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Post-op and transition complete (almost)

Started by Miss Clara, July 17, 2016, 08:31:22 AM

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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Clara Kay on April 21, 2017, 10:32:57 AMI think I like your term 'transsexing'.  I like words to have meaning, and transsexing does remove the ambiguity of 'transitioning'.  It's why I prefer 'transsexual' to 'transgender' when describing myself when necessary.  I'd like to find a word that captures the state of being comfortable with one's sex whether as it was assigned at birth or reassigned later in life.  Many of us do achieve the same sex/gender congruence that cisgender people experience.

"Transsexing" isn't my word, but a word from a dear friend who was around way back in the day; she'd been living a woman's life for over 20 years when I transitioned.  Anyways, to me, "transition" is about the front half of passing -- getting your body and voice right, your documentation right, the therapy and surgeries and so forth.  Then, when there's no more ambiguity, it's all about adapting to living with correct gendering now in place.  That's transsexing.  And, like transition, eventually this too will be over.

Achieving that congruence is, to me, the essence of the cis experience.  Might as well claim it. 

What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Karen_A

Quote from: Clara Kay on April 21, 2017, 10:32:57 AM
I think I like your term 'transsexing'.

AFAIK the person who coined that went by a screen name who's initials were KG and had a very loyal following.

She also had a system for defining where someone was in the process of "transsexing".  She called them Step Phases and it had level from 0 to 6 ... They were commonly referred to as SP levels

I have a feeling if I posted them here they would be somewhat controversial ... I know I argued about then back in the day! ;)

- Karen
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Karen_A on April 21, 2017, 06:42:14 PMShe also had a system for defining where someone was in the process of "transsexing".  She called them Step Phases and it had level from 0 to 6 ... They were commonly referred to as SP levels

Oh gosh, let's see if I can remember...

The first three were Face, Voice, and Sex.  The embodied half of transition, what people directly perceive, and from which the subconscious automatic gender assignment first happens.

The other three were something like Socialization, Narrative, and... Memory (or perhaps Eidos)?  The "transsexing" part, which is all about long-term relationship stuff (including friends and coworkers as well as lovers).  All of which require the first three steps in order to happen.
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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johnny.amador.39

Quote from: gv2002 on March 24, 2017, 10:55:12 AM
I'm very proud of you transition! Wish I would of done something 40 years ago. Life's been a living hell!


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Complete

Quote from: Steph Eigen on March 22, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
For those who are out many years from the initial phase of transition and surgeries, having lived and benefited  for years or even decades by congruent gender, how does it feel to have life evolve into older age?  The emphasis on secondary sexual characteristics must wane, the eye must turn more inward to some extent.

In the heat of the moment at younger age, tortured by dysphoria, I wonder if we lose larger perspective on the internal milieu that comes in  the longer term life as a woman.

Steph

I think this is a great question and an excellent observation. In my case,  I am 47 years post-op. That is a pretty o Nguyen time and so memories are dim am patchy. I do remember the desperation and the pain. In those days There really was no quidance or counseling or little more than finding the right surgeon, convincing him you were a good candidate that would benefit from the surgery and having the money to pay for it.
Strange as it might appear to you, the question of gender never came up. The thought of anything even approaching an "internal milieu" certainly never occurred to me.
It was all about changing my sex so l could have a normal life.
Almost half a century later since that incredibly crazy painful time, life is still wonderful. At age 71+, life is much different than when l was 23. I am 18 years into my fourth marriage to a super wonderful man and we are deeply and romantically in love. So yes. Life can be good and dreams do come true. You have only to reach out,  step up and make them happen.
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Miss Clara

It's been two years since I started this thread so I thought it might be helpful to give an update.  Things do change as time goes on, and not always the way you'd expect. 

My transition used to occupy every waking hour of my day.  It was the very first thing on my mind on waking each morning, and the last thing as I drifted off to sleep at night.  It was both a scary and joyous time of life.  I loved knowing that I was finally free to be myself.  I enjoyed feminine expression, and I was eager to transform my body to the female form.  I had no doubts about the course I was taking. 

Those early days were exciting and fulfilling.  My social life blossomed as I got involved with the transgender community here in Chicago.  My wife supported and accepted me.  I reveled in a second puberty, feeling like I was a young girl totally at odds with my actual age.

I detached from my former gendered life.   I changed my name on every source of mail, threw out or gave away my male clothes, began to celebrate my re-birthday, and refused to show people photos of the person who was quickly becoming a stranger to me.

I physically transitioned as fast as I could; facial hair removal Oct '14, FFS April '15, GRS Nov '15, and BA Nov '16.   I drew on my retirement nest egg to pay for everything.  Never once did I question whether the cost was worth it. 

As I said, things change.  Eventually, the euphoria that replaced the dysphoria began to subside.  The focus of my life started to shift to things that had nothing to do with gender identity.  My choices of clothing became more typical of other women.  Makeup was taking 5 minutes to apply instead of 30.  I stopped going to every trans support group meeting, and dropped out of one.  I was settling into a new routine that was becoming increasingly comfortable and mundane.

