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Sometimes i cannot believe how ignorant and senseless people can be...

Started by AmandaDanielle, July 25, 2016, 09:58:17 PM

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AmandaDanielle

It's been a long while since i posted on the forum. Life has been moving at the speed of light and i have to say living full-time is everything that i imagined. This life as you well know does not come without hardship. I am personally blessed with passing privilege in public due to a long and sorted medical history. The hardest thing for me was adjusting to the non-passing privilege at work. Everyone knew what i used to be and it is really difficult. Perhaps more difficult than i would have imagined.

Over the last couple months i have gotten a whole lot more comfortable in my skin. I have relaxed while at work enough to start developing my own style and not care "as much" what others are thinking. When some one reacts weird, I am able to put it in perspective and shrug it off. That is until a recent event.

Maybe i have become too comfortable for my own good, i don't know. My wife and I have been going out on the weekends. Since i got my name changed and my new identification, the limitation that i had to live with for months are gone and i have been living my life the way it should have been; unrestricted. We were at one of my favorite bars with a friend of mine sitting on the patio drink adult beverages.

I live in a tourist town. There is tons of street traffic and while sitting on the patio, we peopled watched. A couple of cute guys walked by and ended up flirting and hitting on me. First, I am not used to that and second, it makes me very uneasy because, though i'd like to just blend in and be the female i have always been, for safety sake i need to be careful. I enjoy flirting but i am always restrained. I ended up shutting their advances down and we continued sitting there.

All of a sudden this woman, who was obviously intoxicated came up behind me and stood there smoking a cigarette. I am very social so we chatted back and forth and when she was done she came close, kissed me on the cheek and then went back to her group. It struck me as odd but i wrote it off as her being drunk.

Later when they closed the patio we were walking into the bar and we passed this woman's table. She asked us to sit down with them. Much to my chagrin we agreed. Not that she was going to be denied. My wife and friend had to go to the bathroom and while they were gone this lady leaned over real close to me. Within whispering distance she states..."you're a man... aren't you?" "I just know these things and can tell," she said.

I was shocked. I didn't know quite how to react. She didnt make a public eaxample of me yet still i was completely on the spot. Like a deer in the headlights. I have never really got called out like that outside of work. i'm sure you are think, stop complaining... well i'm not really complaining. I recognize that this is part of the road in front of me. I accept that however, here is my perspective.

How do you identify? I am really not sure how I identify. Technically i am intersex. I have ovaries that function. I am on hormones and at one time in my life i presented as a man. Does that make me trans? One of my friends is gay and she is so proud of who she is and she owns it. I am proud of who i am but i struggle with telling people. My girlfriends have a bad tendency in telling people before i meet them and it bothers me. I never know if they know or they don't. Does that matter? When i say somethign to them they just say i should be proud of it and own it. Why do i struggle then? I know who i am... I said from the beginning when i transition i just want to blend and live my life.

This woman brought my world, quite literally screeching to a halt. What should i say. My knee-jerk reaction was to say "Ummm... No, that is insulting!" My honest side ended up taking the reins and said "Well, at one time yes i was but, that was a long time ago, and only because the public saw me that way. I've always been a woman!"

Stupid lady! Why did she have to dredge all this stuff up within me? I know i will never be a true, cis female. I wish is was! I am no more male though thanks to my anatomy. I am a variant. I simply choose to present as a female. Not just choose, prefer.

What would you have done? I am polling the crowd. Has some one been this bold with you? What did you say?
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danigirl

I can't honestly say what I would have done, I'm a long way from being in that position. I can say though that I think you handled it perfectly. Honestly even without making a scene out of it she was still very out of line to my way of thinking. you handled it with dignity, probably far better than I would have, so I say good for you.
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barbie

I am not on HRT, but like walking on heels with miniskirt. Several months ago, in a street, a young man passed me, turned his head to me and went on. While I continued to walk along the street, he chased me and asked me whether I am a crossdresser. I said like "why do you ask it?" He said I looked like that way. "So what?" It is not his business and I was not interested in him at all. Just ignore him. That's it.

