker and highly sought as a speaker in financial conferences ...later in life became a club champion in golf and represented HK in the Ironman World Championships 2 times.

All a show of what I thought made me a alpha male. It took me 3 years of therapy to accept that my concerns were because I was tg. But what made me take the step in thye end at 65 to start HRT was that I could not lie on my deathbed a life unfufilled...had my surgeries just before 68...

I'm ever so glad I did...yes the fog that I never knew was there in my mind lifted. Always felt that I was more like a fish in a fishbowl in my life outlook. I have found peace and a new perspective of life.

It's never too late...I fufilled my duties to my family ...that's how I was raised and now live my dream.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: help.confused88 on July 15, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
Hey there !

How are you all !

Just a question for those in here who did not have a clue they were mtf until very late in life, say late 20s and on...
Did you have issues with performance such as public speaking, or sport competitions? Also a weird feeling in your forehead/eyes kind of like fogginess or like heaviness. This are the thing that drive me crazy now... Talking to people is becoming impossible too and even when I talk I have this off feeling in my throat (maybe my anxiety when my voice comes out?)

Thanks !

Not an mtf and didn't find out late in life but did wait to transition. I experienced what I termed "mental fog" frequently. Also, my body often felt "heavy". I used to mumble a lot, especially my female name, then be forced to repeat it.

I hated the sound of my voice and never wanted to see/hear recordings of myself. Hated having my picture taken. Hating seeing pictures of myself. You can relate?
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Heather14

I don't think I was really ever clueless. From the first time I put on my Mom's things I just knew I was different. I never enjoyed playing sports, instead would rather be around the girls. I am a very outgoing person, have been all my life so I have zero issues public speaking. I never associated wanting to be a girl with speaking or being in a difficult social situation. Honestly I wish I were  teenager now so I could have made a different decision earlier.
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naa

I don't publicly speak, and I have almost zero interest in sport, and did my best to avoid it at school.

The foggy forehead/eyes thing you describe, isn't something that sounds like anything I've ever felt.
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Reyes

Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on July 17, 2016, 06:20:39 AM
Not an mtf and didn't find out late in life but did wait to transition. I experienced what I termed "mental fog" frequently. Also, my body often felt "heavy". I used to mumble a lot, especially my female name, then be forced to repeat it.

I hated the sound of my voice and never wanted to see/hear recordings of myself. Hated having my picture taken. Hating seeing pictures of myself. You can relate?
I sure as hell can.

I have dealt with every last one of those that you named, well, except my body doesn't feel heavy, the skin on my chest feels like super tight.

Man, whenever I start to have those annoying nagging doubts, all I have to do is come here and see all of you going through the same things like these and I'm reassured again that I am mtf. :3
Sunday, November 15th 2015/Sunday, August 7th 2016/Wednesday, May 10th 2017 x2



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Michelle_P

I think I knew I was a little different when I got in trouble at age 6-7 for my behaviors.  That's when I started learning to hide my true self.  I didn't have a label for it until I was 32, interviewing a woman for a job opening we had who was obviously early in transition.  I remember thinking in the interview "She's so brave.  I wish I could do that."  WAIT?  WHAT?  Tricksy minds, hiding things from ourselves...

Mental fog?  Yeah.  Starting around age 15 when I got those "vitamin shots, so you'll grow up right".  :p That got a bit better over time, but it didn't really clear up until the past few weeks.  Yay, spiro.

I was OK with public speaking given enough time to prep and script myself.  Extemporaneous?  Spur of the moment?  Not so much.  I'm much more relaxed now, and better able to converse in one-on-one situations.  I still don't do to well in groups with moe aggressive speakers present.
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