I have a closet full of dresses and high heels that I haven't worn in more than a year.  The core of who I've always been was reemerging from under a veil of uber femininity that I had wrapped around myself after years of being forced to fake a gender that never suited me. 

We call transition a journey, and indeed it is.  I've moved away from the trans community.  The trans conferences, trans events, parades, etc. that I was once so enthralled with, seem out of place and irrelevant in my life today.  I feel bad about it, in a way, but I realize that it was just a passing phase of my transition as transsexual woman. 

Today, I live half the year in another state where there are no LGBT clubs, support groups, or other transgender people that I'm aware of.  I live with my female partner in non-disclosure of my gender past.  My friends there are cisgender people who seem perfectly comfortable with our same-sex relationship at social gatherings.  Straight men don't shy away like they do where my past is open knowledge.  It feels nice.

I've selectively preserved the parts of my past life that were real and meaningful while discarding those which were nothing more than male posturing.  Lying by omission some would call it, but I see it as merely reinterpreting my past life in view of my true gender identity.  For example, saying I was the only woman in my engineering class at college was true.  I may have been gendered as a man, but I was always a woman in truth.  I was the 'boy' my father always wanted in a family of girls. I made the best of it, and learned to do things that few girls have the chance to learn.

Amazingly, my life today is not much different than it was before.  I changed my sex, I'm seen and treated as a woman, but I'm still me; just a prettier, weaker me who smiles when she sees herself in the mirror.  I still do many of the things I did as husband.  Except for sex, that is.  I was never good at that anyway.  The people that rejected me when I came out are forgotten.  I don't feel the need to justify my decision to correct the course of my life.  My only regret is that it took this long to find my place, but it's a regret I no longer dwell on. I've reached the end of my journey. 

I realize how lucky I've been.  Gender transition is hard, especially for those of us who transition late in life.  I was lucky to have been able to afford the surgeries.  I was lucky to find enough femininity beneath that testosterone-induced mask that misgendered me in the eyes of others and set for me a standard of behavior that I could never live up to. 

The transphobes will continue to insist that I'm a man biologically and will always be a man, but it doesn't matter what they think.  Fortunately, most of the people who knew me before are civil and respectful of my choice.  I don't expect them to see me as a natal woman, because I'm not.  But I am a woman, and am female in every way that matters.  To have reached this point is, for me, the ultimate achievement as a transsexual woman.  I'm going to make the best of it in the years that remain.  I wish the same for each of you.
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Ellement_of_Freedom

Thank you for touching base. That was really nice to read. <3


FFS: Dr Noorman van der Dussen, August 2018 (Belgium)
SRS: Dr Suporn, January 2019 (Thailand)
VFS: Dr Thomas, May 2019 (USA)
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LizK

Thank you Clara Kay for that uplifting and honest appraisal of where you are at. I so enjoyed reading your post and I was smiling and nodding all the way through. I hear a level of satisfaction that is heartening for those of use still on this journey. Sometimes I crave some semblance of the mundane back in my life as it feels a bit "overheated" at times.


Take care

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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HappyMoni

Clara,
   After a long journey, I am headed in a similar direction, but like you said, ('almost.') Thank you very much for this vision into a possible future. Thank you for sharing your reality. I'm  happy that you got there and hope you enjoy it for a long, long time.
Moni
Oh, and keep checking back when you feel it. It helps for folks on here to see how the process can play out. Hugs's
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Miss Clara

Gosh.  How things change as life goes on after transitioning.  There's not a lot of feedback from those who are long past transition.  That's too bad because those of us who go through gender transition will eventually settle into a new life as a woman (or man as the case may be).  What will that life be like?  The focus in the early stages of transition are so near-term focused it's unlikely to occupy our thoughts.

It's now more than five years since the start of my transition and more than 3 years since GRS.  When I look back at my transition log entries and the photographs taken along the way, I'm amazed at how single minded and determined I was to navigate this journey, overcoming hurdle after hurdle to achieve my goal.  Now that I've settled into a much more stable state of being, am now comfortable in my own skin, it's hard to understand how I did it.  The idea of traveling to Spain for facial surgery or Thailand for genital reconstruction would never happen in my current state of mind.  I can come up with no other explanation better than the difference between suffering gender dysphoria and not suffering it.

I have to admit that life today is not how I imagined it would be.  For one thing I thought that I would feel different about my gender.  What I mean is that I would feel the way other women feel about their gender, that I would feel like a woman in a more clear and intense way.  In fact, I simply feel like myself stripped of the requirement to project as a man in a world that has certain expectations of men.  Then again, I was never a man in my soul, so why should I sense a significant change?

I have constructed a new life that does not include disclosing my medical transition.  I've let go of those hyper-feminine ways that characterized my early transition days.  The exaggerated effects of hormone therapy have tapered off.  I've settled into a daily routine which is efficient and practical in the way I dress, apply makeup, fix my hair, etc.  I interact with people with a freedom of expression that flows easily and comfortably.  I don't feel a strong need to fit a particular template of appearance or behavior.  I do still strive for a more feminine voice and way of talking, however.   I want people to gender me correctly. 