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barbie

Quote from: AmandaDanielle on July 25, 2016, 09:58:17 PM
Within whispering distance she states..."you're a man... aren't you?" "I just know these things and can tell," she said.

Probably she has her own issue. She is also an m2f transgender??

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Lady Sarah

Being as she was (as you put it "obviously intoxicated"), I would likely have called her on it, and told her so sober up, so she can see straight.
started HRT: July 13, 1991
orchi: December 23, 1994
trach shave: November, 1998
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jmandrews74

Grrr! I agree with Lady Sarah and also have this to say...the 100% most irritating thing that other people do is focus on the supposed biological gender of trans people. It's like they just don't get it. To say "You're a man, aren't you" is to totally ignore who you really are. People who don't get it are obsessed with body parts as if those parts had their own brains and were somehow inherently defining a person's worldview.  It's like we can change our hormones, get plastic surgery, get a name change, etc...and then someone comes along and says "But the stain of your original biology is still in play right? You were born with that part so you must think and feel and act like that socially constructed gender."

**IDIOTS***

Whenever this comes up for me as a trans guy I often think of Amy Sedaris or Jane Lynch playing their creepier characters, totally drunk, not owning up to their weird voyeur/suppressed tendencies. 
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EmilyMK03

If someone said to me "you're a man... aren't you?"  I would respond by saying "you're a rude a--hole, aren't you?"  And then I would get up and leave.

If, on the other hand, someone said to me "you're transgender... aren't you?"  Then, depending on the tone in which they asked, I would admit that I am, and answer some questions they may have.

I have passing privilege too, and my name has been legally changed too, but if someone asks me if I'm trans, I'm not going to deny it.  I'm proud of who I am.  Yes, I identify as a woman, but I also identify as a transgender woman.  And as long as I'm treated with respect and as a woman, then I am happy to educate cis people on what it means to be transgender, as long as their intentions are sincere.
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SueNZ

People will always be insensitive and rude. That is the norm and what every different individual in life will come across.
It is no different to the Trans community than to a "nerd".
Whilst I choose not to be in public, I envy those who do and being noticed, as for me being average, I never get complements, complaints or comments.
For all people being happy with oneself is the most major hurdle and where we should concentrate our energy.
Amanda, life is tough and at the same time soooo wonderful. Enjoy the great moments and still share those times when we need support or sharing.


Cheers Sue.
Treat life's difficult times as if they are normal moments, this makes the normal and special ones even more fantastic.
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AmandaDanielle

Quote from: EmilyMK03 on July 26, 2016, 01:12:26 AM
If someone said to me "you're a man... aren't you?"  I would respond by saying "you're a rude a--hole, aren't you?"  And then I would get up and leave.

If, on the other hand, someone said to me "you're transgender... aren't you?"  Then, depending on the tone in which they asked, I would admit that I am, and answer some questions they may have.

I have passing privilege too, and my name has been legally changed too, but if someone asks me if I'm trans, I'm not going to deny it.  I'm proud of who I am.  Yes, I identify as a woman, but I also identify as a transgender woman.  And as long as I'm treated with respect and as a woman, then I am happy to educate cis people on what it means to be transgender, as long as their intentions are sincere.

I really like your response!! This is exactly where i am. I am no man, but i am transgender. Thank you sweetie!!
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Amanda_Combs

I'm really sorry to hear of that lady's rudeness, you did not deserve that and it exposes tons of her ignorance. 

Given the nature of this conversation, I have a question that maybe someone here could answer for me.

I usually present male, and keep my gender identity in a box, down in a 15foot deep hole, so in all social appearances, I'm just some guy.  I will occasionally see a trans girl in public.  I've never spoken to another trans person, But I always want to.  So to those who do live in your true gender, is there any advice you can give me to prevent me from being some weird stranger asking hurtful personal questions?  Thank you all very much for any input you may have.
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