I'm not afraid to be authentic in choosing friends, engaging socially, and pursuing my interests. I have no idea if people know or suspect that I'm trans, and I really don't much care anymore.  I refuse to let that aspect of my life define me, or let it interfere with the future course of my life.  To be brutally honest, I spend almost no time anymore engaged in trans related activities.  What used to be totally engrossing has become inconsequential from a personal perspective.  I have to make a point of staying connected with the trans community, or I'm sure that world would become as distant to me as it is for the cisgender population.

The one major difference I've noticed, the appreciation of which has not faded, is the transformation of my physical body from male to female.  I'm struck by how important that change has been in making me a happy, stable individual; much more than the behavioral changes and social gender transformation that I've experienced.  I may look, act, and sound for the most part like a woman, but I'm definitely not like most women.  My interests still lean more masculine than feminine.  I've tried to develop more stereotypically feminine interests, but realized I was forcing the issue.  It was not much different than trying to be more stereotypically masculine.  It's easier to just be myself, and much more satisfying.  My education and engineering background set me apart from most of the women in my life, and yet I have no problem relating to other women, and actually prefer the company of women to that of most men. 

Of course, my post-transition experience is unique to me.  It turned out well for the most part, but I know that turbulence and hard landings are common, as well.  I think it would be helpful for other long-timers to share their longer term post-transition experiences.  After all, it's where and how we all will be spending the balance of our post-transition lives.
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Karen_A

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Quote from: Miss Clara on December 24, 2018, 03:17:17 PM
It's now more than five years since the start of my transition and more than 3 years since GRS.

For me SRS was over 20 years ago so i guess I qualify as a long timer now.

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The one major difference I've noticed, the appreciation of which has not faded, is the transformation of my physical body from male to female.  I'm struck by how important that change has been in making me a happy, stable individual;

That is the area that never really worked out for me... I have a big male frame (skeleton)  and my HRT response (despite trying a number of different things/dosages over a lot of years) was minimal so my shape/proportions are too far from the female norms for this T* aware age. 

I had very little breast growth on a big rib cage... Implants helped but back in my day only saline implants were legal in the US. They feel fake and don't move right so have always helped to serve as a reminder of how my body did not co-operate.

FFS helped things (the works with Dr. O about 19 years ago) and is a big reason I pass most of the time.

All that, along  transitioning in place and staying in the same area (jobs after transition always had people from jobs before transition eventually work there too), as well as staying married from before, has made it difficult to really fully integrate socially as a woman.

How things turned out are not what I always dreamed of.

But all that said, overall I am in a better place than I was 'before' and that is what matters most.

- Karen
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Miss Clara

I remember back when I was trying to live up to the expectation of manhood, and was so frustrated that my shoulders were rather narrow, I wasn't very tall, and my rib cage was only 36 inches around.   Now I'm thankful for those physical characteristics.  Skeletal features are the one thing we are stuck with once formed other than some facial bone re-sculpturing.  Considering how extremely late I transitioned, it's amazing how well things worked out for me. 

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Karen_A

Quote from: Miss Clara on December 24, 2018, 07:40:40 PM
I remember back when I was trying to live up to the expectation of manhood, and was so frustrated that my shoulders were rather narrow, I wasn't very tall, and my rib cage was only 36 inches around.   

I can tell you broad shoulders and a 42" ribcage are certainly not optimal for transition as well as starting out at 6ft! ;)

I started the transition process at 39 and am now in my 60's. A long strange trip it's been!

- karen
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Miss Clara

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JanePlain

Quote from: Miss Clara on December 24, 2018, 07:40:40 PM
I remember back when I was trying to live up to the expectation of manhood, and was so frustrated that my shoulders were rather narrow, I wasn't very tall, and my rib cage was only 36 inches around.   Now I'm thankful for those physical characteristics.  Skeletal features are the one thing we are stuck with once formed other than some facial bone re-sculpturing.  Considering how extremely late I transitioned, it's amazing how well things worked out for me. 

https://unsee.cc/a24f91dd/

You look amazing! 
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Brenda80

Hi Clara, I do certainly relate to what you mentioned.
Its pretty tiring to emulate what a proper female should be, I tried huge part of my life trying to behave and be girlish and feminine. But I realise that it was going beyond the tipping point of being too loud. More than often attract too much attention to myself in a manner that I wish I did not have.
I realise that there are many types or category of women around, there is no definition what behaviour should a female behave. I really do not bother Which spectrum on the scale should I need to be as well.

I realise being yourself is what is most natural. Character of one develop over the years and it defines me. That is different from behaviour I realise. But sometimes both do clash. One case for example, I viewed myself as adventurous exploring countries and cities on my own in the past, but this sort of change as I tend to have more concern and fears going to places which have a higher crime rate.

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